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Topic: Group D (West Indies, Pakistan, Ireland, Zimbabwe)Posted: 14 March 2007 at 5:34am |
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Titan , I hope your signature is closer to the mark than this prediction!! |
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143no
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 5:37am |
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It just wasn't swinging at all for him, and it dosen't look like he has a back up plan, he is struggling definately.
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bondy
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 6:00am |
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When writing my predication I actually stumbled a bit. I'd actually written "West Indies but only just" though I corrected it and wrote Pakistan. I guess the warm-up matches influenced me a little too much. Pakisatan had a chance to win. With Inzy and Yousef at the crease they looked steady, but certain. As soon as they went, it was over.
All I can say is that this WC is going to be very, very close.
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Good one Graham!
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 6:41am |
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Anyone else disappointed in the crowd at the start of the
match? I was at Newlands for game 1 in 2003 - it was packed to
the rafters!
If they can't fill the place for the Windies/Pakistan fixture , I think we're going to see a lot of empty stadiums for the minnow clashes. |
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Titan
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:31am |
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Pakistan should have chased down 241, but they are so unpredictable. I think it will be wise not to bet on any games where they are involved in!
I thought the windies was 30 runs below par on that track!
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Titan
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:38am |
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I was very disappointed with the crowd and the match! The match was far from a classic, the game never got going and wasn't at all exciting.
Maybe we got spoiled by the great games in the recent VB series!
What was your thoughts on the opener?
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Sledger
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:49am |
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It was okay , but Pakistan looked flat when they batted. I
agree that the home side were 20-30 short , it shows how far off the
pace the Pakistanis really are.
I thought the pitch was decent and if the rest are similar , no-one should complain. |
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bondy
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:52am |
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No team structure. No leadership. No outstanding bowler. I'm writing them off. This early? Yes, this early.
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Good one Graham!
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Titan
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:59am |
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I agree Bond, after seeing them yesterday, I don't think they are serious contenders anymore! Yousuf , Inzy or Khan might win a match or two for them, but besides them, it is darkness! |
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 9:32am |
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Good to see Smith hinting at his ability. All too often he has flattered to deceive but there is no question he has a certain something about him to be a really big player but you can't help but feel his attitude is somewhat lacking. Maybe this is where he turns it around.
Since no one else mentioned it, and even the commentators were rather laid back about it, I'll just comment that Bravo's caught and bowled was absolutely fantastic. It is a testament to his athletic ability that he made it look as graceful and effortless as he did. |
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 10:03am |
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I was at Newlands for Smith's run a ball hundred Clobs - he really
smited that ball!! Until yesterday I haven't seen a glimmer of
it since , let's hope he's going to knuckle down now.
Yep , it was a fine effort by Bravo - a fine impersonation of Monty wasn't it! |
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Chin Music
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 10:21am |
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It was great to see how passionate the WIndies players were about it, they got so excited at every wicket didn't they? I really think the desire that has sometimes lacked a bit is back, and should mean them playing out their skins. I thought they bowled really well accross the board, with the exception of the Inzy-Yousuf partnership when they should have tried to make something happen, and although I didn't see them bat it sounds like there were flashes of great batting, if they can only cut out the tendency to collapse
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bondy
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 10:30am |
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Poor match all in all, hope it isn't an indication of what's to come. Though we haven't seen Australia, SA or NZ yet, or even India. Man i'm excited of what's to come over the next month, oh no wait, month and a half!
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Good one Graham!
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 11:56am |
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I expect the top teams will heat up come the business end.
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scuudz
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 12:13pm |
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It was a poor performance from Pak in all depts. Only Ifthikar did his thing well. The Windies must be happy that almost all of their batsman got to play a bit. Dwayne Smith must have a lot fewer critics now.
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Mojo
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 12:16pm |
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It's funny how the most valuable player in the Pakistan side currently is the most undermentioned... Why doesn't anyone ever talk about Shoiab Malik? I don't think the Paks would go anywhere without him at this point in time...
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 1:12pm |
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Anyone remember Azhar Mahmood? I think he is pretty good. I dont know why Rana Naved was picked for the opening match. Malik's effort was a valiant one no doubt.
I am not sure how big a role the coach plays in team selection in Pak but I thought Pak got their selection wrong and considering Bob Woolmer was around....its very surprising.
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 1:33pm |
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Totally agreed bond. They are never going to come back. Let's hope that they can make it to super8 (Irish players must have their eyes lit by yesterday's performance of Pak!!!) |
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 1:57pm |
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Yes GC , the Irish might just scent a chance of glory and the super 8's !
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 2:58pm |
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And St. Patty's day is coming up too!!! Could it be a sign?
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Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:43pm |
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I don't know why but as a pakistani fan i am most nervous when any two from the big 3 are playing together. I think they do well if the play with youngster at one end. i hope they play Yasir in place of rana and drop Kaneria and play Mehmood. Well done to westindian team they totally deserved it
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:23am |
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What about Imran Nazir? Like Afridi, he has only one match to perform out of 100 played!!! I think Malik should open the batting and Nazir should be replaced by Arfat. Mahmood may replace Rana. Give Kaneria a few more chances to show his ability in ODIs. I don't think its fair to play one of the most talented bowlers in only one ODI and then drop him just becoz he didn't perform as good as expected. Yes, Windies were simply brilliant on field. They created their own chances by bowling so tight. I always think its very difficult to beat them on their home soil. Edited by GreenCap - 15 March 2007 at 5:25am |
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:29am |
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I dont think Kaneria has lived up to the hype. His performances havent set the world ablaze for quite a while now. However, dropping him to bring in Mahmood would lessen the variation in Pak's bowling attack.
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143no
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:31am |
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Is it worth the trade off for his batting and feilding?
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:34am |
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I would bring him in but not at the expense of Kaneria. I'd drop Rana instead.
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:48am |
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It's amazing just how far Rana has fallen - two years ago he couldn't
stop taking wickets and now he can't buy one for love nor money.
Shows how a dip in confidence can wreak havoc - the lad can't help bowling 4-balls. |
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:51am |
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I expect to see big changes in Pak's XI for their next match.
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 8:25am |
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Only four changes can be made. If they make three of them, it would mean a real pathetic choice for the tournament opener. |
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 8:33am |
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I agree and it would smack of panic too. Let's face it if the
Pakistani's can't see off Zimbabwe and Ireland with ease , they
shouldn't have even bothered to go.
Now if they were to lose and get eliminated, just what would be left of their houses when they returned home - my guess is , not a lot! |
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 9:06am |
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Pakistan has lost poorly, no doubt, but no matter what they will beat the minnows with comfort and probably i would stick with Nazir and kaneria , and probably give sami two matches in place of navid. No need to change any one except Navid as he is not improving at all.
Real problem for pakistan is the absence of 4th quick bowler as to which bowler they should bring in for 2nd power play cant let hafeez , shoab or kaneria bowl early, probably afridi will be an option on his return but till then bowling all three seemers for 20 overs is a bit too much.
Pakistan should back themselves and produce a better performance against ireland and zimbabwe and probably plan for their matches for super 8, certainly I see them in super 8, and rate them to win atleast three matches, against Kiwis, England and lankans, they will lose against ausies and SA and probably match against india will decide their final popsition
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so far so good!
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