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    Posted: 15 May 2010 at 3:02pm
one more point I want to make is that after reading Waqar's interview and the general feeling in PAK I believe is like "we played really well, the Aussies were just too good for us". They'll never become a champion team with this attitude. Although it's true that Aussies were outstanding the other way to look at it is "we allowed AUS to achieve an almost impossible target, we could have done better" It's only then that you'll continue to improve and you'll become a champion team. Losing should never be an option guys, never.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 12:23am
While Aussies were brilliantly, I agree with Sam, the Pakistani's should be ashamed to lose that match and not talk about top class performance from Aussie etc.  No way in the world had Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar been at both ends facing up to Glenn McGrath and say they could have scored that amount of runs.  It was poor bowling that lost them it in the end.
 
And I agree with Milkman, Raj has the odds wrong.  Aussies are the clear favourites.  Batting down at 9 and 5 bowlers plus the part timers in Clarke and Hussey.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 1:29am
Bowling has won Australia the majority of their matches, Australia has the best attack going around in this tournament. How the hell is Raj making it out like Australia has so many problems with their bowling? 4 fast bowlers who bowl in excess of 140kph, an aggressive leg spinner with an excellent T20 record and 2 very good part time spin options in David Hussey and Clarke. Australia have the luxury of playing an extra fast bowler or spinner in either Harris or Hauritz but that means you're virtually played 7 bowlers because those part timers can easily bowl 4 over between them. Ridiculous assessment from Raj. If Australia lose it won't be because they didn't select one more bowler.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 2:58am
Australia already have 4 specialist bowlers plus Watson who is their fifth bowler and he's no part timer, he's a bowler so realistically they have 5 good bowlers and 8 good batsman, plus the hard hitting Mitchell Johnson.  Nothing would please me more than to see Aussies lose but don't see it happening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 8:33am

Watson's economy is 9.3 per over and SR is 39, i.e wicket every 39 balls.That is no where near impressive.Yes Tait,Jhonson,Nannes and Smith's records are impressive, but they are playing an inform & confident England.

Believe me Milky, Smith and Watson are nothing more than part timers if Tait+Jhonson+Nannes combination fail, it's only then you will come to know if they are true bowlers. (maybe we might not see that loophole if main bowlers click)

My odds are perfet spin,Australia thrice in 6 matches put themselves in a spot of bother.All three times Hussey pulled them out.

On the other hand , England played so superb that they didn't even need Broad to hold the bat. Whew!!

To me if England loses it will be an upset.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 8:50am
The pitch should be quick and England's bowlers struggle to reach 140kph, and taking the pace off the ball won't do anything for them. For me the fast medium bowlers will be easy pickings. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 7:38pm

Take a bow , Congratulations England!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 7:49pm
Take a bow to my analysis too. Sorry milky, my odds were just too  perfect.
 
- Look, Today Tait+Jhonson+Nannes combination was not effective,What happened to Watson's figures ?
- M.Clarke is unsuitalbe for T20 format 
- The Aussies bowling attack is just as ordinary as orther teams , when they dont get wickets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 9:12pm
Raj, i think you was a big fan of this australian bowling 2 weeks ago. They have good pace attack but i think the Pakistan game took lot from them. Only week link was their spin bowling. Smith is a decent spinner but he has notthe quality of Swann, Harbhajan, Murali. He needs the support of their pace bowlers. If they fail to get wickets then he cant do anything.

Congratulations to England. They deserved it more as they were more convincing.They were only in trouble in the gameagainst ireland. Otherwisw they dominated all the teams. I think Australia had a bit easy in the super eight group against 2 asian countries at Barbados.

It was a good tournament. We saw at least some quality cricket instead of this ipl games.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 9:16pm
Congrats to England, didn't get to see the game but it was a comprehensive win in the end!  Heard a lot of shots through the radio while I was at my game today so I probably missed a good innings from the English side.  Just goes to show how important it is to get a good opening pair in whichever format of the game you are playing, and those that can beat ball too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 10:47pm
Well, I missed the game because I was playing myself, but from what I understand, England's fast medium bowlers were easy picking for the mighty Australians, and Australia's attack being the best around made them unplayable, (they can all get it above 140kph, that makes them brilliant), especially Watson, he's a very good T20 bowler don't you know?

Utter nonsense Raj to put your odds add 70-30 in favour of England, utter nonsense apparently.

Imagine giving Australia a 30% chance...ridiculous assessment.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 11:03pm

Just had a feeling we could pull this one off. What I find hard to grasp is how convincing the victory was, I thought it would have been more of a scrap!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 3:16am
Originally posted by Clobber

Well, I missed the game because I was playing myself, but from what I understand, England's fast medium bowlers were easy picking for the mighty Australians, and Australia's attack being the best around made them unplayable, (they can all get it above 140kph, that makes them brilliant), especially Watson, he's a very good T20 bowler don't you know?

Utter nonsense Raj to put your odds add 70-30 in favour of England, utter nonsense apparently.

Imagine giving Australia a 30% chance...ridiculous assessment.


Quite frankly that is an idiotic response because you are saying this with total hingsight. Jeez, England played well and congratulations, but 70-30 is bullocks. Australia and England won the same amount of games this tournament, England just won the crucial game.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 4:35am
Congratulations to England... it's so good to see some team other than Australia win an ICC event. This is the first time that ENG have won an ICC event, I believe.
 
I didn't saw the match because of a major power failure in my area yesterday but I imagine it was easy in the end for ENG. I still agree with Milky that Aussies were clear favorites going into this game, and that's may be more so because Aussies are used to winning major tournaments, ENG have never done so before... anyways wonderful performance, English fans should enjoy the moment. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 5:02am

England never put themselves in a hole throught the tournament.Aussies were in trouble in 3 out of 6 matches(and don't forget warmup loss to Zim). England used only two overs outside their main five bowlers, which goes to clearly underline their supremacy in bowling in this tournament. England bowlers were rarely  put to sword.

Now going by Australia bowling , the moment Watson came , England upped the tempo.. They planned  pressure release route in either (Smith or Watson).It was obvious that England had targetted bowlers outside Tait+Mitchell+Nannes.
 
I just went through all the matches including warmup's and found that English bowling was far better than Aussies,
 
Aussies were taken apart by few batsman (who made considerable contributions)
Chigumbura's 76 of 35
Rohit's 79 of 46
Umer's 56 of 35
Kamran's 50 of 34
Kieswetter's 63 of 49
KP's 47 of 31
 
Look all the matches that England played , Not a single batsman dominated them.I must admit , the best team won the trophy, and Aussies were second best team in the tournament.
 
Rest all waste!.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 5:46am
Congratulations England. You have been the best team in the competition and througly deserve the victory. Also nice to see the top 2 deserving teams qualifying to the finals this time.

Well, I watched the complete match without missing even a single ball. I have to say, there was not even a small phase of the game where I felt, Aus would win the game. The victory was so convincing. May be only at that point of time when Yardy bowled an expensive over, Australians would have felt, they were in with a chance, but with 2 overs left from Broad and one from Sidebottom, I knew, if they stick to basics, they won't be chasing more than 150. Chasing less than 150, with Watson, Smith and Johnson in the Aussies bowling attack, it was always a matter of seeing out the new ball attack of Nannes and Tait without giving them too many wickets. England did almost everything perfect yesterday. Again Swann was terrific. Last year when I said, he is the best offspinner at the moment, somebody laughed at me. Just see how he is shaping up.

Australia need to strenthen their bowling attack. Too many batsman in the team I feel. Definetly Watson should be there in the 11, but he could be used only as a 5th bowler.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 6:40am
A terrific all round performance by England and not just yesterday , but throughtout the super 8's , the semi and the final.  Watson can't have slept last night , it was such a pity he only bowled 3 overs or he might just have been the first bowler to go for a ton in T20 history!
             Kieswetter and Pietersen really took it to the Aussies and winning with 3 overs to spare really is a hiding.  They'll get better and better , they way the side has been turned around is quite amazing.  It's taken years for the English to understand that the powerplay has to be taken at breakneck speed. Both openers attacked from ball one and that took the pressure off the middle order.  I dare say if Austrlai had posted 180 or so , they'd have chased it down.
             Well done lads , let this be the first of many.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 7:28am
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Any predictions on who would be the best performers for their teams. My list:
Aus - Clarke
SA - Smith
Eng - Collingwood
NZ - Vettori
Ind - Gambhir
Sri - Malinga
Pak - Afridi
WI - Gayle

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 9:12am
If it's any consolation Kiran, Gayle was quite good!

Congrats to the Aussie women, who beat NZ in the women's T20. Nice to see the girls win some silverware , unlike the men.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 11:43am
Clark was the weak man in this squad. He was so nervous at the crease. He ran out first Warner and then put so much pressure on Haddin and following Batsmen. They needed to cattack the english bowlers and spread the field. He clearly spoiled the start for his team. Maybe Symonds can take his place in this team.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 12:26pm
I'd back Shaun Marsh to come in and open or bat at 3. Make White or Hussey captain. I think Clarke needs to try his hand at more domestic T20, he's played barely any. He has the ability to play T20, I don't doubt it, but he needs time to adjust. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 12:36pm
I would bring in a bowler to replace Clarke (May be Bollinger) who brings in the right balance to the side. Also I would replace Smith with Hauritz. Marsh is not a bad option. But he will have to wait till any of the Hussey brothers retire I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 12:45pm
With less than 10 months left for the major world cup, selectors would be (at least should be in case of India/Pakistan) working on the best combination for the tournament. As I had said earlier, England and Australia are well placed at the moment to build a strong reliable team. India, Srilanka, Pakistan all have major challenge in front of them and I doubt any of them would succeed in getting a really good team in the available time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 12:57pm
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Well, I missed the game because I was playing myself, but from what I understand, England's fast medium bowlers were easy picking for the mighty Australians, and Australia's attack being the best around made them unplayable, (they can all get it above 140kph, that makes them brilliant), especially Watson, he's a very good T20 bowler don't you know?

Utter nonsense Raj to put your odds add 70-30 in favour of England, utter nonsense apparently.

Imagine giving Australia a 30% chance...ridiculous assessment.


Quite frankly that is an idiotic response because you are saying this with total hingsight. Jeez, England played well and congratulations, but 70-30 is bullocks. Australia and England won the same amount of games this tournament, England just won the crucial game.
 
The only idiotic thing is your tiresome "Australia rules everything" drivel, and attempts to belittle anyone who dares to disagree, so keep your pathetic little tantrums to yourself.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2010 at 11:31am
Poor NZ women, now known as the New Zealand bridesmaids after finishing 2nd in the last three major international tournaments. 
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Haha, that's funny - New Zealand bridesmaids!
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Poor NZ women, now known as the New Zealand bridesmaids after finishing 2nd in the last three major international tournaments. 


They have a bit more silverware than the men's side so that must count for something!
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