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    Posted: 21 March 2011 at 5:35pm
A new thread for the finals stage would be nice I think.

Pakistan v West Indies at Mirpur
Australia v India at Ahmedabad
Newzealand v South Africa at Mirpur
Srilanka v England at Colombo


with all due respect to the WI, I think this is a team that can lose from any position any time, the "resting" of Gayle and Roach for a World Cup game was a very very poor decision add to that Chanders gets dropped is as bad a team selection as it can get, I'm not too sure if their attitude is right, they look happy to be playing PAK and avoiding AUS, but in a WC there is no place to hide and this attitude of the WI will take them nowhere. I agree with Daisy that SAmmy has been a pretty poor captain and except for that one game against BAN, the team has looked quite ordinary.

PAK should find it easy if they play normally... but then this is Pakistan, they can beat AUS one day, the other day they can lose to Ireland! Should they not Implode then this will be a fairly comfortable win for PAK.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:48pm
I agree with what you said Sam. It's expected that the WI will lose to Pak although you can never really predict how PAK will play because they can be very suprising sometimes. However, they have performed great so far in this world cup so based on that they should win. The India/Australia match should be VERY intense. Those aussies dont give up easily they would definitely be determined to retain the trophey. On the other hand India is playing at home and thus, they would be under even more pressure to win. I can't make any predictions for that game but it shoudl definitely be a great one to watch
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 5:34pm
yes Daisy, IND-AUS will be a tight game, overall I'd say IND have a better team but the ability of the aussies to rise to the occasion and perform at the big stage is something that can make the difference. Remember India's results in ICC Events have been very ordinary of late...

2007 WC - 1st Round Exit
2007 WT20 - Winners
2009 WT20 - 1st Round Exit
2009 Champions Trophy - 1st Round Exit
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So a wonderful team but when it matters the most they don't perform, it's all in the mind and that may make a difference.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 10:36pm
Sam, these are the 2 most unpredictable team in Cricket - In all fairness, not much seperate the batting.  Pakistan have a whole line up of un-top quality batsman, Umar Akmal is definitely the best of the lot.  Hafeez is no different from Devon Smith.  West Indies have Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul (he is returning for this game), no one in this current Pakistani line up is as good as them.  Stats isn't everything but Hafeez, Akmal, Afridi has under achieved with the bat.  I won't include the young Shafiq (can't remember the youth name haha) because he just started.  Razzaq is pretty good too but Pakistan is wasting him to late, he won't get to do much damage down there so i'm not worried.
 
Difference is, Pakistan's bowling attack usually saves them!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote abubakar52 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2011 at 12:07am
Spinny, You can say Younis and Misbah are the best Pak got at the moment, agreed about Umar Akmal and the rest, I have a feeling Hafeez may unleash in this match.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2011 at 2:27am
Crap, I forgot all about, Younus haha.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2011 at 5:37am
So it really kicks off today after a month of "the phoney war".   The top eight sides in the world with reasonable chances of success for all of them.  For the Windies to undo Pakistan I see Roach as the key , with Rampaul a useful foil.  The Pakistani batting isn't that special and if the Windies are to beat them I see it as a low scoring contest.  Lots of talk about Gayle , understandably so , but they can win even if he fails.   Younus carries a lot of responsibility in the batting department for Pakistan and has the ability to assess the conditions and determine what is a decent total.  
              In the last two years the Windies one day cricket has been dire , but Gibson seems to have brought them together and I think they'll push Pakistan close.  They mustn't take liberties with Afridi's leggies , just as the Pakistani batsmen need to respect Benn's.
               All in all it should be fascinating - I don't see one side running away with it - it could be a really topsy turvy contest but I see Pakistan just shading it if they can get a decent start to their innings.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2011 at 4:57pm
Congratulations to Pakistan on a dominating victory!!! This was a loud and clear message and a slap in the face of everyone who thought they will not do well in this tournament!

Great win, I'm delighted to say the least, 2 steps away from the World Cup, God willing that will be achieved too. well done Pakistan, well done Afridi and his men!

I feel bad for the westindies and the westindian fans though, Spinny's assessment of the two sides was fair enough, if you compare man to man then PAK have got a better bowling but batting wise these two teams were pretty equal, unfortunately though, WI just don't have that mind set these days of winning and that sometimes can make all the difference.

As I always say though, there is always something to look forward to, the WC will be won by just 1 team and it doesn't mean it is the end of the world for the remaining 13, WI have got a good bunch of young players I think what is required is groom them properly, perhaps make them more passionate about the game, and I'm sure the results will come... They have two BIG BIG home series coming up against PAK and IND, that will be just the right time to start off.  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 3:19am
Pakistan's bowling is mostly the difference, their batting isn't usually up to much but their bowling is quite reliable. 
 
And I think it has now hit home to me why people say Chanderpaul is a very selfish batsman!!  I don't think I need to explain!  Sarwan has been a disgrace this tournament.  Gayle has been striking the ball well but hasn't gotten away - too much T20s.  Amazing enough, he's been one of the best Test batsman in the last 2-3 years. 
 
One things for certain, with Pakistan, you can't predict right.  Sledger and i were way off!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 5:18am
It wasn't close SW , but I did get the result right!  Wink    I've seen lame batting on many occasions (remember , I'm English!)  , but that performance yesterday was shameful !  Afridi simply left an inviting gap at midwicket and asked the West Indian batsmen to hit across the line to score there.  All of them , bar Chanderpaul and Sarwan fell for it , none more so than Bravo and Sammy - simply terrible batting.    The pitch didn't turn that much and there was little bounce - all the Pakistani spinners did was bowl straight and that was enough for the lamentable West Indians.
              Still , all you can do is beat what's in front of you and the Pakistanis did that comprehensively - well done to them and a mouth watering prospect of an Indian/Pakistani semifinal is a real possibility now !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 5:47am
Bring it on - say us!! The variety in the bowling paid off. It was more than just terrible batting. Ajmal's deliveries were a treat to watch - youtube stuff really!! West Indies have to sort out their over dependence on Gayle. You cant expect a tea to win whose captain does not even deserve to start in the playing eleven.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 5:54am
Oh!! Wat an anti-climax in the end? Yes did consider Pakistan to be the favourite going into the game, but din't expect such a lopsided contest. The Pakistani biys were on demolition mode and the Windies seemed to have pressed the wrong button 'Self-destruction'. In the end they had no answers to the guile of Pakistan's spin.

All the spinners were terrific but I enjoyed watching Ajmal the most. Those doosra's is such a potent weapon I'm sure there are not many batsmen in the world who could read em well. I've always thought that he was a must in the team. Rehman has had a good tournament so far. But for me Ajmal is your big match-winner, and must play no matter what. Afridi was his usual self, intimidating. Phew, What a tournament he's having? Like Rameez Raja says they peaking as a unit at the right time.
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And might as well play both Rehman and Ajmal in place of Riaz in the semis!!! Will depend on the opposition though - if it is the Aussies - I would not mind playing all of them!!
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Okay So its QF #2 India vs Australia.
The Tale of Two greats, End of the Road for One.

Sachin Tendulkar v Ricky Ponting. As they could probably be going through the last leg of their career this could very much be the last time we see one of these legends in action at a WC .

Both have many times been in the midst of raging debates between fans, the media , cricket experts, former players . Though Sachin does have his nose slightly in front( I'm just being nice    ) when it comes to personal landmarks, Ponting clearly enjoys a better success rate and team accomplishments . In fact Sachin's never tasted success against australia at a WC. So will this be the time when it finally happens. Or will Ricky yet again continue to rule the roost over here. Come tonight we shall find out.

Either way its going to be the culmination of the WC career for one of these heroes. And with that their last fight at the Biggest stage of em all.

So like always lets enjoy this glorified rivalry at the WC stage for one last time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 7:59am
Yes - big match. I expect a big turner of a pitch. Aussies will make some changes methinks. There is no point playing Steve Smith when he does not bowl. Play a specialist in his place. The toss will be crucial and the team winning it will have a huge advantage.
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Good call by Ponting. Wins the toss and bats and rightly drops Smith for David Hussey!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 1:01pm
Well david Hussey played a good little innings coming down to the end there so maybe it was a good choice to choose him ahead of Smith. At this point, the match is nicely poised. Australia has set up a challenging total for India to chase and it wont be easy!
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I would not call it a challenging total - I think they are good 30 runs short.
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India 187/4, slightly ahead at the moment but a wicket or two can finish it off... tense moments.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 4:17pm
ah and as I speak, poor captain Dhoni goes, what a pathetic tournament he has had... AUS clear favts now... I do not expect much from Raina, Yusuf should have played this.
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Yuvi playing another terrific knock here!
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India win!!! champions innings from Yuvraj... It's India vs Pakistan at Mohali come 30th of March... IT DOESN"T GET BIGGER THAN THIS!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 6:22pm
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I would not call it a challenging total - I think they are good 30 runs short.
and u were right! But I think, the Austrailian bowling was not impressive. That's not a small total by any means. Those bowlers just were not able to defend it.
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India win!!! champions innings from Yuvraj... It's India vs Pakistan at Mohali come 30th of March... IT DOESN"T GET BIGGER THAN THIS!!!!
Agreed! I know who I'll be backing for that one! Probably the best game in the tournament so far
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2011 at 7:12pm
The Pakistan vs India clash should have been the finals, then it would have been the most epic finals in Cricket.  Sad to say, but work will have to take a backseat on that day!
 
And one thing, I did wonder why is Pakistan playing Rahman over Ajmal.  Rahman bowls a lot of seamer type deliveries more than trying to put sidespin/overspin on the ball!
 
Only thing i'm worried for about the semi-final game, is the players houses if any of the team play poorly. 
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Australia lost to India what a match i must say ............ India batted very well at the end.... This is for all the Indian fans
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Australia gave away 21 extras - 16 of them wides - and that is where they lost it!! That is why Shaun Tait just does not make the cut - too much for the x-factor. It is fine if you have a varied bowling attack or have more than 5 bowlers - Aussies dont have that luxury and they paid for it. Brilliant stuff from Yuvraj and Raina though. Master stroke to play Raina ahead of Yusuf came off - it would have been tight had Raina not been playing.

But now WHO CARES - it is THE MATCH coming up folks. Forget about The Ashes, forget about any other thing - cricket rivalry does not get bigger than this!! And both these teams have not played a bigger game ever before between themselves!! there is not much between the two teams - it will be all about handling and absorbing the pressure - which will be more on Indians than us!! So bring it on I say!!

I wonder how do the players feel like - as the fans at home have already got so nervous and have started praying and what not. Even I have been thinking of the match since last night - spare a thought for the players!! Bring on Wednesday the 30th.
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Rather comfortable for the Indians in the end - fine partnership between Yuvraj and Reina that settled it.  Congratulations to the selectors in picking Reina over Pathan - he looked rock solid from the start.  Australia can have no complaints , they haven't set this world cup alight and they were clearly second best yesterday.
                Zaheer Khan was tremendous yet again , the reverse swing in that second spell did for Michael Hussey - that was top class bowling.  Tendulkar and Ponting showed why they've been the best batsmen of this generation but Ponting's dismissal will give him nightmares for years!    Zuhair was dead right , they were 30 runs short and India never let the runrate get much above 6 per over - they were very cool in the chase.
                 So Wednesday sees Pakistan take on India in what should be a fantastic match.  I just hope the pitch is a fair one and the toss isn't crucial. One thing's for sure , I won't be betting on the outcome !
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Originally posted by spin wizard

I did wonder why is Pakistan playing Rahman over Ajmal.  Rahman bowls a lot of seamer type deliveries more than trying to put sidespin/overspin on the ball![
Spinny, they did play Ajmal in the quarters because of the number of left handers Windies have. Pakistan use Rehman as a containing bowler and he does that job pretty nicely. We have enough of wicket takers in the team and the pressure that Rehman creates from one end also helps in taking a wicket from the other.

But they may well play both Rehman and Ajmal and drop Riaz in the semis!!
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Yep , Riaz looked very ordinary in the quarter final , poor control meant there was little pressure on the batsmen.  Good job there were good 'uns bowling when he wasn't !
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