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zuhair_abbasi 
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 Topic: Corruption in cricketPosted: 08 February 2011 at 7:09am |
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I wanted to see the detailed verdict - it would have been in the best public interest.
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flipper
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Posted: 08 February 2011 at 11:25am |
I am in the same boat spin wizard and believe in second chances. But not in this case. If someone shows genuine remorse for what they have done wrong, then fair enough. These three individuals have demonstrated no remorse for their actions what so ever and have tried to lie their way out. These are not the actions of honourable men they are the actions of cowards and should be treated as such. |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 09 February 2011 at 3:27am |
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Yes flipper is right.They still are trying to lie their way out and lessen the penalty.In all likelyhood it clearly looks like they did cheat. As I said , it would have been probably less penalty had they accepted the truth earlier.Atleast now just accept the truth , follow the procedure and come out clean.
In the fag end of the video he says "The pain goes away a little with this kind of feeling around you. Whenever one starts a business, there are losses and successes. This is the way, when I started my career I had successes. Now this is a bad patch, but you don't wind up the business."
I must say he is either surrounded or guided by morons on what to speak and what not to speak.Who are those lawyers? How they did not guide him not to wear t-shirt with such a slogan earlier and now this , a bussiness model. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 09 February 2011 at 3:43am |
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Sledger
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Posted: 09 February 2011 at 6:22am |
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There hasn't been any remorse , as flipper has pointed out and no admission of guilt either! In rugby union , if you appeal against a suspension and the appeal fails , they lengthen the suspension ! That is a sound system to me , if individuals want to clog up the system with unjustified appeals then their must be some penalty for the time and money wasted. Personally I'd make the guilty man pay all the expenses for the 2nd hearing as well as lengthening his ban !
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Sledger
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Posted: 09 February 2011 at 7:55am |
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Cricinfo reveal that Asif was asked numerous times to talk the ICC's anticorruption body and he refused , even going against the advice of his lawyer. Apparently the lack of remorse shown by any of the three during the investigation and at the verdict was not appreciated. Anyone feel sorry for them now ?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 09 February 2011 at 12:12pm |
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No one certainly feels sorry for them, they have done wrong. And Sledger is right, if you appeal and still found guilty, lengthen the ban, I fully agree with that and that's how I know things are done, not sure if that applies to all legal appeals though.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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flipper
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Posted: 09 February 2011 at 4:30pm |
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Former Pakistan cricket captain Salman Butt has been signed up to work as an expert analyst at the World Cup for Pakistan's Channel 5 television station. What a star man he is and an example to all children watching the coverage.
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Clobber
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Posted: 09 February 2011 at 9:01pm |
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IMPORTANT
The ICC has made the judgement available to read on its website, but this information is not available to readers in England in Wales, because of the ongoing legal case. As a result, anyone who has had the opportunity to read the document MUST NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES discuss it in any way, shape or form anywhere on these forums until such time as those running Cricketworld deem it is appropriate for discussion. Thank you for your cooperation in this. |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 3:05am |
'Lack of remorse' swung verdict against players.
Anyway nothing much left to discuss either.
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Sledger
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 4:49am |
This really got to me !! Within days of being found guilty of spot fixing a TV company gives him a job - that shouldn't happen and gives some indication of what this particular TV station thinks about corruption in cricket ! If I lived in Pakistan that TV station would never see light of day again in my household ! |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 6:53am |
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I do not know any Channel 5 in Pakistan - but if there is any it is certainly not watched at all. And the World Cup will only be shown on one TV channel which is not Channel 5.
Edited by zuhair_abbasi - 10 February 2011 at 9:32am |
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 9:45am |
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Just echoing Clobber's very sensible analysis here. No discussion of the information, thanks.
IMPORTANT The ICC has made the judgement available to read on its website, but this information is not available to readers in England in Wales, because of the ongoing legal case. As a result, anyone who has had the opportunity to read the document MUST NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES discuss it in any way, shape or form anywhere on these forums. Thank you for your cooperation in this. |
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flipper
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 9:53am |
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Prison Planet, I now know how the Chinese feel!! |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:13am |
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I seriously don't get this though. Cricinfo has run an article on the verdict then why is it that CW cannot?
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:35am |
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Zuhair - we are legally prevented from even accessing the verdict in the UK. I'm quite prepared to play it safe and ask that we don't discuss or publish the verdict until told it's ok to do so.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:52am |
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I hear that. But all of us here in this part of the world have read it. And a friend of mine in UK told me that he was also able to access it by using some proxy. Anyways, I respect your stance and will refrain from discussing it here.
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flipper
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 12:57pm |
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So what to do? Do I drive up to Scotland or email relatives in Canada and South Africa?
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 1:26pm |
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Just don't discuss your findings on this forum.
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flipper
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 2:32pm |
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flipper
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Posted: 10 February 2011 at 4:05pm |
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So I guess we can talk about Butt's world cup media job.
When cricket is still reeling from his behaviour, and with the results of his actions likely to affect the sport for years to come, there is no way cricket fans nor his fellow players should have to endure the sight of him sat in a comfortable commentary box with a microphone in his hand so soon after his conviction.
Butt's appointment is the equivalent of Ben Johnson - the infamous 100m drug cheat from the 1988 Seoul Olympics - being allowed to light the Olympic torch four years later The history of sport is littered with cheats and will always be so. The difference being that other cheats are not then allowed to immediately gain from their notoriety.  |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 11 February 2011 at 5:24am |
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Hey first of all he has not got a commentary job. Channel 5 is hardly known in Pakistan and he has only got a late night show of post match discussion as an expert - surely this is a cheap stint by the little known channel to get known and now for sure they have succeeded in that as now every other person is asking what is Channel 5.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 12 February 2011 at 5:36pm |
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I agree with you guys here, that TV station is got to be a joke, to hire someone who just got convicted.
I rated Dean Jones as a commentator but he was rightly fired for that joking comment he made off the microphone but was heard through the microphone about Hashin Amla. Nevermind if it was a joke, that's not one for the Muslim publicly especially to hear. Seriously, I could have seen the joke in it but it was a foolish comment when exposed to the amount of people it was exposed to.
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Sledger
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Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:32am |
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The ICC have officially objected to Butt's appointment as TV pundit for Channel 5 . Lorgat has written to QC Michael Beloff asking if he's breaching the terms of his sentence. If the answer to that question is in the affirmative and Butt goes ahead with the job, his ban from the game will be the full 10 years.
Well done ICC , you're showing some teeth at last - the little baby is turning into a toddler ! |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 17 February 2011 at 6:32am |
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Wasn't it supposed to mean not taking part in any cricketing activities that are recognized by the ICC or something like that. A channel that is not even ranked in the top 50, where he will just be giving his views as an expert certainly does not violate any of the ICC judgement methinks. As much as I now dislike Butt, I don't think ICC should jump into it.
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Sledger
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Posted: 17 February 2011 at 8:07am |
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Sorry mate , I can't agree. Butt shouldn't be able to make money from cricket , period. Okay he's not playing , but the sport is bringing him money via a TV studio and that means he's still benefitting financially. They must be a Mickey Mouse channel because no self respecting broadcaster would touch him with a bargepole.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 17 February 2011 at 12:39pm |
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Sledger, I'll take a different view here. Cricket was Butt's main source of income, now he isn't playing, why should he be denied another source that has nothing to do directly with the association of playing the game with others who he might be able to influence? I agree with Zuhair here, if the TV wants to hire him, so be it, it might be a boost to them or some people might think otherwise about them.
Didn't the verdict say that they aren't suppose to take part in playing of any sanctioned Cricket? Can't remember that applying to being on TV. While I do think the TV station has got to be out of their mind to hire someone that came out of a scandal, it's still their decision.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 17 February 2011 at 4:46pm |
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Absolutely, agree with spinny, despite the fact that these players deserve to be punished, we cannot treat them like out casts, even they have a family to look after.
The ICC's decision to investigate into the matter and Lorgat being "angry" at the development is quite pathetic.
Mohammed Azharuddin who was banned for a far more serious offence (allegedly) has given several expert interviews on leading news channels, is now an MLA and a member of parliament. The fact that people have elected him that too by a huge margin goes to show that all that match fixing episode is forgotten and people remember him for all the good work he has done for Indian cricket.
These three are punished, heavily punished, and that is sufficient. Let them breathe now. Edited by sam_ahmed - 17 February 2011 at 5:02pm |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:29pm |
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I'll compare it to a thief. If I thief from Sam, I got caught, got put away for a couple years and come back out and Zuhair decided to let me hang around his house, aren't Zuhair doing it at his own peril? Sam wouldn't let me around his house for sure.
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Sledger
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Posted: 18 February 2011 at 5:40am |
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Sam , they had a choice , enjoy the success that playing international cricket brings and be the envy of every cricket loving fan. For them , that wasn't enough and sheer greed and lack of morality turned them crooked. Good riddance to bad rubbish , I feel no sympathy whatsoever for all three - they and their like (because I believe there are plenty more out there) are a cancer on the sport.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 18 February 2011 at 6:30am |
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They certainly are Sledge and I do not feel any sympathy towards them either now. But the TV thing, to me is certainly just over-hyped. Had he been given a show on the channel that is actually showing the WC - I would have been concerned for sure but this Channel 5 as I said earlier, is a nobody.
They have got the punishment for whatever they did - they wont near the sport - they cant even play cricket form registered clubs - all what they can do is play with street kids and all - that serves them right - but going for alternate options is pretty much their right I think, no matter what there past is. |
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