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    Posted: 18 November 2012 at 6:35am
It's a definite technical deficiency. He needs to work on it, adjust and fix it. Even if it's partly mental, doesn't mean he shouldn't work hard to mend the issue. Perhaps dropping him is far-fetched, but if he gets out twice to left arm spin in the next match, then the question will have to be put to the selectors. Yes, he is a class act and I enjoy his cricket when he's in full flow, but there's a problem.
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Originally posted by Mikey

Pietersen shouldn't be allowed to play test cricket until he figures out how to play Left Arm Orthodox spin. He clearly has a black spot or technical glitch play this style of bowler, heck even Michael Clarke would get him out. Would actually consider dropping him for the next test.
Don't write him off so soon, yes Indian left are spinners had found a chunk in his batting w.r.t left arm spin which later all other teams have targeted and it has become more of a mental block than a technical one, but  KP is a class act, he might come back and score a scintillating double in the very next match at Mumbai. He will soon find it out, I just hope it is not against us.He is too good a player to never figure it out.
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Pietersen shouldn't be allowed to play test cricket until he figures out how to play Left Arm Orthodox spin. He clearly has a black spot or technical glitch play this style of bowler, heck even Michael Clarke would get him out. Would actually consider dropping him for the next test.
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Wow was about to write 123 for no loss and England started good without losing a wicket , but Zaheer got Compton Smile.
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England 111/0 in second innings and looking good now. Indian bowlers did a great job in to enforce follow-on on this pitch, this pitch never had any devils in it, it was just slow and low and batsman needed to apply themselves for first 10-15 minutes. Cook and Compton just showed it in second innings.
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What a knock by Pujara, I have been shouting at the top of my voice all the while, we needed the young blood long back in the places now occupied by Kohli and Pujara in tests, anyway let bygones are bygones. Just goes to show that my faith on future was absolutely true Thumbs Up.

By the way I am expecting a big one by Sachin soon in next few matches Smile, maybe the elusive 300 mark.

One other great achievement went almost unnoticed. Ashwin gets to 50 wickets in just 9 matches, just to give a comparison , in last 30 years only Philander has bettered that record while McGill is on par with Ashwin's record. Some achievement that.

Back to the match, England are 41/3 and looks like in some trouble now, but beware KP is still out there and he can be real handful, he has got everything to turn the match on its head.

At this stage India slightly ahead, but one good partnership will take England to safety.This match is far from over in my opinion.
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superb double hundred for Pujara, he is such a fantastic talent that man, ENG have an uphill task and the current pair of Cook and Pietersen is the main hope for England. A wicket early tomorrow and we could be seeing an early finish to this match, may be sometime on day 4 session 1 or 2.
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Eng 41/3, 300+ runs to avoid the follow on.  India are out for revenge against India, they're not going to prepare pitches to suit England.  England is going to find it extremely hard to beat India in any of these test matches.
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I don't agree that ENG will get rolled over that easily, I think both teams have an equally good chance of winning the series, India obviously have a slight edge, the good thing for India is that they've got Pujara and Kohli in the side who are the future of this test team, had they still be playing with Dravid and VVS may be ENG would have been favts to win this series.

As for this test match, just the end of Day 1 but I think ENG should only look for a draw from here, Cook and KP will be the key for ENG and they'll need good support from Trott, Bell, Patel and Prior. ENG bat very deep so they will have a chance to frustrate India.
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If India gets Pieterson cheaply, then i dont think England will cross 200. Ashwin and Ohja are not Ajmal but they are still good enough to trouble the english Batsmen.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

Chances of England beating India are as good as me playing for the West Indies.
Then you might be closer to debut than you think ... yes India are favourites , but only just.
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I totally disagree with both Kahmad and Spinny yes no doubt India have scored 300 for just 4 wicket loss yet the Pitch if England play properly can easily make 400 in their 1st innings too and with a deep lineup like they have its not too difficult atleast with Indian bowling lineup. Ashwin or Ojha are not Ajmal.
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Chances of England beating India are as good as me playing for the West Indies.
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I think it will be a clean sweep for India. India has already enough score to bowl out England twice.
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Indian batsman's average in 2012 , Kohli 62.62, second best is Dhoni with 52.10, none of the other batsman have had any decent year and are way below their personal mark, that's nothing but a terrible bad form ... Ashwin who is averages about 43 despite being a bowler is third, just goes to show that slump in Indian batting. 

Pujara averages 72, but he has played only 2 matches , so we can't consider that. 

Another thing that is repeated time and again in media by some experts makes me laugh at them .... George Dobell says "Both have declined sharply since respectively attaining the No. 1 Test ranking" , well India stayed at top close to 2 years and then lost a series and the ranking immediately, that can't be compared with England, yes England fought but just kept losing after they attained that position.There is another series called 2 chucks ... supposed to be funny, but too much of sarcasm makes one sick ( but well anyway , one of them is a clown  who keeps making fun of others ... that why its funny ) they too were saying the same when ENG lost the series to SA. Completely misinformed.


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I feel England have a strong chance to win it as Indian batting is really weak if they get early wickets Indian would be in big trouble i would go opposite of Sam with 1/0 England.
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should be an interesting series, both teams have got heavy batting line ups but bowling remains a worry, I will expect some drawn games here, it's proper winter season so won't expect the heat to be any sort of a problem for the English, in fact they will very much like these conditions.

should be a very close battle this, I'd probably go for a 1-0 win in favor of India, I can very easily be wrong though.
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By the way , Yuvraj should rock this series and cement his place in the Test side.
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England lost 4 matches in their sub-continent tour of UAE & SL earlier this year. Just look at the three of the four losses, I don't see any problem there.

Pakistan Won by 10 wickets
Pakistan Won by 72 runs
Pakistan Won by 71 runs
SL Won by 75 runs

I really don't understand why media has made such a big issue that England can't play spin.England did well, but could not cross the line and losing by such slender margins shouldn't be a cause of any worries.

I think the series will be closely fought,I would not be surprised if I see a drawn series. Last thing India should do is to underestimate them, if they do they might lose the series. India must understand that they have been good even in spinning conditions, I really don't know how experts are got it all wrong.

I will go with India 51% and Eng 49%... will be a very closely fought series.
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Dravid backs Dhoni as Test captain - http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/590920.html ... rightly so, a sensible guy like him knows the stats inside out.

I really don't understand how this topic keeps coming up regarding the Indian Captaincy, MS Dhoni is India's most successful Indian captain by any stretch of imagination in any format.

Well even by stats, just to show how ahead he has been against the second best, here are the statistics.

In Tests - MSD and Ganguly ( Ganguly has the second best for Indian Test Captain)
MSD as Captain in 39 matches, win 19, loss 10, drawn 10 
Win % - 48.71%
Loss % - 25.64%
Drawn % - 25.64%

Ganguly as Captian in 49 matches, win 21, loss 13, drawn 15
Win % - 42.85%
Loss % - 26.53%
Drawn % - 30.61%

In ODI - MSD and Dravid ( Dravid has the second best ODI record for Indian Captain)
MSD as Captain in 127 matches, win 73, loss 43, tied 3, no result 8  

Win % - 62.60%

Dravid as Captian in  79 matches, win 42, loss 33, tied 0, no result 4
Win % - 56.00 %

In ODIs we have slightly complex calculation ( as per wiki)
Win% = (matches won+0.5*matches tied)/(matches played-matches abandoned/no result)
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