Corruption in cricket

Originally posted by sam_ahmed Good Point on Aamer and Mendis Amal, but no point in explaining to Raj, acoording to him no pakistani can ever be a good cricketer!   Anyways, rumours are that the veridict may be postponed until after the CPS investications / case. (how long could it possibly take? 1 year or very long 5-6 years???)   This is now getting interesting.

No point explaining to you either. Still I have to make my points clear because there are lot of other forum members here.

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 05 February 2011 at 12:15pm

10 years for Butt, 7 for Asif with 2 of those suspended, 5 years for Amir.

We are now awaiting the reasoning behind these verdicts.

Any idea about the difference between bans and suspensions?

Looks like Butt has got 5 years suspended out of his 10, so nowhere near as bad as it first looked if that is indeed the case.

Disgusted. White wash, call it what you will. Knew the icc would get it wrong. Lets hope they all get sent down because serious cheating is only worth five years, So the lesson for young cricketers is to cheat very early on in your careers and {if} caught you can come back latter and make up your money the hard way.       

Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84 Originally posted by sam_ahmed Good Point on Aamer and Mendis Amal, but no point in explaining to Raj, acoording to him no pakistani can ever be a good cricketer!   Anyways, rumours are that the veridict may be postponed until after the CPS investications / case. (how long could it possibly take? 1 year or very long 5-6 years???)   This is now getting interesting. No point explaining to you either. Still I have to make my points clear because there are lot of other forum members here.   I never said that Aamer is bad cricketer, I said he was good cricketer. The way you guys are making it as if he was some super exceptional talent that world has seen in ages.You guys keep saying that it is a big loss. I said he is good bowler, that's it nothing more than that, he was miles away being one of the best bowler as of now.   Look what happened to Umer Akmal , you guys made him Legend.He is still a good player. I am sure he will come good , he will have his good run of years, similarly he will have bad run just like other batsmans.   God forbid, but if Umer Akmal would have been involved and barred from playing (just like the three), then you would have told the same thing about Umer Akmal now.

What you about Raj? Please tell me who called Umar Akmal a legend? Think you should read your signature before speaking of players being overrated. Anyways I agree about Aamer we cant say that with him Pakistan would have been favourites.

About the verdict, good to see the punishments. Hope Butt and Asif atleast dont wear the green again..

Edited by abubakar52 - 05 February 2011 at 7:58pm

Originally posted by Clobber I have to say that now we know they are guilty, I am disappointed that they haven't been given life bans. None of the three of them should ever be allowed near the sport again, and the thought of seeing them in international cricket in the future sticks in the craw. I also have to say that I absolutely do not, and never have, bought into the whole "poor Amir, he's only young, he's illiterate, he's unwordly" crap that I have seen peddled. Exactly the same was said about Asif when he was caught taking performance enhancing drugs, and instead showing any hint of remorse, he's just lurched from one scandal to the next. In a decent world, the PCB would ensure none of them were ever selected again even after the bans pass, but sadly we all know the reality.

Let us respect the judgement atleast? Thankfully it doesn't matter what you all think, if the world can accept Gibbs and Warne back after they have properly served the punishment then they should accept Aamer back too. As simple as that.  

Edited by sam_ahmed - 06 February 2011 at 9:40am

Sam is already started counting end of ban date, "4.5 years". Is it 5 years from now or from June '10. I don't think it matters , unless there is a real dearth of any good bowling options in PAK (which is a rare case). After the ban period , he might have to prove himself first,his commitment domestic circuit. Easily it might take 6 years from now.

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 06 February 2011 at 11:16am

Originally posted by flipper Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84  Hope he realises his mistakes and comes back as a reformed individual. I for one would never want to see this Low life cheating scumbag in international cricket again. He is an utter disgrace to his nation, its population, his family and every cricket loving fan around the world. I suppose it all comes down to a question of standards and honour, personally I set mine rather high, and cheating for me is the lowest of the low.

Yes flipper, I do share the same sentiment.It is unimaginable to cheat a nation.

I'm with Clobber and Flipper here , the ICC has gone soft.  Giving suspended sentences to Butt and Asif sends out the wrong message - how can they transgress in the next 5 years if they're not allowed to play ?    I suppose I'll have to find some consolation in that they were found guilty , but if they hadn't been then the ICC's already tarnished image would have been sunk without a trace.
                   There's the possibility of an appeal - one of their lawyers said as much. If that's correct and they're hardfaced enough to carry it through I think the suspended sentences should be lifted and tagged onto the exisitng 5 years ! If Aamer appeals I'd double his sentence as well!
                    I also suspect that they might not feel too thrilled about returning to England to stand trial even though they all promised to do so - we'll soon discover exactly what type of people we're dealing with here.

I fully understand how tough this must be for you as a Pakistani cricket fan mate , there must be a mixture of anger and sadness.  If there is to be an appeal it looks like it'll be against the sentence. If that's to be reduced them I expect they'd have to admit guilt and that hasn't been forthcoming.
                For credibility within the cricket establishment it's vital now that the PCB respect the verdict and alienate themselves from these players. Any show of support would not be taken very well and their standing would be more diminished than it already is.

Glad to hear the PCB have taken that decision , they had to get one right sometime !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL_w-7F__QA

Sorry folks as it is only for the friends who can understand Urdu or Hindi - its Amir's interview after the verdict.

I'm satisfied with the judgement. Yeah Spinny if a criminal has the right to live a normal life after finishing his imprisonment so, why can't Amir play cricket again? Bcz cricket is his normal life. It was his first mistake and he was caught(thanks God)and now he has to bear a 5 years of ban and i think its enough punishment for him as a Human. I hope that he will learn a good lesson from it. But i don't want to see Salman and Asif in cricket. We have already given much chances to Asif, enough is enough now. We can go forward without him and Salman was the ringleader in all this mess thats why i don't want to see him.
Whatever but Iam feeling Amir's pain. I was watching his interview on a T.V. channel and he was like a boy lamenting about his mistakes. I am young and i can feel that when you have to go through all this mess in such a young age its like a continuous mental torture which he has to go through for 5 years.
For 1 thing i will never forgive Amir and that he hurt his parents. I watched his mother's interview on tv and she was continuously weeping.