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Topic: England in India (2012)Posted: 22 November 2012 at 12:16pm |
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Agreed Raj , India had the worst of the bad decisons - but TWELVE bad decisons in a single test is appalling ! Tony Hill simply isn't good enough , but there just doesn't seem to be anyone out there to take his place. Simon Taufel has got some job on to get international umpiring up to scratch - there's far too many poor ones on the so called elite panel.
You have to feel for Samit Patel - his 1st test and he gets two shockers before he's got started. If he's dropped tomorrow then Hill should apologise! |
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Posted: 22 November 2012 at 6:13pm |
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Very harsh indeed on Samit but I think he will be given another go because lately Samit has looked to be in fabulous form, I think England should stick with him, esp now that Bell is unavailable.
I don't know if England will consider playing Monty tomorrow, but I think they should play him in place of Anderson, Broad, I believe will do better than Jimmy in India, ENG though will still miss Steve Finn very badly. If ENG are to turn this around they have to win the toss (something not in their hands) and they will have to do something very very special against spin and Swann and Monty will have to bowl very very well to get India out, and even all that may not be enough!
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Posted: 22 November 2012 at 7:19pm |
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It mainly depends on the toss if India bat first its all over for England just like last game. So really hope England win the toss and Sam Monty will surely play.
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Posted: 23 November 2012 at 5:10pm |
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another century for Cheteshwar Pujara, no wonder this lad was talked about so much before he entered the side, what a performer he has been!!!
ENG had India on the mat at 125/5 and then 169/6, they have allowed things to slip away though. Ashwin and Pujara got a good partnership going and ENG could well be looking at a difficult score now.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 24 November 2012 at 8:16am |
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Visitors 65 for no loss after 30 overs, where all the talk about unfair to have turners. It is simple , play well and win, play worse and lose, as simple as that.
Great batting by Cook and Compton
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Posted: 24 November 2012 at 8:20am |
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While India was 169 for 6, when Pujara was ably supported by Ashwin to pull the score to 280. Just goes to show that more than this turner, green top pitches discussion it is the players who should adapt to any condition and win the game.
EDIT: Wow 66 for 1 as I wrote, but Trott,KP,Prior are all capable batsman, while Samit is know to be a good player of spin.Very interesting now that Indians got a breakthrough .Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 24 November 2012 at 8:23am |
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Posted: 24 November 2012 at 9:21am |
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KP has started positively , 18 of 18 balls, more than that he looks assured at the crease when compared to first test. Why not bring Yuvi at other end, coz KP's 1 hour of this positive batting could do serious damage.
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Posted: 24 November 2012 at 10:37am |
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Cook and KP have played brilliantly so far, India will be in toruble if this partnership is not broken soon, at 165/2 ENG have surprised everyone!!!
There is plenty of turn and bounce out there, ENG quite simply have played well, really well!!!
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Posted: 24 November 2012 at 11:43am |
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England 178 for 2 at stumps, Cook and KP looking in great touch in reply to India's 327 all out. So trail by only 149 with 8 wickets in hand, in spite of losing the toss. More often than not, your fate is in your own hands, no doubt toss,conditions and various other factors do matter (and there is nothing wrong in saying that toss was crucial when it actually is), but when you play great cricket you don't lose, that is what Cook and KP did . Had these two not played like this (and if England had crumbled) I am damn sure that this pitch would have been made to be some kind of snake pit,dust bowl or whatever nonsense that anti spin propaganda bandwagon of experts blabber about.
What I hate is, squarely putting the blame on turners when a team cannot play or can't show lack of application on challenging tracks. Back to game, England are 60 to 40 ahead in the test.
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 4:47am |
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Cook and KP get tons , good batting that. Still no Yuvi
. Cook and KP look good for a big big one here .
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 8:49am |
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ENG have lost out on an opportunity to get a big lead here, 86 is good but considering how vulnerable England are chasing on such tracks in the 4th innings, anything over 100 and India will feel they have a chance. ENG should have got a lead of around 120-140.
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 11:15am |
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India tottering at 117 for 7 with just 31 runs lead.Fantastic effort by England.
This is what MSD said, good to have pitches that stay true right from the start of the match, evens out lot of things and whoever plays well, takes risk comes on top of the game, which England just did here. Bring on similar pitches in Kolkata and Nagpur
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 11:20am |
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For India to have any sort of chance Gambhir should get a big one, while Bhajji has to pull out his 3rd century.
Gambhir was troubled , but he looks good for a fighting knock tomorow.
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 11:23am |
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amazing stuff from Panesar and Swann, esp Panesar, why on earth did he not play at Ahmedabad???
ENG spinners have done better than India's, ENG's batsmen have done better than India's, if ENG don't win this from here, they'll never win anything in India. It cannot get easier than this for the English. as for MSD, I doubt if he will say anything about pitches again, may be sometimes it's good to just allow the curators to do their job and not instruct them too much!!! In search of home advantage IND perhaps had seriously underestimated Panesar and Swann!!!
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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 7:27am |
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Who'd have thought of a 10 wicket win and a 10 wicket win by England - certainly not me ! After a really poor year's cricket , they've finally shown why they were number 1 last year. KP's innings was out of this world - definitely the best I've seen any Englishman play in Asia. Monty Panesar's 11 wickets were fully deserved - he was far and away the best bowler on show in Mumbai. Getting Tendulkar twice with excellent deliveries gave the whole side a lift , especially as he fell cheaply on both occasions. Cook's ton was in sharp contrast to that of KP's .but just as important and allowed KP to free his arms. I think this win will give England the self-belief that's been missing for some time and they just might go on and win this series now.
One thing's for sure - Monty will be playing in the last 2 tests ! Edited by Sledger - 26 November 2012 at 7:32am |
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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 8:37am |
Great that series is locked at 1-1 now, but now going to next two matches I guess India will outplay England in next two matches,now that they are hurt big time. Get the feeling that all good innings by Cook and KP is over for rest of the series, just hope Trott does not raise to the ocassion.
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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 7:55pm |
India could fix this quite quickly and bring in DRS but for some reason they don't. Only got themselves to blame really. |
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Posted: 28 November 2012 at 6:29am |
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England is blessed to have a batsman as skillful as KP. Few shots he played of Ojha were just mesmerizing. His reach makes him so much better from the lot. That said, England still have a lot of grey areas - apart from cook and KP, they have not really shown signs of playing spin confidently. Bell needs to return, for he is a good player - but he too struggled in the UAE.
Will England drop Broad? Or as Sir Ian Botham said, the England dressing room may have become too 'matey - matey'? Bring in Bell and Finn - get rid of Bairstow and Broad. Surely, Kolkatta and Nagpur will be very slow and low pitches. It will play good for the first two days - but Monty especially will have to work twice as hard to get the some purchase. Of India's men - they will simply drop Harbhajan and play a pace bowler. A word on Pujara - the ore I watch him play, the more he impresses me. Maybe too early to call - but he seems a like to like replacement for Dravid. The way he keeps the eyes on the ball and never commits early on the front foot is just amazing. Edited by zuhair_abbasi - 28 November 2012 at 6:30am |
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Posted: 28 November 2012 at 6:10pm |
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Prior is another batsmen apart from Cook and KP who has looked good Zuhair, I do agree that Finn and Bell should come in but for Anderson and Baristow, I'd like to see Broad being persisted with.
I doubt if ENG will make any changes though, they may opt not to change a winning combination. One thing is for sure, India will be under tremendous pressure on day 1 at Kolkata, a bad day for India there and well, we could really see something special this series. Dhoni's captaincy in tests is already under a lot of scrutiny.
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Posted: 05 December 2012 at 9:29am |
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Alistair Cook is a useless tosser !! 3 successive wrong calls and India bat first yet again. The pitch is slow and both sides will be looking to score big in their first innings. Sehwag got himself run out to present England with their 1st wicket. Gambhir made another useful 60 and menacingly Tendulkar is still there on 69*. Not the old Tendulkar though , far more circumspect and I think England will feel pretty happy at the moment as Dhoni partners the little master , Indian 223-5 after 73 overs.
A couple more wickets and England will feel they've had the better of the 1st day. Edited by Sledger - 05 December 2012 at 9:29am |
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Posted: 05 December 2012 at 7:17pm |
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at 273/7 definitely ENG will feel they have won the day, the first two sessions were pretty much even but the last session going ENG's way to leave India in trouble at 7 down.
ENG have a golden opportunity here, IND don't look like they'll make too many as genuine tailenders are already at the crease, if ENG can bat well and score big this could be a great chance for ENG to seal another win.
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Posted: 06 December 2012 at 4:47pm |
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India getting roasted now by the English, congratulations to Alistair Cook on becoming the highest centurion for England and he has done it all at a very young age of 27, Cook is destined for greatness in his cricketing career.
![]() This has been quite a remarkable turnaround by ENG since the Mumbai test, they are now in the drivers seat and in the next 2 or 3 days they can ensure that they don't lose this series no matter what happens at Nagpur. Who would have thought this???
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Well played by England, a superb win in Mumbai and a really commanding performance in this test so far. They have laid a solid platform for a huge first innings score but there is still some way to go. I still think that the middle order needs to show that they can play spin bowling in these conditions and unusually for England of late, they have 3 genuine tail end batsmen. If India can get a few early wickets tomorrow they will be right back into this, but thats easier said than done, particularly at the way Cook is carrying on so far.
I expected Panesar to do well in this series given how he was impressive in the UAE but even so, I didnt expect him and Swann to outbowl India's spinners. He hardly seems to bowl a bad delivery and even managed to get a bit of turn on the first day. To trouble batsman of the calibre of India in their home conditions is no mean feat. Cook has been almost impossible to dismiss and to become the youngest player to reach 7000 runs as well as Englands highest ever centurion is an excellent achievement. I agree, certainly has the potential to become a legend of the game. |
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Posted: 07 December 2012 at 7:00am |
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Eng in reply, 337 for One.This is massive and my worst fear has came true.There was something really seriously wrong about India when they lost in UK and Aus, it was not technical or foreign conditions and losing like this at home just goes to show that.If it was just unable to play seam , they would have smashed England at home, the real problem is that none of their players are contributing in batting, seam or spin conditions.It only one or two batman that have been firing since that England tour.
Chances for India to turn it around are bleak, someone needs to score a double or triple soon for this bad form to end, and get some confidence back for entire team.
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No collapse for England Vize, they are marching along at 509/6, and a few quick runs tomorrow morning would mean India will have to bat for around 4 1/2 sessions to save this game, meaning they will have to bat pretty much till tea on the final day and hope they have a big enough lead which ENG won't be able to score in one session, meaning they'll have to score runs as well as survive.
There are several reasons for the situation that India find themselves in, firstly the new batsmen are no VVS, Rahul or Ganguly and even Sachin and Sehwag are only a shadow of their old self, so it's obvious that India are no longer the dominant side even at home that they were perhaps 4 years back, without Kumble the bowling loopholes have shown up and Zaheer too is not the same Zaheer that was. So all in all one can say that the youngsters that have replaced the senior players withh either take time to settle in or are just not good enough, I guess in the bowling department they are just not good enough while in batting the likes of Pujara and Kohli may take time but will eventually be good replacements for Rahul and VVS... forget Sachin, no one can replace him. Having said all that congratulations to England on this wonderful performance, Cook leading from the front, this is as good as it gets for the English, their hard work has paid off, well done guys, this series win if it happens is as big as the Ashes, absolutely no doubting that.
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Posted: 08 December 2012 at 8:18am |
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India 142/6 and still trailing by 66 runs, just a matter of time before England will wrap this up to sit pretty at 2-1.This is a massive beating for India in at home.
So, where is all the old talk ? India reached No 1 playing at home ? so what happened now aren't they playing at home now ? Right from India in England 2011 summer till this series India have been pathetic in Tests. Alteast now the blinkers will be off that when India did become No 1 , they truly played well and deserved to be there while they were there, now that they are not playing well , batting or bowling well they are losing it badly, home or abroad.It hardly matters. The biggest beneficiary seems to be England who beat India (when there were No 1) in 2011 summer and claimed No 1 spot. So going to the next match , if India level the series that will be really great achievement at home. On the other point regarding pitches turning from day 1, today the 4th day hardly halfway and we see 10 wickets, lot of spin and bounce.This is exactly what Dhoni said.No doubt they could not capitalize on winning the toss. Something on Cook, he has been in absolute dream form.That 1st test big innings in losing cause has done wonders for him.It's all about confidence.He has simply murdered anything that has come his way since then with great patience, perseverance,girt and determination . |
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All credit to Cook for England's success on this tour. If you assess carefully, you will find that Cook is the difference between the two sides. He has negated the toss, pitch, crowd & everything else. Just take him out of the equation & both the teams would fare pretty much the same
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However the real problem is Indian batting, even before the series I brought out the averages and Ashwin had the third highest average in 2012. Look today, he has second best average among Indian batsman (51 runs/innings) behind Pujara (103 runs/innings) this series. Gambhir and Shewag - 42 odd, while others Yuvraj - 25, Sachin -22, MSD -18, Virat - 17.That goes to show the real root cause of all the issues for India. This is not new, even when VVS and RD were there, it was the same reading since England tour, it's only one or two batman putting up a fight all the while and they keep changing every series.
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what is quite disgusting to see really is that Sachin is not even 20% of the player that he once was but still he wants to keep playing, I mean everybody in the world can see how much he is struggling but he just wants to keep playing.
I have tremendous respect for him but just look at Ponting, he has hit a double hundred this year but he knew he isn't the same old Ricky that he knew and he took a call which was absolutely correct. Sachin continuing to play at this stage of his career is a very negative message to every youngster who is trying to make a place in the side, it means even a 20% Sachin Tendulkar is better than a 100% younger player.
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