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    Posted: 17 January 2011 at 1:08pm
Please use this thread for discussion on Group B, which comprises Bangladesh, England, India, Ireland, Netherlands, West Indies, and South Africa.
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India's team has been announced... Interestingly they have picked Chawla ahead of Ojha while Rohit Sharma has been left out along with Ishant and sreesanth.
 
I think the bowling is very thin and I seriously doubt how effective nehra and Praveen will be in the subcontinent, the burden will be mostly and Zaheer and to an extent Munaf as far as pace bowling goes. Otherwise it is a good squad, batting as usual is extremely strong.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2011 at 12:15am
Sam, Praveen usually gets an early wicket or 2 for India, even in the sub continent.  He's a genuine swinger of the new ball but that means Nehra will have to bowl first change and Nehra lately has been picking up early wickets.  If Praveen isn't going to take the new ball, I don't see the logic in playing him though.
 
India bowling isn't going to be threatening, might as well they settle for Ashwin and Harbhajan along with Khan, Nehra and Yusuf Pathan as the all rounder.  The bowling very weak.  5th and 6th bowler could go for many.
 
This is the group to watch out for, I reckon Bangladesh might upset one of these bigger team and we all know Ireland has given it everything in these tournaments.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2011 at 5:32am
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This is the group to watch out for, I reckon Bangladesh might upset one of these bigger team and we all know Ireland has given it everything in these tournaments.


 There are 5 decent sides looking for 4 places SW , Ireland won't scare the big boys this time around.   West Indies will need to be at their best to snatch that 4th place - their match against Bangladesh will be crucial.
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Watch out for the first match folks - India Bangladesh - there are no favorites in thats match for sure. Bangladesh is not the weaker side of the group in my view.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2011 at 5:37pm
I agree on Praveen spinny but the thing is that these games will be played in indian summer on very flat tracks, there won't be any moisture or anything for the bowlers, I really don't know how Nehra and Praveen who bowl medium pace will manage to do anything significant with no help from the pitch and conditions.
 
BAN and WI both will surely do well, WI have always done well in India while BAN's spinners will be very vry difficult to tackle on dry summer wickets, they can bowl 40 overs of decent spin in every game, that is their strength.
 
ENG traditionally have done very poorly in the subcontinent, they have a very good side this time but they shouldn't be complacent.
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Bangladesh won't be able to win against India,WI,England,SA.If they beat Ireland that will be good result.
Very first match India will give them a lifetime thrashing , it is long time due ( Revenge for 2007 world cup exit would be the only thing on Indians mind , once they reach safety ).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2011 at 7:17am
I'm glad England aren't playing Bangladesh first up.  They'll be really fired up in front of their own fans and not having lost yet , will be full of self belief.  From an England perspective I'm hoping they'll be a pretty deflated side by the time they play England.
          Raj's comment about India belting Bangladesh might well prove correct , but I'd bet India would take any sort of win against them right now.
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I don't see BD going out that easily. They are a strong outfit at home conditions and they have better spinners than the Indian team. I will be looking forward to that match as an important one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2011 at 4:35pm

IND v BAN will be a real cracker of a game I think. BAN will have nothing to lose and going by their team they'll be oozing with confidence of beating any team in the competition.

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Big news - WI select Sarwan in the WC team... they have named a formidable unit.
 
Spinny must be very happy, the team looks good and I'm very happy for Sarwan.
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Ya , it will be cracker of a game for sure. Probably only one team bursting crackers Wink .
 
- Whatever the case , the above statment will be true Big%20smile.
 
India will not take BD lightly.They will play by "safety first" principle, If they feel they are secure, then it will be one way traffic (if India bat first).
 
(If India chase) In ODI's chasing has to respected no matter what small target it is and should be done with caution, no scope for heroism.
 
For those who are expecting BD to win agaisn't India, ya their words can be true, but it's like 5% or less. I will never bet for an underdog when chances are so so so...less.
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Its 30 percent for me Raj. And they will have this much chance against almost every test team they play in the WC.
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Its 30 percent for me Raj. And they will have this much chance against almost every test team they play in the WC.
30% is pushing even if their top order gets to a good start like 100-1.
 
If they loose like few early wickets then they don't have the ability to come back. They do not have maturity of building and winning on consistent basis.They will win occassional one or two match here and there.
 
I know you have been buyont about their chances, but it is not their talent I doubt but the temperment that they lack. One thrashing from some team and self belief will dive to ground.
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That above post by Raj is perhaps one good post he has posted in a long long time... anyways I agree with most of what he has written above, but I also agree with Zuhair, they'll have about 30% chance of winning against every major team they play.
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I think India's batting attack will be too good for the oppositions they come up against.  Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni, Pathan will be quite challenging for bowlers.  Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina, Pathan and Dhoni are fireworks players and even guys like Tendulkar and Gambhir can score at a fast rate too.

The sad thing for India is, other than Harbhajan and Khan, the run rate won't be under much control when the opposition is batting.  Munaf bowls good line and length but sometimes he can lose it. 
 
Oh, one more thing, Sam is spot on with West Indies.  They do indeed play very good ODI cricket in India.  Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul will find playing easily.  If I were teams, i'd be extremely worried about Chris Gayle.  He has matured immensely over the last 2-3 years.  Those Indian conditions are setting up a lot of bowlers to get carnaged by him.
 
The bowling isn't threatening but bowlers like Gayle, Sammy, Pollard, Benn won't do too bad, they're accurate and don't really provide the pace to get away easily.  Still though, they're not capable of defending low scores.  Gayle and Sarwan will have to have a great tournament if West Indies are to do better than expected but I think they'll be competitive though.


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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

That above post by Raj is perhaps one good post he has posted in a long long time... anyways I agree with most of what he has written above, but I also agree with Zuhair, they'll have about 30% chance of winning against every major team they play.
This is height of (un)intentional sarcasm. Sam says I just post rubbish all the while. Okay! no problem Wink, if that makes you happy.
 
Ok regarding the 30% , I bet if Zuhair changes his odds tommorow to something like say .. umm 37.32% chances for winning , I know Zuhair wouldn't do that but still if he does, you'd exactly agree uptill the second decimal point with him.
 
That I am 100% sure.


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You have obviously been away from the forum of late Raj - me and Sam disagree on more things than we agree. And I don't doubt your research skills one bit - you can instead look back and find that out mate.
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Smile and to add to that if one consideres something to be not good it doesn't mean he considers it to be rubbish. You are putting words in my mouth Raj.
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Ok ok , now I get it Sam. It's like saying ... "I have not seen a good post by Sam yet in this forum".
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One thing you guys have failed to realise is that Sam is a married man, he's now trained in the art of having arguments and leaning on every technicality to get out with some sort of victory.
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you are entitled to your opinion Raj.
 
No Spinny, No, there the least you can do is say "sorry" even when you know that you are right..


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But you are never right once married Sam.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:52am
ya, that is what I meant Zuhair.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 January 2011 at 4:39pm
Quite right folks, you're never right, even with this girl I does talk a bit too, when I figure she's in an arguing mood, I does respond with "ok" and she does catch on saying, "you saying ok to get me to shut up?"
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England have confirmed that Morgan will miss the tournament, a real shame that the main ODI competition will be missing one of the most exciting players in this format.

Ravi Bopara will replace him, and as most will know, I am a big fan, so hope he can have a good tournament and get himself back in the regular reckoning for all formats.
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Morgan is a big loss, has been England's best ODI batsman of late (if you exclude Trott from the resently concluded series).
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England have confirmed that Morgan will miss the tournament, a real shame that the main ODI competition will be missing one of the most exciting players in this format.

Ravi Bopara will replace him, and as most will know, I am a big fan, so hope he can have a good tournament and get himself back in the regular reckoning for all formats.

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He isn't that bad flipper!!!  Smile
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He isn't that bad flipper!!!  Smile
Yeah I know sam, should really get behind the young man, Like i've got much of a choice now Morgan has gone. Hope he plays well but I can't see it. Mrs. flipper hates his guts and has done ever since the 'put my name on the honours board'  gesture at Lords.
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