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spin wizard 
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 Topic: Group A DiscussionPosted: 10 March 2011 at 12:08am |
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Man, that was some fireworks to the end and probably a record for amount of runs in a 6 over period. That was very severe treatment although very much aided by some pies of deliveries served up by Akhtar and Razzaq especially. When a team finishes in that sort of mood, there is only going to be one winner.
And Sledger's first post, although out of a bit of emotion, was very spot on. That's the general thought that most people would have gotten. Don't think it's match fixing though but the thoughts would always race around in people's mind. Nonetheless, the bowling was of the poorest quality, I've never seen Razzaq been so wayward yet!
And lastly, Razzaq might as well retire because Pakistan is under utilizing him. He hardly bowls 10 overs and hardly ever get to bat anyway. By far a better batsman in terms of runs production than Afridi and Kamral yet they all get to bat ahead of him.
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Sledger
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Posted: 10 March 2011 at 5:38am |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 10 March 2011 at 6:12pm |
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Now that SLN have qualified for the QF's they will get to play at the premadasa and surely PAK won't be facing them as they are in same group. So PAK will get wither India or Bangladesh, fair enough for me.
Sledge, This is what PAK are, if they lose they lose like this, if they win they look a champion side. This mercurial behavior is what whcih makes them a dangerous side, despite the ordinary bowling performance at the death I'm very confident about their bowling, it is their batting though that still worries me. If only had Yousuf and Malik been selected. Anyways, important game coming up against ZIM. need to win that because the other game ZIM play is with KEN and they are expected to win that while PAK play AUS so it won't be as easy. |
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Sledger
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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 5:00am |
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Yes Sam , mercurial is the word but why is that ? Are they so unprofessional that losing doesn't matter ? Do they care what anger they cause amongst their supporters? None of us like our team losing , but if they've given their best and come out on the wrong side of it , we accept it.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 6:31am |
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I have had enough of the team being unpredictable, vastly talented, mercurial and yet dangerous. Yes the team has good enough players but lacks consistency. And it is not that they don't give their best - the biggest problem is the lack of professional attitude - all the way from top to bottom - from Ijaz Butt to Waqar Younis. That said, I know we can bounce back from here - all is not lost yet. Pakistan team should feel lucky to have such supporters that support them after every embarrassment that the players or the Board causes for the nation. They just have to show some more professionalism - winning or losing is one thing - attitude is another.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 4:54pm |
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Maybe you should import Darren Sammy to Pakistan then Zuhair!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 5:12pm |
what Zuhair has said pretty much sums it up sledge, the fans have accepted that this is how PAK is, the good thing is that they are still a force and have always been a force and haven't really gone down for a long period like the WI or for that matter NZL (in Tests). lack of professionalism is surely there, but sledge if this current lot just plays as a unit and do not indulge in any corrupt act then I'll be more than happy with the team irrespective of their performance, the biggest problem of this team has always been lack of unity and controversies that always seem to surround them. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 14 March 2011 at 8:27am |
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Crunch game for Pakistan - they should win today to ensure the QF birth - I don't expect them to win over Australia. some changes will be there for sure - Akhtar will miss out and one maybe the younger Akmal will make way for Shafiq.
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Sledger
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Posted: 14 March 2011 at 8:31am |
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Yes , a big game for Pakistan today against a team they should beat comfortably. Then again , after the upsets we've seen so far it'll probably be another nailbiter!
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vote4peace
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Posted: 14 March 2011 at 9:16am |
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As far as I'm concerned the quarter-finalists from this group already decided. Just Two more games that matter remain in this group.
Pak vs Aus and SL vs NZ. The outcome of these games gonna decide the order of the top 4. Any of the 4 teams involved could top the group or end up 4th( but for Aus who can't finish 4th, assuming that there are no tied games or any shockers ) Edited by vote4peace - 14 March 2011 at 9:16am |
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daisy77
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Posted: 14 March 2011 at 3:11pm |
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yeah I agree. the quater finalist are already decided in group A. No upsets here. It's group B that's gona have a fight between Bang and Eng.
A shame though because it really should be england getting in. They just played some bad cricket and were plagued with inconsistancy. Too bad...
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 14 March 2011 at 6:55pm |
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PAK qualify, congratulations to them on that, Zuhair that is being very pessimistic , there is no point in saying we can't beat so and so team, because if you want to win the WC then you have to beat every team, at least believe that you can beat every other team otherwise winning the WC is not possible. I'm confident that PAK can beat AUS come sunday, God willing.
... and if they do there is every likelihood of them finishing on top of the table with 10 points surely (unless NZL also beat SLN and it goes down to NRR). It may so happen that BAN may squeeze in 4th place in group B and PAK could well meet BAN in the QF's. A game they will feel pretty confident about. So everything to play for against AUS. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 5:50am |
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Yes the game is very important. It is not that Pakistan cant win but what worries me is that which Pakistan turns out on Saturday. There are two Pakistan sides - and if the one that played against SRL turns out then Pakistan can surely win. yes that match is a big one ans it could decide the top 2 positions - which could be vital if BD qualifies from the other group.
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Sledger
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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:14am |
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Pakistan can do one of two things against Australia - 1) Play without fear , having qualified , and win or 2) Play with little interest and get belted. I don't see any middle ground for them - one thing's a certainty though , Australia will be fired up. I can't see Pakistan playing really well and losing - they don't do that !
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:48am |
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That's right - it was good that Shehzad failed again so now we can have Hafeez and Shafiq opening the innings and the top order wont be losing quick wickets. I see Hussey as the biggest player of the current lot when they go to the knockouts. Watch out for Hussey folks.
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daisy77
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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 2:31pm |
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Yeah he's very consistent and a very dangerous player. Too bad he wasn't in the side longer.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 2:40pm |
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Well the business end of the tournament just about to commence so i reckon they've got him exactly at the right time.. Love him as a player and a person just not too keen on seeing his team doing that well this WC. They've got to hand over that baton, about time!!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 5:47pm |
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Agreed Zuhair, it is difficult to know which PAK side will turn up, and we would want the right one to turn up for the next 4 games in a row, that is what it is all about, that will win PAK the WC. Sledge is right, PAK don't lose when they play well, and that is what they need to do now.
I'm not entirely convinced about Shafiq opening Zuhair, I'm happy with that innings of Asad but unfortunately he cannot make the playing eleven. Let us not get carried away here, I mean Shahzad scored a couple of centuries and then failed miserably,similarly Asad has played one good knock but doesn't quite has the X Factor in him. I'd leave both of them out and play an extra bowler for sure. PAK are much better of that bway, it'll also give them a chance to get Razzaq to bat higher up. For a team to win the WC, they need that X Factor, what worries me the most is that this PAK team lacks that X Factor, unlike in the past when they had Imran or Wasim or Waqar or a young Shoaib or even when they won the T20 WC, they had Aamer. Some how some one will have to step up though, may be Razzaq, may be Afridi. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 5:44am |
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Forget the X-factor Sam, just play the deserving players. And Shafiq is way better than Shehzad and I am not saying this on the basis of his last performance. shahzad to me has been drafted in way too early. Shafiq plays as an opener for his domestic team and scores at a decent SR of 80 - it is better to have a guy who can last 20 overs and keep the wickets n tact than having Shahzad who has a brain freeze every other over.
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Sledger
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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 8:44am |
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So Canada under the cosh today and I don't see them causing any problems for the Aussies. That Australia were pretty ordinary against Kenya could well be the kick that they needed - today I expect them to hammer the poor Canadians.
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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 9:37am |
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Yep,it's a hammering , but it's the Aussies who are getting hammered !!
Canada 64-1 after 7 blistering overs !! Ponting's frown is bigger than normal ! |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:13pm |
 yup it was a bit of a scare early on for AUS but as expected they fight back and win comfortably in the end by 7 wickets. So even to this date AUS remain unbeaten, another WC where every other team has lost at least a game but AUS are still unbeaten. I told you guys, they rise to the occasion and it'll be foolish to count them out.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:26pm |
but why play an extra batsmen at all Zuhair, why not an extra bowler? they as it is bat very deep with Abdur Rahman at 9, he can easily bat at 8, I do not see any point in playing so many batsmen. |
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vote4peace
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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:34pm |
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Yeah I'm with sam over here. would like to see an extra bowler come in, which should give razzaq a chance to bat a bit higher and longer.
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Posted: 17 March 2011 at 2:53am |
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Pakistan has clearly got the batting wrong. If you're not opening with Kamran Akmal, he should bat down the order. Pakistan effectively have the most dangerous lower-middle order and lower order if they have Umar Akmal, Kamran Akmal, Afridi & Razzaq.
And I never did rate Shehzad. Shafiq looks to have a very good head from a test match i've seen him in. Pakistan don't have to be in a rush, they could easily be at 180-2 in 40 overs and still get around 280 and they have a competent bowling attack too. They enough X factor with Razzaq, Afridi.
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Posted: 17 March 2011 at 6:54am |
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The bowling unit will ultimately determine the winner of this world cup. Anyone notice that only SA have taken all 10 wickets within 50 overs in all their matches ? That has to be significant - they have a solid bowling unit that covers all bases from extreme pace to wrist spin. The more I think about it , the more I'm thinking of risking a few bob on them !
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vote4peace
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Posted: 17 March 2011 at 10:42am |
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Well in that case you may as well write off India's chances. As for SA they've always looked like the side to beat every other WC. We all know how that end. Don't we..
Jokes apart even i do think they do have a loud shout this time.. |
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Posted: 18 March 2011 at 2:21am |
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Posted: 18 March 2011 at 5:46am |
Yes it does daisy !! You tell me a side with a better one please. |
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Posted: 18 March 2011 at 5:49am |
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Interesting game in the making today , even though both have already qualified. New Zealand are missing Vettori and Mills , but both will be back for the quarterfinals. They're key players in their side and will battle to hold the strong Sri Lankan batting unit. The Lankans have yet to really fire in the tournament and will be looking for a big performance against a New Zealand side that's doing well - I take the home side to come out on top.
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