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samir 
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Joined: 12 March 2006 Location: Bangladesh Posts: 5 |
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 Topic: help with fast bowlingPosted: 12 March 2006 at 2:44pm |
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hi, im an aspiring fast bowler, and i have got some problems with my speed. my runup has a pretty good rhythm, i run about 10 paces before delivery. but i still cant get much speed. my coach said that its probably because my front foot doesnt stay straight during delivery. can someone help me solve this problem?
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warnester
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Posted: 12 March 2006 at 2:48pm |
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thats a hard one, that would have to be re organized by you, i dont think there is anything we can do there, dislocate your ankle?
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bighitter
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Posted: 12 March 2006 at 8:06pm |
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Maybe, a longer run up? You may have good rhythem but not enough speed. Start with small steps and as you get closer to the crease increase your speed and length of stride. Don't forget a high arm and full follow through. Hope this helps a bit.
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samir
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Posted: 13 March 2006 at 7:33am |
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thanx...i'll try this at practice today...appreciate it
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Rambo_123UK
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Posted: 13 March 2006 at 11:41am |
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Having your foot braced rather than bending it to cushion the shock will definitely give you a bit more pace but the most important thing is not losing your momentum as you get through the crease. It's no good running up like a madman if you lose all the forward momentum as you deliver the ball. How's your follow through? Does it take you a few paces down the wicket or do you come to a stop after delivering the ball? I'd suggest you video your action (from a couple of different angles if possible) to check it's ok. Seeing what I was doing wrong rather than just being told try this or that helped me sort out my rhythm and action, helping me bowl faster and with a better line. If you can watch the video with the coach, even better.
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Smack
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Posted: 13 March 2006 at 3:22pm |
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^ I'd agree that bracing the front leg would help you generate more pace. By bracing your front leg you can push your body weight into the delivery. You should try watching Brett Lee bowl then try copying it lol. |
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samir
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Posted: 13 March 2006 at 3:37pm |
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im not really sure about my follow through...i go a few paces, but thats more coz i do it deliberately than coz of my momentum. i say deliberately coz i always knew follow through was important, but i never knew why...i just did it anyway tho.
so basically, i stop after delivery, my momentum doesnt carry me on |
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minimurali
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Posted: 13 March 2006 at 4:13pm |
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A longer run-up but not too long. Make sure you hit top speed as you approach the crease but if you're run-up is too long you will get worn out and not bowl as quickly. Its finding the right length that is the key. There was another thread on this a while ago, I'll try and get the link. |
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minimurali
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Posted: 13 March 2006 at 4:15pm |
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http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1138&a mp;PN=1 There's two pages of this, there's bound to be something useful in there. |
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quicky
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Posted: 15 March 2006 at 8:13pm |
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wot i did was find a field, close my eyes, mark the point where i start then run and when it feels comfortable and your rythme is god bowl, doesnt matter where the ball goes, get a friend to watch where your delivery stride was and then mark it out, and see how many paces it was and then use that in future, its not just run up though, you may need to build up your muscles!!
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samir
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 2:35pm |
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yeah, thats pretty much wat i did....find an open field, run in till it felt comfy, and let go of the ball. course, my body strength is probably a factor, here....i guess i need to get stronger to bowl faster. have you guys got any ideas on wat to do about that?
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samosa
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 5:00pm |
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My coach taught me to grunt like serena williams when I bowl, saying it will increase my bowling speed. But now batsmen complain saying it is very distracting.
Especially Bando (who horribly disfugured me by smacking my head with the bat) claims that my shriek reminds him of a man being strangled to death. |
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 5:26pm |
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How does that make you faster?
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crownmethod
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 3:20am |
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Thats odd, so really, how does that make you bowl faster?
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samosa
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 5:16am |
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http://www.roehampton.ac.uk/sparc/Deeleyarticle.asp
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crownmethod
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 5:29am |
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Im going to try it one day. I hope it works.
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RightHandBat
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 8:54am |
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To bowl faster, you should take a long runup which is comfortable for you. You can just jog in, or you can sprint, do what feels comfortable for you, personally for me, I jog in a generate the pace with my shoulder. I've hurt plently of batsman on the gloves, and toes. But again, do what feels best for you. As you start running in, take small paces, then as you get closer to the wicket, take larger paces, and just let it rip.
To get good pace, you should use a side-on bowling action, which is where you land your right foot (if you're a right arm bowler) parallel to the crease, which can also help you swing the ball away from the right hand batsman. It also helps to bowl close to the stumps, to improve your accuracy a little, and also cramp the batsman for room if you're bowling short to him. Also, grunting does help you generate more pace, because of the effort you put into your delivery, I do it all the time, sometimes to put off a batsman, or a fast one directed at the body of the batsman. It also helps to have a strong upper body, eg. chest, shoulders, etc. This can improve your speed quite a bit. Edited by RightHandBat |
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_JDR_
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 12:32pm |
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Just grunting helps you bowl faster ? Really, ok, well if it works for you well done. Not sure the "to put a batsman" off bit is in accordance with the spirit of the game however. Samir - I wouldn't be too concerned about pace at this stage. Not sure of your age, however I assume you are in your teens. Concentrate at the moment on your technique. Line and length. As you get older you will get stronger and faster, you will also learn to do more with the ball. If you can get your line and length perfect you will be good enough. Just remind yourself every day who the most successful Fast bowler in Test cricket is.... and remember he isn't all that fast (relatively speaking of course) Cheers. |
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Rafay
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 8:41pm |
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I don't know if grunting makes you actually bowl faster but for some
reason it makes me pull my action off smoothly with a follow-through
and all. Sort of makes you think you are releasing that little burst of
pent up energy. I used to grunt pretty much every ball before but now I
just don't really feel like I need to, no idea why, but it just doesn't
seem like it would help. On other days, however, I grunt without even
knowing it.
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quicky
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 10:15pm |
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i grunt and i think it hepls me bowl quicker, it feels as though a am putting power and pressure into my action, look at shot putters when they go for there launch they grunt, i don't know wot it is but in martial arts they teach to make this noise. it just works. apparen'tly i grunt alot wen i bowl without knowing it, brett lee does it, also when a bowl a bad ball my friends know wne it coming because i don't grunt Very funny. |
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quicky
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Posted: 17 March 2006 at 10:16pm |
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its not how fast u bowl its where you bowl
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RightHandBat
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Posted: 18 March 2006 at 6:31am |
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Grunting puts energy into your delivery. But, as JDR said, you should use Line & Length, today I wasn't bowling fast at all, and finished with figures of 5 overs, 1 maiden, 1/13. It's all about your Line & Length. If you can get it right, with some off cut, or leg cut, then you'll do good.
Today, I had the pleasure of dealing with a wet ball. As captain, my coach asked my to open the bowling, I got some of the best off and leg cut. It was great. Although, I wasn't proud of my wicket, it was a full toss, and the guy edged it to the wicket keeper. I was disappointed in him. But, as a fast bowler, I love the sound of the bails breaking, rather then a catch in the field, unless its an edge to the slips or something. Edited by RightHandBat |
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warnester
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Posted: 25 April 2006 at 8:56pm |
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where shoudl you point your foot when fast bowling? is it just where you land, i have a perfect body position but my left foot is pointing towards probably a metre wide of leg stump
im still accurate though any help?
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minimurali
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Posted: 25 April 2006 at 9:01pm |
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I think mine points straight towards the wickets but I'm not too sure.
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County Sim on extended break until I've got less work and more free time. When I have a specific date, I'll post it in the thread.
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warnester
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Posted: 25 April 2006 at 9:09pm |
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yeh but pollocks points to offstump, harmison wide of offstump and brett lee whatever he fancies
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spin wizard
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Posted: 25 April 2006 at 10:00pm |
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depends what action you use. when bowling with a side on action u get more pace, when bowling front on you get more reverse swing and less injuries and better direction. i use to bowl front on and get pace cause i was strong in the arm. To get stronger samir, do 10 or 20 push ups everyday, 10 for starters, eat meat and drink milk and i hope my tips above help you. |
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Rambo_123UK
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Posted: 26 April 2006 at 9:10am |
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Your front arm is more important than your front foot for line. It acts like a rudder andhelps you swing through in that direction. It should be pointing where you want the ball to go.
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retterimp
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Posted: 26 April 2006 at 3:36pm |
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i have a run up of about 26 yards, with a side-on action, and this
helps me get great momentum and makes me think that i'm releasing the
ball when i'm at the peak of my run up. Its all about what feels good,
really. To get good pace, first try bracing your front leg. When going
to bowl, i try to consciously think about putting my front leg high and
down powerfully on the ground. This way when you get into the coil, you
will not forget to brace your front leg. After you have that mastered,
you should use the leading arm. I have seen Wasim Akram use the leading
arm and I think that's how he generates most of his pace(roughly
84-87mph) after running in for abt 15 yards.
I havent been able to use my leading arm fully though. Can someone let me know abt how to use the leading arm? Can you practice using it or do you just 'have to be born with fast twitch muscles'? How do you guys practise the small processes? For e.g. do you guys first practice only bracing the front leg, and only once you've mastered it, do you move on to using the leading arm, or all at once? |
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aston_martin
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Posted: 02 May 2006 at 11:15pm |
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I think that you shouldn't try to bowl faster. I am a medium pace bowler and I take wickets - when I try to increase the pace I start messing it up big time. Focus on line and length. Why spend hours trying to bowl faster when you can just sneak a good one through his defences? |
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samir
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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 4:51pm |
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i found this site:
http://coachesinfo.com/category/cricket/44/ seems interesting, though a bit technical. it makes it sound that by following all the best methods, we can become great bowlers. |
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