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Sledger 
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The dew factor in Bangladesh is certain unless the world's weather has changed massively within 12 months !
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 26 January 2011 at 8:22am |
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That series was in Jauary beginning, there is a huge difference between January weather and late feb / march weather in the subcontinent sledge. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 26 January 2011 at 8:27am |
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I have played night cricket pretty much throughout the year here Sam. Rather played a match just day before and I had too bowl seamer as I could not grip the ball to bowl off spin. Incidentally I went to Bangladesh back in 1999 and it was either Jan or Feb and faced the same problem of gripping the ball as the dew was really heavy. So I am not sure what you saying mate.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 26 January 2011 at 7:37pm |
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Zuhair, most of you guys here know a lot more than me because you actually play competative cricket, I agree, sledge too knows far more than me, I agree on that too. But having said that, you don't really have to play cricket to know how much dew you'd expect in which season. I have never been to Bangladesh but then i think the weather there won't be too much different from Kolkata.
My point is simple, Sledge points out to a series played in january and says Toss will be a crucial factor in the WC matches because of the dew, but I say dew won't be as much of a factor in Late FEB / March as it will be in early January, because summer really sets in by the time we reach feb 19th.
Both the SF's of 96 WC were won by teams batting first (both D/N matches), and one of them was in fact held in Kolkata, both the QF's that were D/N in that tournament were also won by teams batting first.
So I think by scheduling most games as D/N affairs the ICC has done the right thing. It'l allow people to watch the games after work / school, it certainly won't affect the result significantly and personally I think D/N matches are more attractive as compared to day games.
As a matter of fact, I think it was 2003 WC held in RSA where playing under lights in Durban and Cape Town proved to be very difficult and it perhaps cost a few teams a super 6 berth.
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Posted: 27 January 2011 at 9:46am |
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I hope you're right Sam and dew isn't a problem , everyone just wants to see a fair contest.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 27 January 2011 at 3:15pm |
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absolutely sledge, lets hope so. Big news though is that Kolkata has been removed as the venue for IND-ENG encounter as the ICC thinks it is still not ready. HUGE set back this for the BCCI and also for bengal cricket association. Embarassing for the whole country.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 27 January 2011 at 8:00pm |
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Kolkata's atmosphere would have been electric for that contest, such a shame.
Anyhow, in regards to the dew factor, it all depends which part of India you're playing I reckon. I remember when Australia were playing India and they were in the South I think and there was dew affecting the bowlers. Ravi Shastri then said when the remaining games go to the North, the dew won't be a factor because it wouldn't be winter conditions there. It could be vice versa but my point is, that's probably what Sam is on about, maybe during the hotter months, dew wouldn't be a problem.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 28 January 2011 at 6:30am |
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Then the Indian weather really has to be entirely different form Pakistan. Because we have the dew thing nearly all year.
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Posted: 28 January 2011 at 7:07am |
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The Kolkata debacle is hugely embarrassing for the BCCI and a real problem for travelling English fans. The match is being moved to Bangalore and that's a long , long way from Kolkata! Not fair on the travelling fans or the players - to play in front of that enormous crowd is the stuff of dreams - very disappointing for everyone. I think the BCCI should compensate the ECB and the travelling fans for this shambles , but I'm sure nothing will happen.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 28 January 2011 at 7:58am |
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The BCCI says it is not their fault. it is ICC's.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/498480.html |
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Posted: 28 January 2011 at 8:02am |
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I can't agree with that mate - the tournament is in India and it's their responsibility to make sure the stadia are ready. Tis a very poor show by the Indians - 1st the Commonwealth Games and now this , shambolic.
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Posted: 28 January 2011 at 8:16am |
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But it isn't the worse thing to have happened methinks. Kolkatta crowd could go nuts if India does not do well. Let's see what happens of the other two matches which are scheduled to be played at the Eden Gardens.
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Posted: 28 January 2011 at 8:51am |
Sean Ervine's knocked back Zimbabwe , saying he's staying with Hampshire. Disappointing for Zim fans and probably the end of his international career. |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 29 January 2011 at 5:15am |
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well apparently the BCCI have "requested" the ICC to reconsider their decision. (I wonder if it is a request or an order!
 ) so things may change after another inspecton scheduled in the near future. The CWG was a different story but cricket WC is entirely different, it is a real shame that despite being the world's richest cricket board the BCCI can't put things in place. A poor poor country like Bangladesh is managing things better. Bangladesh will also host the opening ceremony.
Sean Ervine departure is indeed a huge set back for ZIM, although he has done it for personal reasons and this has nothing to do with problems with the people in charge as in the past, so that is the bright side of it.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 29 January 2011 at 5:24am |
will be somewhat different Zuhair, there are significant differences in the climate of various parts of India itself. Anyways we are not the only ones talking about the Dew factor, Harsha Bhogle has recently written on cricinfo that the summer is quickly setting in, temperatures are rising fast and that should mean we will have fair contests as the effect of Dew will be reduced significantly.
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Posted: 29 January 2011 at 8:17am |
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Great then - by the time the meaningful matches begin winters will be over anyways - so yes we can expect fair contests.
Saw a dream last night - not one I would like to see again though - saw India winning the World Cup beating South Africa in the final - Zaheer Khan takes the final wicket of Morkel caught at mid off by Parveen Kumar. |
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Posted: 29 January 2011 at 8:31am |
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ha..ha... believe me Zuhair, I also saw a dream a few days back (may be 1 week) it was PAK winning the WC and they were undefeated in the tournament. I was saying to myself in the dream, wow, exactly what I thought of.. can't remember who were the finalists though.
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Posted: 29 January 2011 at 9:05am |
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I do believe you Sam - yes its coming home. You will be anyways happy if either of the dream comes true unlike me.
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Posted: 29 January 2011 at 2:50pm |
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If not Pakistan then India or Bangladesh, of course BAN won't go as far but then these are the three teams I would like to see winning.
However, I'm very very keen on PAK winning this time Zuhair, esp this time because of various reasons. In all honesty I will not be happy if any team other than PAK wins. In case this doesn't happen then surely India or (if they can) Bangla.
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Posted: 30 January 2011 at 5:00pm |
1. ICC is not a puppet at BCCI's hands
2. Maybe it's just an eyewash show by ICC-BCCI
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Race to No 1 again ... started!
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Posted: 30 January 2011 at 8:16pm |
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i am very surprised that world cup 2011 on the haed and stadiums are still on the anvil but i hope asia will host this world come in good style
Edited by ahxnccj - 01 February 2011 at 2:38pm |
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Posted: 30 January 2011 at 11:48pm |
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Zuhair, you have good dream memory to remember such exact details. I'd have probably only remember one of the team or player if that much.
Anyhow, I think this will be a good WC. Australia is no longer the powerhouse they once was, no team is "invincible" at the moment. India's batting is powerful but their bowling bar Khan and Harbhajan could leave them very open to being on the losing side. Pakistan still has a competent bowling attack and probably the most dangerous lower order in Umar, Afridi and Razzaq. Hafeez has been batting well lately and with Misbah and Younis, they have some stability before the big guns come in.
West Indies will bat well, i'm certain of it. Look out for Chris Gayle, many bowlers should be trembling already, Gayle has matured immensely over the last few years. Barath and little Bravo is 2 very quality batsman and this batting order should be no walk over. The bowling will be tidy but nothing to worry teams. If they score 300, they will put up a fight. Average scores won't do it for them because the bowling doesn't have firepower to blow out anyone.
SA choking habit is their biggest worry. Probably nearest to the most complete side currently but I won't bet my house on them. England, don't think they'll be so much of a worry in the sub continent but they definitely will be much better than they have been in the past. Sri Lanka has a good chance too, Dilshan, Jayawardena, Sangakkara and the slower bowlers will be their main weaponry.
NZ should never be written off, always the dark horses yet better teams don't reach as far as they do. Bangladesh will be more competitive this time around and Zimbabwe is picking up the pace too.
A 10 team WC would have been very interesting this time around, no sitbacks would have been on the cards.
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Posted: 31 January 2011 at 1:06pm |
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2nd option is correct Raj
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Posted: 31 January 2011 at 5:16pm |
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Honestly I'm disappointed that Kolkata has been stripped of the IND-ENG game, there is nothing like watching a WC game at the Eden Gardens.
Yes, the ICC has taken a brave step and a move perhaps for the first time against the BCCI. However, I'm not too sure if the BCCI were keen to have it in Kolkata only, because the game still stays in India so it is not exactly a loss of the BCCI, it is a loss of the Bengal cricket association.
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Posted: 31 January 2011 at 11:17pm |
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Sam, that game would have been electric, would have been great to see it live on TV at least if not from the grounds.
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Posted: 01 February 2011 at 8:43am |
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Brilliant organisation by the ICC too , the ground with far and away the greatest capacity - just check out the stunning matches left at Eden Gardens , unmissable games !
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 3:57am |
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Meanwhile Michael Vaughan has put his money behind India and Pakistan to win the world cup. I don't know why he consider Pakistan as favorites. Anyway lets see!!
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 6:10am |
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Michael Vaughan as a pundit ? A decent enough player , but he's just sounding off because no-one listens to his usual dross Amal !
Everyone who's anyone knows it's a Bangladesh / England final !! |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 6:22am |
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Absolutely Sledge - funny that I think either one of these two teams is going to go out in the first round. I don't see Windies failing to qualify.
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 6:54am |
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Hmmmmmmmmm , the first match that SA play is against the Windies and that could give a good indication as to the Windies chances - I don't fancy them myself.
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