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    Posted: 03 October 2012 at 5:52am
So Pakistan remains the only team to have made to the semi finals of all the four World T20s played. Must be at least a decent T20 unit Pakistan.

Tough to pick favorites here - Pakistan have traditionally done wella gaisnt the Lankans no matter how good the Lankans' form is. Pakistan do pick Mendis better than most others - so it will be Malinga vs Pak spin duo (Ajmal and Raza).
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I also wish for a Pak - WI final, not Australia, they have won so much!

I think Pakistan have now become the only team in cricket's history to have made it to the SF's or better of 6 consecutive ICC events. correct me if I am wrong.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mystery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2012 at 8:03pm
Sadly Sam if Australia is in the final than they wont lose trust me. So Pakistan should hope for WI to win if they are to win the Cup.
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Yes Sam that's an incredible achievement despite all that has happened since the Bob Wolmer incident. Playing away from home isn't easy - Pakistan somehow seem to have coped with all the controversies and responded with decent on ground performance. I wouldn't mind playing Aussies if we win today. That's not the approach a title contender should be having.
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And they won the Asia Cup too.

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At the end of super 8's , the bowling statistics of Indian bowlers were great, infact Balaji was second best in Strike Rate and 3rd best  on average, guess he was second highest wicket taker too.

Pakistan 57/3 chasing 140 at halfway mark.Should be interesting final 10 overs.This could go anywhere!
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Another one goes down ... 64/4. This could get nervy, Pak need a partnership while SL needs to dent few more.... oops as I write Malinga drops Hafeez...
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Hafeez goes , but he did the damage of 18 qucik runs

EDIT: I should have stopped for a moment while posting as Afridi had come Wink ... 91/5 .. then 91/6


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35 of 22 balls , Pakistan have this is bag with a batsman at one end ... couple of edges from other should sail Pakistan here.
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SL win by 16 runs , that was fantastic death bowling ... with just 12 run ball difference with 4 over to go and 4 wickets in hand and eventually to end up winning by such a margin is really great. 

So one of the deserving team went to finals, now for the Gayle storm to hit tomorrow.


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Yes guys, Pakistan have achieved a lot of good things in last few years, sadly they are not going any further in this tournament, but I at least would say they played well, there are somethings I look for and today I saw how much Pakistan wanted to win this, that hunger to win was there, unfortunately today it was not to be.

It was very much a win the toss and bat first kind of a wicket, chasing anything over 125-130 here was very difficult, and against a team like Sri lanka who thrive on these conditions the task was doubly difficult, I'm sure SLN wouldn't have chased down 140 either against the same Pakistan attack.

There are a few things that must change though, one is Afridi, high time to get rid of him, a good all rounder can take his place, one is Nazir, enough of him even in the T20's, there are better players out there, Tanvir is nothing special and younger, better bowlers should get the nod.

Well played Pakistan and there are better days ahead inshallah, I'd  have loved to see RSA win but now I hope WI go on and take this title, nothing against AUS but just that WI haven't won for so long, I'd like to see them win!


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True Sam but i really hate this thing why cant they see so many people that the team is wrong.
Razzaq was a must surely even a 5 year kid who follow cricket will tell you that Malik was useless in T20 match with already having so many spinners in the side and he is not a hitter Razzaq is so much better and with him we atleast had a hope but with Malik there is never any hope and we needed a captain who understands that winning is much more important than following a robotic system and that means going with Kamran or Nasir to open with him as the attacking with the new bowl was a huge factor as Sam said it was never going to be easy scoring against spinners so they had to score atleast 45-50 runs in first 6 overs to remain in the game but sadly they never use their minds.

I am not upset that Pakistan is out but what makes me sad is Pakistan team has such a quality bowling attack still they always come up short only because of lack of common sense.


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SL 133 points well ahead of the second ranked India with 120 points in T20, happy to see them in finals.It always feels nice to see a top ranked/top performing team reach the finals. 

Meanwhile both Aus and WI  have 111 points on 6th and 7th position.
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What a historic day for Australia and Windies; both men and women play the T20 WC semifinals on the same day. Their home supporters couldn't have asked for anything better.
 
Gayle and Watson can rise and become heroes. Both sides have terrific hitters. Then we do not know what type pitch will be there. In the Sri Lanka Pakistan match only one six was hit while normally five to six by different players have been common
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True Sam but i really hate this thing why cant they see so many people that the team is wrong.
Razzaq was a must surely even a 5 year kid who follow cricket will tell you that Malik was useless in T20 match with already having so many spinners in the side and he is not a hitter Razzaq is so much better and with him we atleast had a hope but with Malik there is never any hope and we needed a captain who understands that winning is much more important than following a robotic system and that means going with Kamran or Nasir to open with him as the attacking with the new bowl was a huge factor as Sam said it was never going to be easy scoring against spinners so they had to score atleast 45-50 runs in first 6 overs to remain in the game but sadly they never use their minds.

I am not upset that Pakistan is out but what makes me sad is Pakistan team has such a quality bowling attack still they always come up short only because of lack of common sense.

very good points there mystery, the crucial one was how much they needed to score in the first 6 overs and how much difficult it is when Hafeez opens.

There was never a doubt that the pitch will become more and more difficult as the game goes on and as the ball becomes older the scoring will be even more difficult, the idea there should have been to get off to a flier, and Nazir - Kamran must have been the opening pair, the way Hafeez kills the momentum early on was a huge mistake throughout the tourney.

another minor factor was the timing of jamshed wrongly given out, he was the inform batsmen and at that stage Pakistan were slowly taking the game away from SLN, that one bad decision gave rise to two wickets pressure got to them, lost more wickets, end of the story.

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I wanted to put these points yesterday , but was waiting till Australia to lose the second semi final .... which I was certain of ... I mean Gayle storm. 

Will anyone say that Australian bowling was pathetic/toothless today to concede 200+ runs ?  I looked at some of the popular websites that said West Indies crushed Australia or our very own Cricketworld site says WI blasted Australia, but when Australia won against India it was hopeless Indian attack, how is that ? suddenly everyone talks about Gayle and his abilities ... how can anyone conveniently forget the role of conditions that played a big hand in Ind-Aus match ?  ... websites and certain authors keep saying about the catches dropped by a certain team, but will anyone point out all the good fortunes that the same team got before one rough decision ? why one rough decision is made up to be such a big issue when the same team had rub of the green going their way thought the tournament ?, were they sleeping or do they switch off their cricketing brain to mute ? ... just to point out some incidents of many good fortunes ... why did'nt anyone point it ,when certain decisions went against BD ... maybe Bangladesh lost a place in super 8 because of some bad umpiring ... maybe BD got a raw deal, isn't it?. I have seen the tournament closely and I know about all the catches dropped, run out and lucky decisions that each & every team have got.I hate it when all these are pointed out in a biased manner.

When a team like Afghanistan puts up a good fight against India (even though after all hopes were lost) , serious questions are asked ... but if the same minnow team puts up a good fight against some other test playing nations ... it is refreshing , it is good for the game ... strange double standards that.

Fans and Authors should understand that 
- every bowling team gets thrashed these days
- every team is lucky/unlucky with decision 
- every team is lucky/unlucky with conditions 
( obviously when a match presenter asks for reason for loss, I have seen some captains saying about conditions when they were tough, but mind you such captains tell it straight forward even when conditions are in their favor, nothing wrong in it ... we need some who calls ace and ace) 
- every team is lucky/unlucky with luxury of winning the toss and making best use of conditions.
- Conditions do matter in cricket , why SL bowling did not get its due credit ? Assume if Pak had won by bowling second ... would anyone say that conditions helped or , biased would say that they had best bowling attack.
- IPL connection, when Gayle and Pollard play good knocks in IPL often some domestic bowler quality is questioned ... what happened here the IPL heroes like Gayle,Watson and today Pollard did the same thing , none of the international teams could stop them ... so does it have any correlation ? 


Anyway coming back to today's match ( I would not call it thrashing , coz I know in cricket and in esp in T20 these things do happen, why T20 , even in ODI teams do have bad days ... if batsman is in zone it does not matter who the bowler is ) , Australia played superb cricket till the second last match and they lost the plot there , the time they decided to go for only 112 against Pak , they lost their confidence and momentum ... What happened in previous game continued here, but I really would not blame Australia for not going for victory in previous game, any team would do when semi final berth was in doubt.

Well played Pak and Aus to reach the semis ,but happy that WI and SL are in finals , the teams that I wanted once India was out Smile


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Congratulation West Indies
W E S T = Washed the Egoist Superiority complexed Team Indies last night. Good effort. Gayle and Bravo ! Con grates.

You have get down the crown of Aussie.. This time WI needs to win the T20 WC and they are the only team having the capacity to hold the cup.. Sorry Srilanka am not against your team but WI deserves the trophy. After a long back WI team rocking.. Lets they taste the winning moment...
 
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"Amazing to make fourth final" - Jayawardene ... No doubts about it ... but it hardly counts coming second in ICC tournaments,... take football,tennis or any other sport , its the same ...if it were Olympics it has some value, hard fact but true in team, individual sports.

  
Hate to say this but its true "Only winners are remembered"...  that's ok , someone has to win and someone has to lose , that the beauty of sports.  

So coming to the finals, I will be happy whoever wins the finals ... WI need this victory and it has been long time since they won a major tournament ... SL will want to win as they have been in ups and downs in last 2 years (coz WC final loss is something that pains, I know it , coz that happened in 2003 ).
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while the conditions and a crucial decision went against Pakistan, there is absolutely no doubt that the target was chaseable, it was difficult no doubt, but some proper and good cricket could have seen them through, which is why I feel some people playing on reputation have to go.

Overall, be it bowling, batting or whatever, I think people are reading too much into these T20 performances, the only reason this format is getting attention is because this is a world event, once sunday is done, no one will care, the focus will be entirely on Tests and ODI's and T20's will be looked upon as practice or warm up games, the only time they will get attention again is 2 years later during the next WT20.

What pleases me, and I have realized this all of a sudden today, when I think about Team Pakistan is that once the format changes they've got some exciting players to look up to who will do much better in the longer formats, Jamshed, Azhar, Asad and Umer Akmal... that is an exciting middle order!!! I'd like to see Kamran and hafeez open in ODI's while Taufeeq is there in Tests, Junaid should also be back which will be wonderful!!! Just hope for a couple of young fast bowlers to come through, unfortunately Pakistan don't have anything until December against India (if that happens) or they have Zimbabwe in January. Unhappy


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Spot on Sam but i really don't like Hafeez as captain his bowling makes him a good option in the side but his captaincy is really ordinary. I hope in future this lineup should be put in.

-- means same player -

Odi -                             Test

Hafeez                         --
Nasir                            Azhar
Azhar/Asad                  Umer
Umer                            Younis
Kamran                        Misbah
Hammad                      Asad
Razzaq                        Kamran
Afridi                            Gul
Gul                               Junaid
Junaid                          Rehman
Ajmal                            --


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not Afridi mystery, not afridi, I don't think he is required at all, I've had enough of him... and he is not young anymore, so lets look at life after Afridi, and believe me that life will be better.

Also I think Pakistan need to look more at specialists rather than all rounders, so there is place for only Hammad or Razzaq or may be a spin all rounder. My lineups will be like below, and I'm confident pakistan will have tremendous success in future, God willling.

ODI                                              Tests

Hafeez                                     Hafeez
Kamran                                    Taufeeq
Jamshed                                  Jamshed / Younus (for now)
Azhar Ali                                  Azhar Ali
Umer Akmal                             Umer Akmal / Misbah (for now)
Asad Shafiq                             Asad Shafiq
Hammad Azam / Anwar Ali       Adnan Akmal
Gul                                           Gul
Ajmal                                        Ajmal
Junaid                                      Junaid
Raza Hasan                             Raza / Sadaf Hussain / Abdur Rahman / Mohammed Talha

Both Misbah and Younus can be part of the Test line up for now, but I'm looking at future line uo, in and I think despite the fact that the test and ODI line up will be some what similar I think there is enough talent in there to deliver the goods in both formats, also with Jamshed, Kamran, Umer Akmal and Hammad there will be fire power in the line up unlike in the past.


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alright, moving away from Pakistan discussion, desperately hoping WI will lift the title tomorrow, where is spinny when his team is on song?
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oh yes, I'm absolutely loving this!!! This is what happens when you prepare wickets which make the toss so important, it worked for them in the Semi Final, it has back fired big time today!!!

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Congratulations to the West Indies, well done boys, well done, Big win for West Indian cricket, great moment for every one in the carribean islands... wel done indeed, enjoy the moment!!! Clap
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There was WI and SL ... and the rest in WT20 2012. The two most deserving, consistent teams made it to the finals and finally a deserved winner Thumbs Up.
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Windies is the only team in my view which everyone will be happy with winning the Cup!

They fully deserved it!! CONGRATS TO WINDIES!!
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What a wonderful come back victory from the Windies!? After one of the worst starts I have ever seen in an international T20, in terms of run rate, the way that Samuels crushed the Sri Lankans was exhilarating.

I have always held that when West Indies cricket is in a good state, world cricket is always the biggest beneficiary. What a fantastically talented Windies side, with plenty of spin and batting options and a maturing pace attack. Well done to Sammy for leading his troops and particularly to Gayle and Samuels at the top of the order!

On another note, well done to Shane Watson for winning man of the tournament! What a fantastic honour, to achieve 4 consecutive man of the match awards and then the man of the series award!? The most runs for the tournament (at an ASTONISHING strike rate of 150) & the second most wickets, after the enterprising Ajantha Mendis. Deserved winner of the man of the tournament award, and he singlehandedly guided Australia to the semi-finals. Definitely the best all-rounder in limited overs cricket at the moment, and great to see him do well.


On another note, this young Sri Lankan bowler, Dananjaya, all I can say is "wow"! Look out for this kid, sharp turn both ways (he was bowling leggies, offies, googlies with the same action) and was getting sharp turn from an interesting action. He spins the ball fast, and picking the pace of spinners is sometimes the hardest thing to do. Looks good for an 18 year old, could be the next big thing.
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Congrats to Skipper Sammy and Westindies.
Excellent overall performance by the West Indies team in all the departments (including celebration). Congratulations to the entire team for winning a 'World Cup' after 33 years !!! The current team really deserved the title. Hats-Off to SL also for providing an entertaining match to the fans and the crowd in the stadium. Hard Luck ! Better luck next time.
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Marlon Samuels was amazing, then Ravi Rampaul dented Sri Lanka hopes.  The ball of the tournament cart wheeling Dilshan's stump.  The others picked up from there.

Great feeling back home, everyone's happy.  Australia thoroughly demolished on Friday, and one the greatest comebacks on Sunday.  I rate this Samuel's knock better than all the T20 centuries i've seen.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2012 at 5:54am
Yes this one was right up there - only Hussey's St Lucia innings is above this one I reckon. But what a marvelous performance from the West Indians. They deserved it. And it is about time that the world starts respecting Sammy - he is a handy player and contributes his bit almost always, yet he gets the flack.
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