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Mikey 
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 Topic: Foreign languagesPosted: 30 April 2011 at 11:21am |
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It's a tricky little letter if you're not a native speaker. Bit of trivia, in Modern Hebrew they also have the 'ayn, but only the Arabs pronounce it when speaking Hebrew, as most modern Hebrew speakers are from Europe originally and couldn't say it. Thought that was interesting. I've never been to Israel though, so I'm not 100% sure, Hebrew is just a language I want to learn simply because it's similar to Arabic.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 2:58pm |
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The part highlighted in bold would be pronounced in English as "Lay" as in laying an egg. I Listened to a middle eastern urdu speaker and for Assalam alaikom, it sounded as "Lay-E" (Say the word lay and E together is the best way to describe it) and for walaikum Salam it sounded as "Lee" (like Brett Lee). Maybe my ears is bad but probably different people from different region will even have some variation in pronounciation. For instance, most of us in the West Indies say "Hello" but there are some English folks that because of their accent you actually hear 'Ello.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 1:07am |
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Okay, I think i've got it now. Just brushed up on how the vowels are to be pronounced, it's a big help, things are much easier to understand now. Also learned about how sentences are shaped in terms of Subject, object then the verb. Mein Urdu Siiknii Ki Koshish Kaa Rahaa hun
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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Sledger
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Posted: 04 May 2011 at 6:46am |
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Naw , I just tell 'em to speak a proper language ! Joking aside , there's probably more people using foreign languages in the UK than there is here in SA. I've travelled all around this country and have yet to find anyone who cannot converse in English. That wasn't always true when I lived in England , a bunch of us crossed the border into North Wales for some trout fishing back in the 1970's - we fished , then went for a pint in a nice little hostelry. It was pretty busy and the locals were all prattling in English until they heard our accents and immediately they switched to Welsh - gits !! |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 05 May 2011 at 10:44am |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 06 May 2011 at 4:43am |
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Sledger
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That must come in handy in your current job JP ! |
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Mikey
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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 10:57am |
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Sometimes those folks are actually speaking English and I still can't decode what they're saying. Some of those Welsh and Gaelic folks have very harsh accents. |
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Mikey
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Posted: 09 June 2011 at 5:20am |
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How's the language learning guys? Still a few more languages I want to learn, still trying to diffuse Arabic and Hebrew - I think I chose the two hardest languages in the world
 . Should have stuck with Italian, which I learnt in High School times.
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Posted: 09 June 2011 at 11:58am |
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Absolument. France being the cricketing powerhouse that it is, of course. |
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kirankri
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 5:28am |
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I can read/write/understand/speak only two languages. English and Kannada.
To answer Spinny, yes, it was difficult initially to learn English since the grammar of English and Indian languages are different.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 6:43am |
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Not even Hindi Kiran? That sounds strange - I thought everyone in India knows Hindi
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Mikey
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 8:10am |
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Can't imagine you could get very far in India without knowing Hindi. Even your Pakistani neighbours would do more than fine conversing in Urdu with their Indian counterparts.
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kirankri
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 9:41am |
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No Zuhair. I can only understand some very very basic words.
Not many people in the 4 states of South India (which constitutes almost 30 crores) knows Hindi (specially our generation). Hyderabad is one exception in AP I guess. the current younger generation is exposed more to Hindi channels, so slightly better than us.
The advantage of that though is that, people here generally speak better English since we speak in English with people from other states. Even among the Indian cricketers you would have seen. Dravid/Kumble/Srinath/Laxman speak better English than Sehwag/RP Singh/Harbhajan and co. People from Mumbai (west) speak both the languages reasonably well.
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kirankri
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 9:47am |
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Yes Mikey. Would be a bit difficult when I visit northern India. However, I have been to North only once in 37 years.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 10:16am |
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Woof - just ONCE!! then again, India is huge
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Mikey
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 10:21am |
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That's amazing. Then again, English seems to be more of a lingua franca in India. Everyone with reasonable education levels speaks it as a 2nd language, so you can use it when speaking to those from different states.
How often do they use English as a language of instruction in Indian and Pakistan schools? I know they are both official languages in both nations. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 10:30am |
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The public schools still use Urdu as the medium of instruction - but all other schools use English - I would say around 80 percent.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 10 June 2011 at 4:38pm |
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Pakistan mosam bhai zuhair kaisay hun?
Did I get that right zuhair?
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 11 June 2011 at 12:18pm |
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Not exactly Spinny - but still a good try. Pakistan mayN mausam kesa hay Zuhair bhai is the more appropriate way of saying how is there weather in Pakistan Zuhair
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spin wizard
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Posted: 11 June 2011 at 2:48pm |
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Ok. I had my urdu on break for a while as I had exams. Will be back in session from now on.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 11 June 2011 at 7:21pm |
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There are many people in my state who cannot understand or speak Hindi, yes Hyderabad is an exception, in fact I think Hyderabad also has the most number of Urdu speaking people as well, my grand father was a renowned Urdu poet who has received awards even from the president of India (back in the 90's). Most people in south India are not very good in Hindi, but if you go north you cannot survive without Hindi.
Mumbai is a beautiful place where in you'll find people speaking all types of languages. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 13 June 2011 at 8:15am |
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That's cool Sam - what was his name - I am a huge poetry fan
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vote4peace
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Posted: 13 June 2011 at 2:51pm |
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Yane vishesha kiranki. I'd worked in Bangalore for close to two years after my Engineering, picked up on a little bit of kannada, very little though. People told me that most words similar in all four Dravidian languages. True that but I still found it a little tough to cope initially. Guess Kannada more liken to Telugu and Tamil to Malayalam. And very true most people down south do not converse all that well in Hindi. Bangalore and Hyderbad being the exceptions. Least spoken in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. |
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kirankri
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Posted: 14 June 2011 at 6:29am |
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Good try V4P. It should be Enu Vishesha Kiran? meaning "What's special Kiran?".
Enu Vishesha illla V4P
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Do you visit Bengaluru anytime? If so, call me when you are here next time. May be, meet over a cup of coffee would be great.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 14 June 2011 at 7:16am |
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Any of you fellows live in Delhi? I will be in Delhi at the end of this month - would be great to meet a CW memeber
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Mikey
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Posted: 14 June 2011 at 10:25am |
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If any of you guys ever hit up Perth, then chuck us a personal message and the beer/coffee is on me~!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 14 June 2011 at 1:53pm |
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If any of you guys ever come to St. Vincent and the Grenadines, i'll just recommend where to visit. No beers would be on me. Putting that offer to someone like Sledger might just send me broke!!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 14 June 2011 at 2:29pm |
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As the general rule of ethics - I have heard a visitor should not take more than two pegs. So you can offer Sledge too Spinny
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 14 June 2011 at 6:27pm |
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You can google Ali Ahmed Jaleeli / Dr. Ali Ahmed Jaleeli, I'm sure you'll find many results zuhair.
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