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bill 61 
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 Topic: english cricket parentage ?Posted: 19 November 2005 at 10:11pm |
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where do english professional cricket players get their start? do they follow the american system of usually coming out of the college system ? and if so do they get athletic scholarships?
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 19 November 2005 at 10:41pm |
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As far as I know, I think they play for an England county and then if they perform well, they are selected for the International team.
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Posted: 20 November 2005 at 12:27am |
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School --> College --> (University/Academy) --> County --> England juniors --> England A --> England
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bill 61
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Posted: 20 November 2005 at 1:14pm |
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so, am i right in assuming that all players on the england A teams went to english universities? i.e. cambridge, oxford, leeds,
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Posted: 20 November 2005 at 1:38pm |
Not necessarily. |
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One Hammer
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Posted: 21 November 2005 at 1:24am |
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No not in australia Either..
Any coach of juniors can put forward kids with some talent into represntative games and squads that are watched by some suburban and state level coaches,They pick out the ones they identify as having something and help them through the grades and give them expert coaching,until they reach a level that they are capablr of playing A grade or suburban league.From that are all watched closely and can be picked for the state team,ie in my case here they would go to Victorian squad,and if talented enough into the cricket acadamy,where they get a year or 2 of full on ,living there and cricket 24 hours a day,from there they either get picked back into Vic squad,aussie A squad,or even Australia, We have a magnificent program here in australia,that any kid who wants to take his talent further will be given every assitance to do so. I think the difference with the USA and our guys is that we have 1 team that represnts Australia at elite level,that is 11 players and a 12th man,When traveling abraod they can have up to 18 players for tours,but only 11 can play at any 1 time in a test. With the USA ,take basketball for example they would have 100s,if not thousands of players comming through unto the system to fill the leagues,we only need 11 players,your basketball needs?you may be able to answer that one....Dont know if i have explained myself to clearly here,but i hope you get what im getting at. You can play cricket and never have gone to school,the scholling hasnt got anything to do with the cricket in australia,unles its the full time cricket school at the sports acadamy. 
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bill 61
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Posted: 26 November 2005 at 2:56am |
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the reason i ask the question is, there is an english expat in my neighborhood who is constantly telling anyone who will listen that "he played cricket for his english university, thereby implying that he was as good an athlete as american baseball players who went to college, meanwhile i've seen spoonfulls of gelatin with more muscle tone and athletic ability.
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 26 November 2005 at 3:26am |
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Wow, he played for his university. The coach for the indoor senior cricket team at my school was chosen for the Pakistan International team but never got to play.
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One Hammer
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Posted: 26 November 2005 at 7:30am |
Bill....Dont jump to any conclusions about not being athletic looking as cricket is a sport that you dont have to be a chissled athlete to be good at it.A lot of skinny people with no muscle have gone on to become greats of cricket. He may be very good at cricket as he says. Do you know what level he played at,or the university he was at,becuase this would help someone from england give you an idea of what he acheived,if it is a high enough level there will be a record of his acheivments somewhere...Try and find out 2 things,what he done,bat or bowl,,,and who he played for also to what level or standard,as in he may say cambridge univercity and played in the 1sts in first grade or a grade....we amy be able to give you some idea then of exactly what level he was or is at.... 
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Posted: 26 November 2005 at 7:36am |
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Bill just reading your post again ,i would think the difference between univercity basketballer where they are on schollarship and playing for your univercity are chalk and cheese mate,they are incomaprable if he is trying to sugest he is on the same level,to put it bluntly i would think anyone could play cricket if they had a bit of ability but the grades would indicate what level you were at. Also if they got paid 1 penny for playing univercity i would be surprised,but the college or uni in USA athletes are often million dollar prospects?or is that just what we see on TV/???
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Posted: 26 November 2005 at 11:56am |
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Which university was it? We have so many 'universities' in England which really don't deserve the name (I'm trying not to be elitist here, I'm hoping someone will back me up). I'd have no chance of getting into my university first team, but I'm sure I could get into some... ...it's not the equivalent of college system though. I don't fully understand it but it's completely different. To make your college team you have to be exceptionally talented (I think) but the same cannot be said about university (other than Loughborough, Durham, Cambridge, Oxford, and any others that have an academy - Cardiff is possibly one.) |
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Posted: 26 November 2005 at 6:07pm |
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Happy to back you up, JP. We have all sorts of universities that were developed from lower graded colleges so we could have a higher percentage of students at university. Unless we know which university the guy played for, we don't have a clue what standard he was at.
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bill 61
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 2:37am |
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i believe he played for oxford in the early 1970's, here in the states it truly is an evil marriage of academia and sports, kids with the feeblest academic resume' are admitted to top flight colleges, i.e. duke, michigan, virginia, stanford, only because they have a certain athletic ability, with the end result that the kid eventually ends up discarded with no degree or marketable skills after their four years of athletic scholarship are exhausted, but having helped generate millions of dollars for the universities coffers, a true crime against these kids who have no chance of matriculating and a perversion of the whole idea of a top flight degree when you know that these "classmates" can barely spell their names. there are two types of sporting teams at american universities the one i just described and then ones called "intramurals" which are leagues of teams that are comprised only of students that attend that school which play against each other. perhaps you have a system similar to this? keep in mind the chasm in talent between these two systems is as large as the grand canyon. In closing I ask how many players on the english national team played for this school? or for that matter how many are playing in the professional cricket league? what is the minimum salary of a player at the top level, the average salary, the top salary? |
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 4:57am |
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Well Bill , if he went to Oxford a simple search will determine two things -
1) If he actually played for Oxford 2) and if he did , how good he was Many Oxford players go on to play County cricket (the next level up) and a few might ultimately for their country. You haven't mentioned the man's name , if he DID play for England there are a number of people on this site who'd remember instantly. If he played for Oxford then we'd probably have to research it. If you don't want to post his name in open address , then pm it to me and I'll check it out. Then again , if he's a bullsh***er maybe publicly denouncing him will make you feel better!!
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 10:33am |
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To get into a team in cricket you must first come through the ranks
i.e. If you wanted to play for Durham you would first play for the
U14's then u16's then U18' and then 3rd XI's then 2ndXI's and then if
your good enough the First Team
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 1:42pm |
No mate , it's a professional era now , a player can come from anywhere in the country and waltz straight into the 1st team. |
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 2:25pm |
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cool well theres still hope for me
 but the way i said is still definatly a way of making it |
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Posted: 01 December 2005 at 12:55am |
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You plan to go to internationals?
How old are you? I'm not trying to be rude so don't take it in a wrong way. |
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