England in India (2011)

Another stroll in the park for the Indians and because there was so much quality sport on the TV , I didn't watch any of this match!  No surprise with the result and I can't possibly see how they'll prevent the whitewash tomorrow - India haven't needed top gear at any point in this series.    And all that without Sehwag , Tendulkar , Yuvrah and Zaheer Khan - a hiding by their B side !

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 25 October 2011 at 5:12am

India will do far better in Australia than they did in SA and ENG.  Adelaide, MCG, Hobart, Sydney are grounds that won't trouble India compare to what they faced in ENG and SA.  Aussies best bet is always in Brisbane early up.  Perth is only deadly when the swing kicks in these days.  Not sure which grounds they'll be on but I wouldn't be surprised if Australia lose.  Seriously, they need other people scoring other than Watson and Hussey.

I think the conclusion is, somewhat contrary to what Raj is saying, that England are virtually unbeatable at home - no matter the opposition. Abroad, especially in the subcontinent, they are mere mortals.

India was atrocious in England, and exposed only further because of England's excellent home record in the last 5 years - which includes beating Australia both times in the two Ashes series, no mean feat at all.

It was a typical Kolkata track but I'm sure had India been chasing they'd have still won it because they play spin so well and ENG just do not have a clue. Jadeja getting wickets every game and today even Manoj Tiwari was made to look like Shane Warne 

They are sitting ducks against Spin, Raj. All you need is Ravinder Jadeja to beat them.

Originally posted by spin wizard India will do far better in Australia than they did in SA and ENG.  Adelaide, MCG, Hobart, Sydney are grounds that won't trouble India compare to what they faced in ENG and SA.  Aussies best bet is always in Brisbane early up.  Perth is only deadly when the swing kicks in these days.  Not sure which grounds they'll be on but I wouldn't be surprised if Australia lose.  Seriously, they need other people scoring other than Watson and Hussey.

Not really spinney, there is no major improvements on their long injury list of test squad.Can't expect players to come out of injury and start hitting top form.Infact they will be succeptable to injury. India will be lucky if they don't pick any new injuries by the end of WI tour. Thats my main worry.

Yes he is a batting allrounder or rather just a batsman who can bowl few overs... thats it. He is picked in the side to bowl 6-8 overs.

Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84 Even if it becomes 5-0 today , its hardly any consolation for the Test debacle  (but it ok, slip up once ina  while is acceptable, India has played so well all these years), this series is of hardly of any importance to anyone, but then 5-0 is better than 4-1. Aus tour is very very important and Indian must be concentrating on that with high priority.   Aussie will add Cummins and maybe Pattison to their lineup. They have got kind of settled after transition period. Any slip up by India we might see another whitewash scoreline similar to English summer  .   Hope all those injuries stay away from India during down under tour.

4/0 is acceptable?? really nice joke now i can also say the same thing about Australia ( look guys its ok if Australia are not dominating world cricket they have already done it for around 20years so few years been just good team is fine right? Finally i agree with you on something.

Craig Keiswetter showed his South African heritage last night with his totally clueless approach to playing Jadeja. That he was in and playing the seamers well makes his awfulness even worse.   Of course he wasn't alone and the way they lost their way was on a par with an under 11 side.   Dhoni was superb and showed just how to construct a one day innings. The English press has been critical of the county scene for some time now and rightly so - just how can players learn how to play 50 over cricket if their only exposure to it is in internationals ?   It's time that the 40 overs Sunday league is scrapped and replaced with a 50 over competition - maybe then they'll get a feel for the rhythm of the format.
                That'd be a start anyway - then they need a batting coach who was a master of spin to teach 'em that spinners aren't unplayable !   

Edited by Sledger - 26 October 2011 at 6:16am

Andy Flower could play spin very well Sledge. 

Originally posted by Mikey And also a big at England gifting Jadeja 4 wickets. Harbhajan might not get a run for a while.

Spot on Mikey, England have the habit of gifting wickets. For instance looks at Steven Smith's record who I believe will be a eternal novice spinner ( IF he does not improve from what he has shown so far). He has played in 29 ODI's and has 22 wickets to his name, look closely and filter against England you will see that England gifted 15 wickets to him in 10 matches. That means in remaining 19 matches Steven Smith got ( I mean was gifted) only  7 wickets.

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi Andy Flower could play spin very well Sledge.

Indeed he did mate , so that probably makes their ineptitude so much harder for him to take.   He'll make some tough decisions after this shambles and some players will be discarded and they'll probably never make it back.  I think Bopara and Patel will be two and maybe Dernbach as well . I expect some youngsters to get a go and you'll see some sent to the subcontinent for some serious coaching in the very near future.
             The world cup is a long way off , but with a ranking of 5th , so are England. It'll be a real test of Flower's undoubted coaching skills to get them into contention for the next WC.

Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84 Originally posted by Mikey And also a big at England gifting Jadeja 4 wickets. Harbhajan might not get a run for a while.   I assume Jadeja is a better spinner , atleast he has got wickets against all teams with acceptable scatter.

Against better teams Jadeja will be gone just like Nohit Sharma dont worry.


Edited by mystery - 28 October 2011 at 12:55am

He was lucky he got injured otherwise retire would have been a only option left for him after England's tour. Even Amit Mishra is a better batsman than Nohit  and i hope he gets a chance against Australia so they can get a easy wicket.