Corruption in cricket

It's futile to look to much in the past - I suppose a limitation period of 5 years is reasonable. Anything longer than that and it's really going to get messy with allt he forensic accounting and tracing that would need to take place to find where any money has gone.

NO Guyz, I'm not defending Kamran or anyone and I'm not saying this just because they are Pakistani's, any player from any team I would have supported them unless they are proven guilty. The reason why I believe Kamran is innocent - I don't know but whenever I have heard Kamran speak he just looked innocent to me, he is very humble in his statements and comes across as a nice man. I could be wrong but then, he was cleared by the ACSU, I understand Majeed took his name in court but we already know this, he took his name even when the spot fixing scandal broke out, both his and Wahab's name he took back then as well.

Money is a powerful thing, it can get the better of the strongest willed of men. You can be a nice and humble man and still fall into its enticing web. By contrast, a serial killer who bludgeons, decapitates and rapes several innocent young females is not a nice man simply because his very actions contradict our definition of "nice". It is not right to cast aspersions onto anyone without reasonable evidence and so saying that you believe Kamran is innocent on account of him appearing "nice" is perfectly acceptable whereas Ted Bundy had a huge body of evidence stacked against his supposed "nice" nature. When evidence is presented to the contrary then we can reconsider but in the absence of sufficient detail and accuracy in the pertinent accusations, Kamran is innocent. 

Edited by BackwardPoint - 19 November 2011 at 8:27am

Sam, you really love these guys.  I don't think anyone else will be paying attention to any of that.

Yup Sledge, they won't be playing for sure. I think Asif's appeal will be more of leniency rather than of claiming innocence, may be he'll say that he has already suffered enough and should be allowed to play so that he can look after his family.

Just because some dangerous criminals aren't caught, that doesn't mean we shouldn't prosecute others on lesser grounds. If anyone else committed fraud, people would be calling for their heads. Only because they are Pakistani cricketers, we are asking for leniency. 

No one is saying they should not be punished, but sometimes it's hard to digest how some people manage to get away with doing worse things, I think that's all Sam is trying to say.

spinny - the way sam phrased it made me think he was trying to somehow downplay the significance of their actions by highlighting far more heinous crimes committed elsewhere.

mystery - I should have phrased it better. Their talent is of course one reason for leniency but do you think there would be such loyal support behind these guys had they been playing for Zimbabwe? The Pakistani cricket team has a loyal following and it is a major cricketing nation. It would be foolish to think that an equally talented Zimbabwean fraudster would receive such vehement and widespread calls for leniency, simply because the status of the two teams is different and so is the number and passion of the supporters.

Originally posted by BackwardPoint spinny - the way sam phrased it made me think he was trying to somehow downplay the significance of their actions by highlighting far more heinous crimes committed elsewhere. mystery - I should have phrased it better. Their talent is of course one reason for leniency but do you think there would be such loyal support behind these guys had they been playing for Zimbabwe? The Pakistani cricket team has a loyal following and it is a major cricketing nation. It would be foolish to think that an equally talented Zimbabwean fraudster would receive such vehement and widespread calls for leniency, simply because the status of the two teams is different and so is the number and passion of the supporters.

Yes BP correct sorry i got it wrong now i agree with you otherwise as you said if it was from Zim it would not be a big thing and Sam you would have been more sympathetic had it been a Zimbabwean but everyone is not like you mate.

His real test starts just now - he still has 4 more years of serving the ban on cricket - lest see if he has the strength to come back strongly

No court should ever entertain such appeal against a ban.  Let him take his punishment!!  Do the crime, do the time!

But, being a cricketer, it will be extremely hard for Amir, not being able to play in sanctioned games.  That will hurt a lot!

Players need to think they are passionate about cricket or not? they are in international format after lot of hard work.. that should not end with a bad name

I saw Kaneria interviewed and he maintains he's done nothing wrong and is talking to his lawyer.   The police didn't go through with a prosecution believing there was insufficient evidence , but that didn't deter the ECB.   The evidence given at the hearing strongly suggested that Kaneria was a leading figure in recruiting players to underperform , which led to the lifetime ban.

            Salman Butt might be free , but he can't set foot in the UK for 10 years. The release of non-UK nationals on early parole means immediate deportation.

Good grief zuhair , dodgy goings on from an early age!

The case of Danish shows the ignorance on the part of most pakistani cricketers which is why I feel there is a much greater need of proper education and the consequences of wrong doing in Pakistan cricket, I think the attitude of the players is like, I can do anything wrong and as long as I don't get caught it is not wrong and even if I get caught, I'll get away with it.