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Bye bye pakistan!!!! we hav lost big time!!! maybe all the 6 matches!!!
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Well I beieve pakistan will make it into super 8 but thats all they will do this time, my opinion we will have south Africa, India, Sri lanka, and West indies/Australia reaching to the final four, and probably an india /srilanka/south africa final.
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Pak will make it to the second round still. Without Asif, I can't see them making the finals at all. Their other bowlers can go for a lot! Their spinners might come up thrumps for them though! Give all of them the alloted number and they might make it.
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Well if you all think that Pak are going to perform badly in the world cup and I don't think that west indies are going to do good either then this group is really a terrible one! I am sorry for the people in Jamaica who has paid their hard earned money to see these teams in this group because Zim is no good, I don't know much about Ireland so needless to comment on them, West Indies' squad is rubbish and you all think Pak is going to perform bad. Pak and West Indies may have a real contest going on between them to see which team is worse.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote wiseguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2007 at 3:53am
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Well if you all think that Pak are going to perform badly in the world cup and I don't think that west indies are going to do good either then this group is really a terrible one! I am sorry for the people in Jamaica who has paid their hard earned money to see these teams in this group because Zim is no good, I don't know much about Ireland so needless to comment on them, West Indies' squad is rubbish and you all think Pak is going to perform bad. Pak and West Indies may have a real contest going on between them to see which team is worse.

Sorry mate you have a very wrong assessment of the situation, windies have almost the team they would have wanted, no injuries etc, they have the combination tried and tested, so the material is there, yes bowling generally looks a bit inexperienced, but thats the best they have. So we can expect them to perform to their potential and their batting will do the rest.
Pakistan on the other hand is facing almost the same problems as ausies might, they do not have any combination in their bowling. To try and get it right in the world cup is less than likely, Danesh Kaneria has not played ODI for almost a year, sami , navid, azhar, and razzak have been poor in the last outing. Gull just struggling to get fit, afridi not available for two more matches, so where will they get a combination, even the die hard fans fail to find many positives!
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Razzaq absent now! PAK hopes are fading but the good news is that Gul makes it! I think he has played exceptionally for them of recent times! PAK still have the firepower middle order so they still have some hope; I mean, a great total alone might give them a psychological boost!
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I don't think Pakistan has to worry too much, they are a country with lots of talented nation. SO their is easy replacement for an injured player.
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Well if you all think that Pak are going to perform badly in the world cup and I don't think that west indies are going to do good either then this group is really a terrible one! I am sorry for the people in Jamaica who has paid their hard earned money to see these teams in this group because Zim is no good, I don't know much about Ireland so needless to comment on them, West Indies' squad is rubbish and you all think Pak is going to perform bad. Pak and West Indies may have a real contest going on between them to see which team is worse.

Sorry mate you have a very wrong assessment of the situation, windies have almost the team they would have wanted, no injuries etc, they have the combination tried and tested, so the material is there, yes bowling generally looks a bit inexperienced, but thats the best they have. So we can expect them to perform to their potential and their batting will do the rest.
Pakistan on the other hand is facing almost the same problems as ausies might, they do not have any combination in their bowling. To try and get it right in the world cup is less than likely, Danesh Kaneria has not played ODI for almost a year, sami , navid, azhar, and razzak have been poor in the last outing. Gull just struggling to get fit, afridi not available for two more matches, so where will they get a combination, even the die hard fans fail to find many positives!
Windies have almost the team they would have wanted?????Confused Yeah of course the selectors CHOSE the team that they wanted but it definately is NOT the best team that could have been chosen. That is NOT the best bowlers they have on that team. You are dead wrong about that........Ravi Rampaul should have been on that squad...he is in form right now as we saw in the recent regional matches. He and Taylor would have been a good fast bowling combination. How can their batting do the rest when they have people like Samuels, Dwayne Smith and the inexperienced Simmons???? Dwayne Smith should NOT be on that team. Samuels is not a consistant player. He has potential but he is NOT consistant. He performs off and on and whenever he actually makes a good score everyone gets sooo estatic about it. I think that Simmons was not a good choice for the world cup squad. Confused I don't think he made much runs in the last regional match against Barbados so hopefully he gets some form for the world cup.
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Daisy you must be knowing about west indian cricket more than me for sure, but you have not quoted the names of replacements for Samuels , smith and simmons, and I am damn sure there aren't many players left that have been dropped. One player Ravi rampal you mentioned, probably has never played international cricket, so how could they get him in just on domestic performance. Well i dont see major selection problems , unfortunately the pool is not that big to chose from and if a very talented player is drafted so soon , we might see an early ruined career. Yes natives know better but at times the level of competition in domestic is not such to clearly indicate the true potential of a player. Secondly over a period of year and a half I have followed windies team and I dont see any mightily talented palyer missing in the list. Personal likes and dislikes besides, I dont think they could have gone for any one better based on the performance for the last year or so!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wiseguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2007 at 3:59am
Loss of Razak will be a very big blow for pakistan, his experience and potential would have been a great asset for pakistan after sure absence of asif and Shoab. Reports say there is still a slim chance of Asif appearing but Shaob is definately a dead bet for sure. Razak was the player expected to be really effective on west indian pitches specially for his hitting in the last ten overs, so another big loss to already depleted pakistan side!

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Oh that’s the end of it!! Razzaq was a major hope for Pakistan if they were to win ANY matches in super 8!!! Now its all gone!! Azhar Mahmood is just crap. Razzaq was quality in one day cricket and especially in windies conditions!! I will be surprised if Pakistan now manages to beat any team in the WC super 8 rounds in the absence of Asif Akhtar and Razzaq!!

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What happened to Razzaq?
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Don't loose hope guys Pakistan still has a good chance of performing well in WC ... just pray that asif and shoaib accompany pakistan team ... we still have good hitters and good batsmen but the main concern is our bowling which can only be removed if asif and shoaib get fit and get -ve in dope test . 
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Yes, Razzaq is an absolute loss! He just suits the ODI version!!
 
I would agree with Daisy! There are players who could have been there for Dwayne Smith like Emrit! He played on those bowlers graveyard in India and because of that, they dusted him! It just shows what the WI selectors are - they want you to perform as soon as you have been picked. They went on and on with Dwayne Smith but not someone else like Emrit who is a much more potent bowler, a fine fieldsman and a good enough batter to help out at the end. The Selectors need a brain transplant!
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I think Danish Kaneria should be played in all matches now. If no Asif, Shoib, Razzaq, then Kaneria will be the only bowler capable of playing the strike bowlers role.

Rana, Rao and Azhar are not reliable at all.

Inzi will have to use his bowlers intelligently. I think more than half of the overs should be bowled by spinners.

And Rana has taken wickets at an average of just 9.0 in the last ten overs (over the last year).

So Pak can still do some good job even with the crippled bowling lineup if used intelligently!!!
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Which four team s wll come on top from each group ??
 
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A   Australia
 
B  India
 
C New Ze Land
 
D  Pakistan
 
 
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I think Danish Kaneria should be played in all matches now. If no Asif, Shoib, Razzaq, then Kaneria will be the only bowler capable of playing the strike bowlers role.

Rana, Rao and Azhar are not reliable at all.

Inzi will have to use his bowlers intelligently. I think more than half of the overs should be bowled by spinners.

And Rana has taken wickets at an average of just 9.0 in the last ten overs (over the last year).

So Pak can still do some good job even with the crippled bowling lineup if used intelligently!!!
 
What about Shoaib Malik?? He's a pretty decent bowler in the middle overs.
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Daisy you must be knowing about west indian cricket more than me for sure, but you have not quoted the names of replacements for Samuels , smith and simmons, and I am damn sure there aren't many players left that have been dropped. One player Ravi rampal you mentioned, probably has never played international cricket, so how could they get him in just on domestic performance. Well i dont see major selection problems , unfortunately the pool is not that big to chose from and if a very talented player is drafted so soon , we might see an early ruined career. Yes natives know better but at times the level of competition in domestic is not such to clearly indicate the true potential of a player. Secondly over a period of year and a half I have followed windies team and I dont see any mightily talented palyer missing in the list. Personal likes and dislikes besides, I dont think they could have gone for any one better based on the performance for the last year or so!
 
Ravi Rampaul has played international cricket for the west indies alreadyConfused. He has not played a lot of matches of course but he has played international cricket already. OK here's who I think should replaced those players that I said should not have been chosen. Instead of Dwayne Smith they should have chosen Reyad Emrit. He has played international cricket before. I remember him playing in one match in the recent pepsi cup in India. Richard Kelly could have been chosen instead of Samuels and sadly enough I have not come up with a replacement for Simmons but there must be some player that could have been a good replacement for him.
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Come on Daisy, you know for sure, no one has seen rampaul, or Emrit, or kelly so far, they can be drafted in just for the sake of experience, but such a big occasion can do a lot of harm to a young talent. Samuels and smith are definately the weak link but they are surely not the part of playing 11 for most matches, and probably selected as part of 15 players.
 
Infact I have seen the similar thing in Pakistan oppeners too, Salman butt failed 5 times , everyone called for imran farhat, he was given a long run failed badly every one called for imran nazir, now after seeing dismal performance of nazir and hafeez people want salman butt back, without realizing that he has not done anything worthwhile in any domestic game for the last one year.
 
We all generally take bad performance of one player to be the criteria for selection of some one else thinking that he would atleast be better, but the real criteria should be the players's own performance against better sides in side matches to merit him a place. Generally a few good innings in domestic doesnt reflect anything specially in countries like india pakistan and west indies where hardly any of the national players feature in domestic games.
 
Infact same has happened for the bowlers in Pakistan, Imran khan has a lot of say in cricket matters he has been an ardent advocate of Mohammad Sami, but never had the guts to dispell his performance in south africa where he struggled poorly on bowler friendly tracks.
 
So generally I have seen a lot of biased opinions by ex cricketers just to keep their lobby happy. Another example, Ramiz raja has been against shoab Mallik palying as an openers in one dayers for pakistan, and once he saw so many oppeners tried and failed in the last year, now he is backing shoab Malik as a opener.
 
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BREAKING NEWS
 
ASIF AND AKHTAR OUT OF WORLD CUP
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BREAKING NEWS
 
ASIF AND AKHTAR OUT OF WORLD CUP
 
Off course breaking but not heart breaking, that confirms one thing both are still positive for nandrone, and unfortunately due to lack of ability in ICC to get all contracted players tested by a central lab atleast quaterly, they will again wait till they get cleared.
 
Sorry friends, I dont support individual testing by boards, even if its very honest and professional, either have dope tests by a central body , or dont have any. On the other hand I would always mantain dope testing in cricket is totally unnecessary as performance enhancing drugs hardy add anything to the talent of any cricketer except may be get him fit quicker to be back in the game!
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Not very good news from Pakistan Camp, Shoab and Asif almost 90% to miss the world cup, they would be excused on the basis of injury. But the speculations have been that both players have secretly been tested for banned drugs, and the results do not suggest them to go for the world cup risking a life ban. Pakistan Captain and team officials will beat about the bush till the 11th hour as to keep the hopes of pakistanis around the world high and probably bookies interested, and finally they will declare themselves unfit for the cup.
A lot of us guessed such a senerio on this forum, but things are shaping up eventually like that, expect a few statement from pakistan as to both bowlers declared unfit for a month or so , but still are they too sick to just appear for a dope test ?
Probably Sami and Azhar Mehmood likely replacement, and with them pakistan's chances will go down the drain!
 
The reason offcourse will be injuries needing atleast rest for a few more weeks!LOLEmbarrassedWinkCryDeadClap
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yes indeed..but its nothing new!!! it was on the cards....PCB doesnt want to miss them for long!! itd evidnt that they failed the private dope test!!! Now, when people say that individuald dont matter will see how much do they matter. Pakistan will face thier worst ever period in ODI cricket in  the super 8 round
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What about Shoaib Malik?? He's a pretty decent bowler in the middle overs.

 
Kaneria's selection has got nothing to do with Malik. He's a good bowler and a handy batsman!!!
 
Kaneria, Hafeez, Malik and Afridi can share the ball alongwith Gul, Naveed and Azhar Mahmood.
 
Malik and Hafeez can open the batting.
 
So this will form a team with six bowlers who have bowled regularly over the year at international level and the 7th one is Azhar.
 
3 solid batsmen, 5 all rounders.
 
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Is there any chance for shoaib and aisf to call back during the world cup
 in second round or quarter,if they get fit, nd clear the dope test? and i m thinkg they wll call to razzak as well , because he need only two more week rest. hope so
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pak need a solid opner bat, should call sulman butt, pak has good middle order i mean best, untill opner s doesnt produce a good start, the whole pak match wll depend only on opener s , nothing else . if there wll be a good target every one wll ball on th line and his best.
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No, once the squad is confirmed, that's it.

There's no way back in for the injured players.
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Asif,raz and Akthar.I dont think much would have happened even with these 3 players.Pakistan even with these three never had any great chance.
 
Asif is a good bowler in tests only , but in ODI's he has consistently failed be it against  Indian side or against SA. Regarding Razzaq ,yes they miss his batting pyrotechniques , but he too dosent often perform consistently.
 
Akthar , I have hardly seen him to complete a big tournament without being injured and left out in the middle of the tournament.
 
No point in cribbing , they have a pretty decent batting line up , and also a good bowling line up[gul,hassan and co].All they have to do is play sensibly.ODI is anyone's game in crutial matches.
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Come on Daisy, you know for sure, no one has seen rampaul, or Emrit, or kelly so far, they can be drafted in just for the sake of experience, but such a big occasion can do a lot of harm to a young talent. Samuels and smith are definately the weak link but they are surely not the part of playing 11 for most matches, and probably selected as part of 15 players.
 
Infact I have seen the similar thing in Pakistan oppeners too, Salman butt failed 5 times , everyone called for imran farhat, he was given a long run failed badly every one called for imran nazir, now after seeing dismal performance of nazir and hafeez people want salman butt back, without realizing that he has not done anything worthwhile in any domestic game for the last one year.
 
We all generally take bad performance of one player to be the criteria for selection of some one else thinking that he would atleast be better, but the real criteria should be the players's own performance against better sides in side matches to merit him a place. Generally a few good innings in domestic doesnt reflect anything specially in countries like india pakistan and west indies where hardly any of the national players feature in domestic games.
 
Infact same has happened for the bowlers in Pakistan, Imran khan has a lot of say in cricket matters he has been an ardent advocate of Mohammad Sami, but never had the guts to dispell his performance in south africa where he struggled poorly on bowler friendly tracks.
 
So generally I have seen a lot of biased opinions by ex cricketers just to keep their lobby happy. Another example, Ramiz raja has been against shoab Mallik palying as an openers in one dayers for pakistan, and once he saw so many oppeners tried and failed in the last year, now he is backing shoab Malik as a opener.
 
 Pathetic experts I believe unfortunately influence minds of a lot of fans.
Before I start to respond to your post I have one question for you. Couldn't you at least summarize your post???Confused Let's hope that you are right about Smith and Samuels not being part of the playing eleven for most of the matches. Even though most people would not know about these players does not mean that they don't deserve to be on the world cup squad. You said that a big event like the world cup could cause harm to these young players and maybe you are right...but just remember there are two young, inexperienced, completely new to the international stage players that were selected for the world cup already so all I am saying is that if those two players were selected why can't Emrit and Rampaul be selected as well. Afterall both Rampaul and Emrit has played at least one international match each. While Pollard has not played ANY international matches and yet he was selected for the world cup. Simmons played one international match I think.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wiseguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2007 at 5:47am
Samuels and smith have been with the squad for almost a year now, so not as , new, and probably selectors still think they can produce something, but to test another set of debutanta wont help, and then everyone would be saying that not enough chace has been given to these particular guys. Sorry my post dragged on with some pakistani examples!
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