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kirankri 
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The QF will be between A1-before, A2-B3, A3-B2, A4-B1. How will they decide the semi-finalists?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 12:48pm |
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West Indies is going to surprise folks, they love batting in India!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 1:18pm |
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Yes, I do think so. I dont'think Windies will find it difficult to move swiftly to the second round. And BD wont find it that tough either. Someone has to go and that someone may well be a team which is 5-1 down, down under. There is a real thereat of that happening folks.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 02 February 2011 at 5:38pm |
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That is true, ENG are in danger and they need to get things right pretty quickly. can't see RSA or IND going out in the first round, if IND do then the crowd won't allow them to play cricket again, one among BAN, ENG, WI has to go, currently ENG look the weakest in subcontinental conditions. Graeme Swann will be their main man.
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Sledger
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 10:05am |
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England will qualify and qualify comfortably. They'll out catch and out field all in their group (including SA) and beat both Bangladesh and the West Indies.
So speaketh the Oracle !! |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 10:16am |
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I know you support England and they are a pretty decent side even after this performance - but they are nothing more than that. And Windies can give them tough time for sure. And if Tamim Iqbal gets going, England will not find it that easy. Yardy will be taken for plenty there, he will not get the bounce and he does not turn it. They will need a fit Broad and Bresnan to take them through. It is not as easy as you think it is for England this time Sledge.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 2:09pm |
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Sledger's post there was filled mainly with exuberance more than truth zuhair.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 3:29pm |
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Actually this group, Group B is really tough, we really can't say what will happen, Also we all have forgotten about Ireland, they won't qualify but have the ability to do some damage as well. Watch out for George Dockrell, he is some talent!
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 4:27pm |
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No upsets in this Group-B IND,SA,ENG and WI will qualify easily (put them any order you like) Upsets might happen on the other group guys (I don't see AUS or SL getting knocked out for sure). In Group A, ZIM and KEN are no pushovers by any chance, it's Pakistan and NZ have to be very careful.One match here and there,it will be curtains for them.If at all there is a upset , it has to be in Group A for sure.
Regarding BD, First BD's match is against India, and mark my words, this match might just derail all their confidance.India will take this match very very seriously.They were caught unawares last time, but not this time mates.
ENG,WI and SA all these team are capable of playing spin, I don't understand how BD stands a chance ?.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 4:31pm |
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Sorry in the other prediction thread, I had predicted SA to lose to BD. That is the only match I suspect BD to cause some upset in this world cup.(Just because of SA's ability to freeze and choke at times) |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 5:15pm |
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We will see. I think if we compare man to man, BAN are no less than any of those teams.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 6:11pm |
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I would fancy their chance if they were placed along with AUS,NZ and SA in the same group. BAN's strength is spin. IND,ENG and WI are pretty good against it.
Then the only chance of BAN upsetting will be SA as they ocassionally seem clueless against spin, but if Morkel and Styen fire as usual.Then all your hopes of BAN making to next round will vanish in thin air.
As I have predicted , to me top 8 test teams will make to next round, maybe Pakistan or NZ will miss out (5% chance of them missing out next round).
One bad thing , I'm getting strange feeling (no dreams though) that Pak might miss out.Not good news for you Sam.This feeling is getting kind of stronger just like the one I felt before the Ashes, that England is going to win Ashes down under.Hope my feeling does not come true for sake of cricket.
We need all top 8 test playing nations to fight it out in QF's. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 03 February 2011 at 6:27pm |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 03 February 2011 at 6:25pm |
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BAN is far better than ZIM & KEN.I am not belittling their ability ,but unfortunately BAN is placed in a very tough group.I mean ,the gulf between BAN and rest (IND,SA,ENG,WI) is so huge.
I give 5% to BAN against IND,SA,ENG,WI; If BAN was grouped with SL,AUS,NZ,PAK then I would fancy 20-25% chances.
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 5:25am |
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Bangladeshi's world cup rests on the first match against India. If they get pasted they'll disappear without trace , sneak a win and they'll be a thorn in everyone's side.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 6:19am |
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How many times have you seen Pakistan losing to Bangladesh Raj? And how many times has this happened to India? You will surely get your answer if you just bother tracing it mate. To make it easier for you, they actually have more chances to win against Eng, WIN and India than the teams in group A with the exception of NZL.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/results_summary.html?class=2;id=25;type=team |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 12:53pm |
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Thankfully, this current West Indies team has Gayle, Barath, Bravo jnr, Sarwan, Chanderpaul and Bravo snr, all players capable of playing spin. Good thing the likes of Marshall, Morton etc are not there. That's one headache gone.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 4:35pm |
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Thanks a lot Zuhair for making it easier for me but you need to do the perfect analysis too, now I shall make it really easier for you by doing an indetpth analysis for the link you sent.
First answering what you asked
1. PAK lost once in 26 matches, while India lost twice in 22 matches.Any big difference there ? Your statment would hold its weight if BAN had won like 5-6 matches against India in some 20 matches.
Now analayis of link,
BAN won 1 in 16 agaisn't AUS,1 in 26 against PAK,2 in 29 against SL,5 in 21 against NZ. This makes BAN won 9 out of 92 matches agaisn't Group A.Winning percentage = 9.8%
BAN won 1 in 14 against ENG,1 in 13 against SA,2 in 22 against IND,3 in 16 against WI. This makes BAN won 7 out of 65 matches against Group B.Winning percentage = 10.76%
I have EVEN considered BAN tour of WI, where WI main team did not participate. Still BAN's chances are not bright.
For your reference http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/25.html?class=2;host=4;opposition=4;spanmin1=01+jan+2009;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team;view=innings
You might be knowing Zuhair , this was not even second/third string WI attack.No big players at all in that tour, still see the scores were competative. If this series in not considered then the percentage falls to 6.45%. I won't do that as it was internationally recognised, but on a personal opinion, I know how much importance I should to that series.
Look , I was right about their 5% chance winning.To me this number don't matter , because we don't win matches on historical records.You seem to be interested, but even that does not favour them mate.This clearly shows they stand just less than 10% chance, against full strength team in group B its mere 5%.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 5:16pm |
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we do not have to discuss all that, we'll see that once the cup starts.
Two things I'm sure about though, PAK will easily make it to the QF's, BAN have a very good chance of making it to the QF's... and yes, I don't have an iota of doubt about this. :)
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 6:29pm |
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Then you say you dont have an iota of doubt. Obviously you will be right with this Sam whatever the outcome of BAN fortunes, I don't have an iota of doubt about this!.
Sam, I have one question, Did you make any prediction about BAN making into QF's?
EDIT: Just to ensure that you don't claim this to be a Prediction at later date, if BAN do qualify for QFs. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 04 February 2011 at 6:36pm |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 7:21pm |
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BAN will make it to at least the QF's of the WC and PAK will make it at least to the finals and I'm very confident about this.
My SF line up would be IND, RSA, PAK and I don't know who, but these three for sure.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 7:45pm |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 04 February 2011 at 7:49pm |
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If BAN will make it to QFs and PAK too, what if PAK tops the Group A, while BAN just grabs the 4th sport in Group B
 .If BAN qualify I will love this contest.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 05 February 2011 at 2:39am |
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That is highly unlikely Raj, but if it happens I'll surely go with PAK.
I'm actually disappointed because only one QF is on Satrday others all on working days and even both the SF's are on working days. D/N affairs means we can watch most of the 2nd half (say from 8 p.m) but I'd not want to miss any of the PAK KO games. However, I'm lucky as our client does not put any restriction on visiting sports sites otherwise some of my friends can't even follow it on cricinfo!
Will have to perhaps plan for leaves accordingly, I'm even sending my wife back to her home after MAR 5th as I certainly won't be able to give her time after that till 2nd APR.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 05 February 2011 at 2:42am |
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It will be winner of (A1 - B 4) v winner of (A3 - B2)
and winner of (A2 - B3) v winner of (A4 - B1) Edited by sam_ahmed - 05 February 2011 at 2:43am |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 05 February 2011 at 5:39am |
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You don't have option like working from home , or flexli timings in your company?. You need to ask(or fight) such facilites and make best use of those.
Never leave or miss out something that you love in life, Work comes third, Life comes first,Health comes second.Clients are like that , you need to handle them properly.The more you work, the more client wants from you, so you should never allow thier expectaions to cross our comfort levels.
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Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:26am |
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I have a GREAT GREAT feeling Sam that Pakistan is going to qualify for semis!!!!
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Cricket for peace!
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Now there's a contender for "The Kiss of Death Award 2011" !! |
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kahmad
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Posted: 07 February 2011 at 10:21am |
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For me India will be very hard to stop of winning it. Pakistan isn't astrong team, but i think only Pakistan and Sri Lanka would have chances to beat India in India.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 07 February 2011 at 10:50am |
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The format will allow all the top 8 teams good chances of making it to the semis - one good day and you can beat the stronger tea. So no matter how strong India are, they will have to play consistently good cricket to go all the way - and with their weak fifth bowling option, I think they will have one bad day for sure.
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If India's batting is on song and when I say on song I mean Sehwag, Yuvraj and Gambhir in form, then I think there is no stopping India. They seriously need Yuvraj back in form.
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