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    Posted: 08 April 2010 at 7:12pm
Considering the fact that this is a world cup event, all the squads have been announced and we are just 3 weeks away from it I think it's the right time to start this thread, we are already discussing about this in other threads so I thought it's better to start one for this.

The ICC World T20 begins in just 3 weeks time as Pakistan look not only to defend their title but also to erase the memories of what happened the last time when they were here for a world cup event.

I think the defending champions along with India, NZL and AUS will be the top 4 favorites for this tournament, RSA can also win but I don't see them as favts as of now, hosts West Indies will have the home advantage and they might surprise everyone, while SLN and ENG also have an outside chance. The minnows may not win but they can surely cause some BIG upsets.

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Fri Apr 30
17:00 GMT | 13:00 local
22:30 IST
1st Match, Group B - New Zealand v Sri Lanka
Providence Stadium, Guyana



Fri Apr 30          
21:00 GMT | 17:00 local
02:30 IST +1d
2nd Match, Group D - West Indies v Ireland
Providence Stadium, Guyana



Sat May 1
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
3rd Match, Group C - Afghanistan v India
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Sat May 1
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
4th Match, Group A - Bangladesh v Pakistan
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Sun May 2
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
5th Match, Group C - India v South Africa
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Sun May 2
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
6th Match, Group A - Australia v Pakistan
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Mon May 3
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
7th Match, Group B - Sri Lanka v Zimbabwe
Providence Stadium, Guyana



Mon May 3
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
8th Match, Group D - West Indies v England
Providence Stadium, Guyana



Tue May 4
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
9th Match, Group B - New Zealand v Zimbabwe
Providence Stadium, Guyana



Tue May 4
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
10th Match, Group D - England v Ireland
Providence Stadium, Guyana



Wed May 5
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
11th Match, Group A - Australia v Bangladesh
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Wed May 5
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
12th Match, Group C - Afghanistan v South Africa
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Thu May 6
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
13th Match - TBC v TBC (A1 v D2)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Thu May 6
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
14th Match - TBC v TBC (C1 v B2)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Fri May 7
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
15th Match - TBC v TBC (A2 v C2)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Fri May 7
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
16th Match - TBC v TBC (B1 v D1)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Sat May 8
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
17th Match - TBC v TBC (A1 v B2)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Sat May 8
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
18th Match - TBC v TBC (D2 v C1)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Sun May 9
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
19th Match - TBC v TBC (C2 v D1)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Sun May 9
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
20th Match - TBC v TBC (B1 v A2)
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



Mon May 10
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
19:00 IST
21st Match - TBC v TBC (A1 v C1)
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Mon May 10
17:30 GMT | 13:30 local
23:00 IST
22nd Match - TBC v TBC (B2 v D2)
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Tue May 11
17:00 GMT | 13:00 local
22:30 IST
23rd Match - TBC v TBC (B1 v C2)
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Tue May 11          
21:00 GMT | 17:00 local
02:30 IST +1d
24th Match - TBC v TBC (D1 v A2)
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Thu May 13
15:30 GMT | 11:30 local
21:00 IST
1st Semi-Final - TBC v TBC
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Fri May 14
15:30 GMT | 11:30 local
21:00 IST
2nd Semi-Final - TBC v TBC
Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, St Lucia



Sun May 16
15:30 GMT | 11:30 local
21:00 IST
Final - TBC v TBC
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados




Edited by sam_ahmed - 08 April 2010 at 7:13pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 April 2010 at 7:59pm
Shewag, Gambhir, Raina, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Rohit, Yousuf, Harbhajan, Praveen, Zaheer, Nehra..... On paper that a superb team, infact the most balanced of all sides.
 
5 of the frontline batsman are capable to bowl 4 over and can be among wickets too.That's the edge they got to utilise. Harbhajan,Praveen and Zaheer can tonk the ball aswell when needed.Good thing is they are selected for their primary roles.
 
My only worry is Indian team currently is woefully out of form , if they get to right groove by T20WC, then nothing like it.I hope that happens.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 April 2010 at 11:55pm
Mate, Gambhir is starting to look back in some form - he hit some very disdainful shots the other day but was cut short by yet another run out and Sehwag is still seeing them well.  Yuvraj is getting back some touch.  The batting and the spinners is set in my view but the pace attack is really in disarray.  Sorry for Kumar, he relies on swing but sorry to him, not going to find much of that in the Caribbean.  It's raining back quite a bit now so that might add moisture and make him lucky but that's his only hope of swing, a bit of humidity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 4:57am
Actually most of the teams have some very good T20 players, IND have pretty much the same line up as they would have in an ODI though, that goes to show that they have class players who are still capable of brutal hitting. I think the key players for IND will be Sehwag - for quick starts, Yuvraj - brutal middle order hitting, Harbhajan - In the abscence of quality bowlers, he'll have to take it upon himself to contain runs as well as take wickets.
 
for PAK the key players in my view will be, Kamran - for solid and quick starts, Afridi - for his all round ability, key bowler and big hitter, Aamer - If he can trouble the top order batsmen like he did against Dilshan in the final last year (fast and short stuff to get the inform Dilshan for a duck) it'll be great for Pakistan. What I liked about him very much was that he was not undone by the occasion while playing a world cup final last year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 6:46am
Might as well give the cup to South Africa A or South Africa B  (better known as England).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 8:26am
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

Shewag, Gambhir, Raina, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Rohit, Yousuf, Harbhajan, Praveen, Zaheer, Nehra..... On paper that a superb team, infact the most balanced of all sides.
 
5 of the frontline batsman are capable to bowl 4 over and can be among wickets too.That's the edge they got to utilise. Harbhajan,Praveen and Zaheer can tonk the ball aswell when needed.Good thing is they are selected for their primary roles.
 
My only worry is Indian team currently is woefully out of form , if they get to right groove by T20WC, then nothing like it.I hope that happens.

With this team if they go to Semi-finals they should feel lucky.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 8:50am
Pakistan will rely heavily on Kamran, Afridi and Razzaq. Razzaq is the main player and a very good match winner for Pakistan. I think Pakistan will miss Nazir. He could have easily won them one or two matches on his own. He is a must in T20. He should be picked instead of Butt. Hafeez can replace Malik. If Gul can find his form then it will be a good chance for Pakistan to reach the finals for the third time.

All the test nations exept BD can reach the finals. There are no favourites. Australia has good pace attack but this can be used by the Batsmen specially in T20. McCullum showed that in the last month. They are lacking good spinners.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 10:54am
Good last point that Kahmed, batsmen can easily use the pace of Australian bowlers to get runs on those tracks. Most of the aussie bowlers bowl at over 145K.
 
Butt can do the job at No.3 similar to what younus did last year, he and Fawad can hold one end and allow others to do the hitting... I hope they don't open with Butt though, if they play him that is. Nazir could still have been selected ahead of Latif though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 11:08am
Butt and Fawad can hold the inning together but sometimes they stops the momentum and cant find gaps easily. Younis has that quality to change the strike.

That would be my XI for Pakistan:

Kamran
Hafeez
Salman/Fawad
Afridi
Umar
Misbah
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Aamer
Gul
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 11:32am
Butt surely wont get a game. Pakistan will miss Malik, make no mistake about it. He has been our most prolific scorer in this format and will surely be missed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 12:44pm
India's team is not that great and has poor balance. No genuine all rounder, Yusuf  is not a genuine all rounder by all means... and no pace attack of note, Khan is decent though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 12:49pm
Very true. they cant win on batting alone. Zaheer and Bhajji might do well - but that is about it. Al others will leak runs. India should feel lucky they dont have BD in their group.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 1:20pm
Australia and Pakistan have attacks which I rate. Smith and Hauritz are very good 2020 spinners as are Ajmal and Afridi. In terms of pace bowling, both teams have some great options. I'd like see Pakistan use Abdul Razzaq well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by milkman

India's team is not that great and has poor balance. No genuine all rounder, Yusuf  is not a genuine all rounder by all means... and no pace attack of note, Khan is decent though.


 
100% agree. India not playing Tendulkar is a big big lost if he plays i think India would made it to the Final easily but now i dont think they will reach semi-finals.
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Very true. they cant win on batting alone. Zaheer and Bhajji might do well - but that is about it. Al others will leak runs. India should feel lucky they dont have BD in their group.
Exactly India is lucky to be in another group, while Pakistan inspite of being seeded 1 have Bangaladesh  seeded 8th and Aus 9th in the Group A.     
 
Australia will go to next round , no dobuts about that infact, I put my money on them to win the tournament and place them as firm favourites.
 
Who knows Pakistan might find a way to lose to BD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2010 at 8:19pm
Actually I don't remember, whom did BAN defeat to go through to the next round last year? Who did AUS lose to and got knocked out in the first round? Seriously I don't remember.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2010 at 7:52am
I guess Aussies lost to both Zim and BD. Indians lost one to SRL and the other one was probably washed out.

India still have to fae Afghanistan though - I wouldn't be surprised if they give a tough time to the men in blue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2010 at 3:37am
India will have Afghanistan for breakfast!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2010 at 5:22am

I agree with spinny there, I think BAN and ZIM might be dangerous but AFG and IRE will not be able to match the standards so soon. IRE is still a good side but they are not much of a T20 side. It's a bit tioo early for AFG but qualifying for such a big event itself is "job well done" from their point of view.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2010 at 10:07am
Injuries to Arafat and Gul have done PAK no good I believe... Gul is still considered for the tournament though. The fact that Afridi wants Shahzaib to join the team is a clear indication that he wants to use two regular openers at the top and Kamran in the lower middle order. Not sure if it is a smart decision!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2010 at 11:24am
he wants him to open with Kamran and Hafeez in the middle order to fill the gap of Malik. Imran Nazir would have a better option i think.
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Have a feeling Umar, Razzaq and Kamran will carry the batting for Pakistan here. Afridi is hot and cold as we know, even in this format and the rest of the batsmen are nothing of note.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2010 at 12:28pm
you are right but pakistani Batting will depend lot on Afridi. He will under more pressure to win the matches for the team this time.we will miss Malik for sure.
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I don't think if Malik will be missed... Playing Hafeez in the middle order is also not such a great idea. He has shown good form recently in the domestic tournament there I think and it was opening the batting.
 
I'm not sure if there are a few warm up matches are not, but if they do have then it'll be a good chance for PAK to experiment with their batting line up and decide on the best.
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Kahmad, I don't rate Imran Nazir one bit and surely the selectors couldn't do worse if they left him out.  As far as i'm concern, he just swings his bat, regardless of where the ball pitches!  I'd rather play Salman Butt ahead of him and that says something, as Sam would tell you about me haha.
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In T20 he is a must. You need there someone who can swing the bat. Butt cant do that.
I know its a gamble to play him. If he can win you just 1 match on his own then i think its ok. And that could also be the final match. He played well in 2007 T20 World. He won Pakistan the semi finals against NZL and in Finals against India he was also going well until he was runout.
Its very difficult to stop batsmen like him. T20 specialists like him and warner should be always in the team.


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I agree with SW Imran Nazir is a waste of space. Please dont compare him with Warner.



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I'm not saying this because I support Australia but Warner is a cut above the rest. That hundred he made in the IPL shows he is a rare talent. I rate him very highly in this format and for mine he's one of the best fielders in the world. Purely electric in the field.
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Kahmad, I don't rate Imran Nazir one bit and surely the selectors couldn't do worse if they left him out.  As far as i'm concern, he just swings his bat, regardless of where the ball pitches!  I'd rather play Salman Butt ahead of him and that says something, as Sam would tell you about me haha.
 
Smile How much I like Butt I'm not entirely happy that he is in the T20 squad spinny, although I still want him to do well if he gets a chance. That's purely because after the last two editions of T20 Butt lost his place in the ODI and test sides and that's rubbish because the selectors shouldn't do that... T20 is different and other fomats are different. I fear the same may happen again!
 
Nazir is a good T20 player (although I don't rate him one bit in other formats) and he is also a sharp fielder. I'd have liked to see him in the side, also in T20's he has a good record.
 
I don't rate Hafeez one bit either but he has shown excellent form at the domestic level and is a fine bolwer, so as of now I'm ok with him in the side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2010 at 7:58am
Hafeez has always performed well in the domestic level but he never showed his form in the internationals.
milkman if you liked the innings of warner in the ipl, then you should see the last icl final where Nazir scored a fantastic century. These are not consistant players but very very dangouras on their day.
Warner is not performing in all the ipl matches but they keep him in the place because he can win them a match on his day, like his century inning. same is with Nazir. As i wrote in my last post, Nazir won Pakistan the semifainal in 2007 T20 World.
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