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    Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:05pm
chokers?
am i right? :-)

Again they promised so much but gave it away in very important time.


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Chokers?

South African cricket team??

Surely not???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:11pm
it's all over for south africa ... I really can't believe this. Very sad moment this for all fans and for the team which really deserved to win this tournament.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:16pm
more hyperbole, how exactly did they "deserve" to win the tournament?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kahmad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:17pm
2 big favourites are out now. There are 3 left now: India, Sri Lanka, England.
How wrong the experts can be. It will be really funny, if Pakistan and NZL will reach the final. 2 teams of which no one was thinking that far.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:26pm
well Clobs it's easy to say that once they are out of it but as long as they were in, they were definitely the best side in the tournament and the favorites to win. Ok I must not have said they "deserved" to win because some other sides too have played pretty good cricket, but they certainly didn't deserve to lose to NZL, who barely made it to the Quarters.

The winner of the match tomorrow should almost certainly make it to the finals, I think this result now means that the WC is wide open.

Contrary to what many believe, I think Pakistan should be able to beat India and we might well see a Pak - SLN final unless ENG do something special, who will do it for ENG though remains to be seen, may be Morgan, may be Swann, but do they really have that X-Factor?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:41pm
they clearly weren't the best side or they wouldn't have make a dogs dinner of a simple run chase against England, and they certainly wouldn't have got stuffed by a side as ordinary as NZ.

Sri Lanka must be delighted as their path to the final looks pretty smooth. England though have pretty much confounded expection in all their matches so far, one way or another, and have a decent recent record against SL so shouldn't be too fearful.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 4:52pm
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But now WHO CARES - it is THE MATCH coming up folks. Forget about The Ashes, forget about any other thing - cricket rivalry does not get bigger than this!! And both these teams have not played a bigger game ever before between themselves!! there is not much between the two teams - it will be all about handling and absorbing the pressure - which will be more on Indians than us!! So bring it on I say!!
 
I don't think there will ever be a rivalry in any sport as intense as that of India vs Pakistan clash in Cricket.  The nation of both sides are always bouyant about it and they do play some terrific Cricket against each other.
 
Originally posted by Zuhair_abbasi

Spinny, they did play Ajmal in the quarters because of the number of left handers Windies have. Pakistan use Rehman as a containing bowler and he does that job pretty nicely. We have enough of wicket takers in the team and the pressure that Rehman creates from one end also helps in taking a wicket from the other.
 
Rahman's economy rate i'm sure in no where under 4 per over, I don't think Ajmal is more than 5 so it would be a no brainer to me as to who should play.  Ajmal is a very good limited over bowler (exclude that over to Mike Hussey). 

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

And who will you be supporting Sam? Such a tough question for you!!
 
That's a no brainer zuhair, he'll be supporting Pakistan!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:01pm
So, SA have once again choked and that's why, if anyone here recalls some months ago, I didn't give SA a chance just because of this very reason.  The 3 sub continental sides were always the favourites for mine (along with my baisness for West Indies).  Oh, and never count out the kiwis either but I don't see them winning it.  They don't bow out of competitions that early or easily!
 
This has been the best WC i've witnessed! 
 
Tomorrow's game should be fun, I mean, England have entertained in all the games (although that's no consolation to the fans).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2011 at 6:11pm
wow! that was unbelieveable! SA was in such a good position and then the wickets began to tumble. This result is kind of a suprise because I believe they have a better team than NZ yet they were outplayed when it really mattered. those NZ bowlers successfully defended a small score. I'm sure that SA must have been very satisfied with their bowling performance....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 6:44am
They did not choke - it was not like any of the previous exits in World Cups. Let's praise Kiwis for the patience and the belief that they had in themselves. And Sam, SA clearly were not the better side yesterday and they did not deserve to win the tournament by any means - their performance up to the QF was good - nothing to suggest that they were the invincible. And boy, don't NZ love to be in the semis all the time? they have made the semis six times now - equal with PAk and Aus!! Will we see a new winner this time? It is getting really exciting.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 8:45am
Originally posted by Sledger

We'll see v4p - they have history !


How did you do that? You wouldn't happen to be a match-fixer now would you .. Next time I'll take your word for it.

And the legacy continues.. They have choked again. I still can't understand it, Defies logic, when will it ever end. I really thought this time they would break free of those shackles. Feel sorry for them and their fans.

Very Glad for NZ though. 6 WC semi-finals some record huh.
NZ for me symbolizes Team Spirit & Unity. They haven't got the so called Big Names in their ranks(one or two at most) but yesterday they were their together hunting lack a pack of wolves out there. Their fielding such a beauty to watch. You watch teams for their batting some for their bowling But NZ you watch them for their fielding and their spirit( at least at the WC's).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 9:14am
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... Pakistan needs this more than any other country.


Not sure the other countries would quite agree. I'm sure India would want to win it real bad. Same for SA and Aus. You could see it on their captain's faces after they lost the match. Ricky said he was devastated.

All I can say is let the better team win ( please God make that team India )    
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 9:18am
Eng win toss elect to bat. Hoping for another humdinger.
This has been a honeymoon period for ODI's . Expect it to continue esp with Eng playing.
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220 will be a good total on this track, wont be easy to chase it down. Will be interesting to see Swann's reaction with the wet ball.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 1:37pm

England's total should be challenging...They could have made a few more runs though. Their run rate during the beginning and probably middle was a bit low. Then there was the appauling Sri Lankan fielding. Morgan got 4 lives!!! I think SL dropped like 3 catches. that's kind of suprising because you won't expect that from a top class team like SL but I guess it just was not a good day for them in the field. Hopefully, this game would turn into a thriller!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

220 will be a good total on this track, wont be easy to chase it down. Will be interesting to see Swann's reaction with the wet ball.
Yeah this wicket I think would definitely suit Swann because it's more a spinner's wicket than anything else!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 2:48pm
ENG look to be on their way out, Lanka 116/0, I would have loved to see ENG win this, I thought 230 was a good score but SLN are making it look very easy, which is quite surprising as it normally is not easy chasing at the Premadasa.

SLN v NZL will be a repeat of the 2007 Semi Final if it happens. NZL have reached the SF's 6 times but never have they reached the finals... so are they also Chokers????

I hope they do it this time, make the finals, although it looks difficult, I have said this before a team with the likes of Ryder, McCullum, Vettori, Taylor, Mills (although he is injured now) can never be an easy opponent, the great advantage NZL have is that almost everyone in their team can bat and bowl and add to that they are an excellent fielding side.

Should it be NZL v SLNB, I expect NZL to give the lankans a very good fight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kahmad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 3:19pm
it is a bit early but SRL is on their way.
I think in last games englands bowling was a bit lucky. Anderson is definetly better choice than Tremplate. His experience was needed in this crunch game.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 4:22pm
That was as convincing win as you'd get ... loud and clear message by Srilanks to the remaining three opponents that they won't be easy to beat.

quite amazingly, except for India, all the remaining three Semi finalists are from Group A when it was Group B that was tougher!!! 

ENG were considerably weakened after the departure of KP, Broad, Shahzad and even Anderson was unnecessarily dropped. The bowling was nothing really, and the paid for it.

Looks like the ICC plan has worked perfectly, all three Asian giants have got through to the SF's, and NZL is the only outside team that has been able to make it. What a tournament this has been for the teams from the subcontinent.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 6:37pm
I thought England were maybe 20 runs short - as it turns out even another 100 wouldn't have been enough!

Superb stuff from the Sri Lankans - I can't even be all that critical of England, I think they did the best they could in the circumstances but were blown away by what was a far superior team on the day.
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Oooops!!! South Africa choked once again. Well done NZ. Their fielding was superb yesterday.
England played some really good matches in this world cup and I was expecting a close match today but it turned out to be a walk in the park for Srilanka at the end.
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Shoaib Akhtar must play, he will be determined and extra charged up for this encounter, believe me if he plays he will make a major impact.

Yup Sam, but I think his inclusion will be little risky or maybe not. Meanwhile many Ex cricketers including Imran khan wants Shoaib in final 11. So, maybe he will be there and will prove his worth InshaALLAH!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2011 at 11:29pm
I thought the 229 would have been competitive but not say, Sri Lanka made it look all to easy.  They dropped some sitters off Morgan today, I couldn't believe it, seems like they were mixing up in butter prior to the game.
 
Anyhow, 3 sub continent sides and the dark horses of the kiwis.  I think that's some good games on hand.  Bring them on!
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Shoaib Akhtar must play, he will be determined and extra charged up for this encounter, believe me if he plays he will make a major impact.

Yup Sam, but I think his inclusion will be little risky or maybe not. Meanwhile many Ex cricketers including Imran khan wants Shoaib in final 11. So, maybe he will be there and will prove his worth InshaALLAH!!


That risk is worth taking Amal, espwhen you know that Wahab is not setting the world on fire anyways, and Indian's play spin so so well that there is no point in playing 4 spinners against them (Afridi, Hafeez, Ajmal are anyhow there) other possible case  is Junaid Khan and I'd say throwing him into such a big game as a debutant will not be a great idea... Considering those three options above, I think playing Akhtar is definitely a risk worth taking.
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I had actually thought that England's total would be challenging. I think this is the first time in this world cup that a team batting second, made the required runs to win without losing a wicket!
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actually second time. Pakistan also chased against WI without losing a wicket.
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^^or the opposite of it, in reality they used three batsmen though.
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Really letdown by England. They seemed totally exhausted in the field.It looked like a match between a boxer in his 15th round and the other in his 1st. Superb chase by SriLanka showed that there were no demons in the pitch. England were probably done by the avg 1st innings total( 195 ) and failed to come out and attack.

So three sub-continent teams in the semis. Also for the sixth consecutive time a sub-continent team to feature in the WC final. Impressive that.
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The build-up to Ind-Pak match grows at a frenetic pace with each day. Switch to any NEWS channel and thats all they discuss. In one if you've Aamer Sohail and Ravi Shastri having a go at each other, in another you've Imran Khan building up to the mind games and Kumble return it with a back hand. In a third channel things get really ugly with cricket analyst/journalist literally shouting at the top of their voice just to be heard. And they say it should be treated as just another cricket match, huh!! The PM of Pakistan has been invited for the match and to be accompanied by his Indian counterpart. Hope they don't end up in a fist fight towards the end of the game .
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