England v Pakistan (in U.A.E) 2012

 

I don't know who said on the forum , but someone said  that Day 2 & 3 will be batting paradises, but then India who won the toss should have ensured that they played till the end of day 2.They did not play well and lost the match, remember the day 1 - 13 wickets fell and then it changed on day 2 for sure, but it was known well in advance that Day 2 and 3 would be good for batting.

 

If at all the pitch stayed like that from Day 1 till the end of match I would rate it as batting paradise, so sorry it was not a batting paradise at all.

- Tendulkar needs to convert those big ones.

- Shewag should start playing with more caution oversears and put a target to himself

- Laxman,Gambhir needs show up big time

- Dravid needs to put few bricks in his dented wall (ala Ian Chappell ), I suppose it is better if he comes down the order (in Laxman's place) and contiributes with MSD and Ashwin to strengthen the lower order while get Rohit at #1 down slot.

 

Back to Eng Vs Pak , it seems Ajmal has some special deliver which he will unleash at the reigning champs.Can't wait for the show.

 

On England's make up , I guess they should play Swann and Panesar + 3 bowlers.

As far as I know Pakistan have been constantly moving up the rankings since last 18 months and India are constantly moving down the rankings, that says a lot about the progress of the two sides. Pakistan at the moment are 5th and that is not bad at all.

Secondly, and while I agree then when India were No.1 they deserved to be No.1, at no point of time were they dominant. That word "Dominant" doesn't suit them at all.

If we look at their series outside India

- they won 1-0 against ENG (after rain prevented ENG from taking one last wicket at Lords) nonetheless this was an achievement

- lost 2-1 to SLN (2008)

- lost 2-1 to AUS (2007)

- Lost 2-1 against RSA (2006)

- Drew 1-1 against RSA (2010)

- Drew 1-1 against SLN (2010)

- won 1-0 against NZL (2008)

- won 1-0 against WI (twice 2007 and 2011)

- lost 1-0 to pakistan (2006)

How is the above dominant I do not understand???? 

You'd expect most teams to win in NZL and WI even away from home so that while a good achievement is nothing extraordinary, so India's only major win overseas in last 10 years is the one against ENG 1-0, that's all.

 

Right at the top of this thread , infact the very first introductory post , you arrived at some stats, wherin you placed Pakistan as #2 in both tests and odi's.You have been so vocal about overseas peformance, the pitches and opponents quality whenever you rate team.

 

I think you should know that of all the 10 test matches Pakistan played

- 2 against NZ in WI (Won series 1-0)

- 2 against WI in WI (drawn series 1-1 )

NOTE: I know you said most teams expect to win against these team home or away

 

- 2 against BAN in BAN (Won this 2-0 )

- 1 against ZIM in ZIM (Won this 1-0)

- 3 against SL in UAE (Won this 1-0)

 

I am sure you have followed all the matches, pitches and opposition very carefully.

As for Good teams being only 4, well I don't agree, how can NZL beat AUS in AUS when it is not a good team at all, how can SLN beat RSA in RSA (although just a game) when it is not a good team, how come Pakistan be undefeated since August 2010 when they are not a good team... I think you'd do well to give respect to other teams else you'll have to eat your own words very soon! If I'm not wrong you predicted India to win this 4-0, you thought India wouldn't lose a test series in next 4 years and what not!

as for me, please prove my statements wrong but do it the right way mate, in this very thread I've said that ENG are firm favts but you choose not to point that out, I've even said it's hard to imagine PAK beating ENG but may be you can't read that either, you only pick and choose and mis-quote people to prove them wrong, which is not right Raj.

Anyways, I care less about that, I hope PAK win, and I hope they win all three formats. It'll be difficult but Lets see what happens.

also I never devalued the WC win, infact I've only given more importance to it by saying a team winning such a major tournament is looked upon by many as the team to set standards, which BP doesn't agree with (which is absolutely fine as that is his opinion), may be you should argue with him on that not me.

anyways, why am I arguing with you? I don't want to because you don't talk fair mate, you are a nice guy, I don't have anything against you, your cricketing knowledge is very good, no doubting that, but please we are here to talk fair otherwise I'm just not responding to you.

 

Thousand reason!!! wow ... well I have close to 2000 posts and we don't have that many matches , neither that many topics in cricket including IPL! 

 

Originally posted by sam_ahmed  as for me, please prove my statements wrong but do it the right way mate, in this very thread I've said that ENG are firm favts but you choose not to point that out, I've even said it's hard to imagine PAK beating ENG but may be you can't read that either, you only pick and choose and mis-quote people to prove them wrong, which is not right Raj.

Probably taste of your own medicene.That is exactly what your have been doing with my posts , I have even given enough examples.

 

Originally posted by sam_ahmed also I never devalued the WC win, infact I've only given more importance to it by saying a team winning such a major tournament is looked upon by many as the team to set standards, which BP doesn't agree with (which is absolutely fine as that is his opinion), may be you should argue with him on that not me.

I don't have any problem with what BP said about that , he was absolutely right in pointing out that - Why India has to be questioned if they did not perform well in Test , he was absolutely right about fact that there is absolutely no connection between Test and ODI. He made a valid point regarding "No one questioned England when they lost 5-0 to India in ODI", coz by then England were "Test No 1"

Just to clarify for wider public against misleading my quotes , After Ashes defeat this is what I said in exactly a year back

 

6 Jan 2011 in Ashes Thread:

 

Posted in by Malhotraraj84 09 December 2011 West Indies in India (2011)
Sam, even if India's complete 11 second string players play for another 2-3 years, still they will be in top four.

 

I guess my posts are pretty clear about ranking and not about beating.