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    Posted: 31 May 2011 at 9:15pm

             Freshly crowned world champions India take on West Indies in a T20,5 ODIs and 3 Test Matches in a month long tour. Many prominant players missing in Indian side should make the ODI contents intersting as WI has some real promise in some young talents. In Limited over format Gayle, Roach and Chander are missing in WI set up.

            There are lot of exciting new players on either side. Bishoo,Bravo Jr,Edwards,Simmons and Russell might be WI's future, while on the Indian side M Tiwary is in a tremendous form. Dhawan,Saha,Parthiv and Vinay would like to add some weightage for future.
 
            Badri gets his due in both forms of the game Big smile. Then there is 21 year old run machine - Abhinav Mukund. It will be very interesting to see a potential long term prospects in real action. 
 

Sat Jun 4
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19:30 IST

Only T20I - West Indies v India
Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad

Mon Jun 6
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1st ODI - West Indies v India
Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad

Wed Jun 8
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18:30 IST

2nd ODI - West Indies v India
Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad

Sat Jun 11
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3rd ODI - West Indies v India
Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua

Mon Jun 13
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4th ODI - West Indies v India
Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua

Thu Jun 16
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5th ODI - West Indies v India
Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica

Mon Jun 20 - Fri Jun 24
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1st Test - West Indies v India
Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica

Tue Jun 28 - Sat Jul 2
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2nd Test - West Indies v India
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados

Wed Jul 6 - Sun Jul 10
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3rd Test - West Indies v India
Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 6:12am
  Yes big chance for the fringe players to prove/show their mettle. I'd watched Abhinav Mukund in a domestic game some two years ago. Looked really impressive then with his timing and placement. Elegant player considering his age at the time. Have had an eye on him since then, has continued to grow fast and handle whatever was thrown at him quiet well. Keen to see how well he does in his first international outing. 

 Glad that S Badrinath has made it back to the squad. Thought he should have been there in India's tour of SA earlier this year. He's been performing with great pomp at the domestic level in and out, looked fairly decent in the one Test he played where he had to encounter a red hot Steyn(seven wicket haul) , scored a good half century at No.6.  He's the Brad Hodge of Indian cricket, talented enough to make it to any team but unfortunate to be in an era where his competition are some of the greats of the game. He's in his early thirties but still has got a fair bit of cricket left in him. A good four or five years hopefully who knows.

  I'm fairly okay with the team selection, glad the IPL performance wasn't among the selection criterion. Only miffed about Munaf's selection into the test side as the fourth seamer. Why and how on earth did RP Singh fall of the selectors radar. Still believe is got the best exponent of swing in the country and would have been an excellent addition esp with the England tour coming up, good enough to even make it to the starting XI ,for me.   I remember there were a lot of hue and cry when he was dropped some two years ago with his close friend and captain Dhoni backing him to the death. As usual the selectors had their way and he was axed, never to return. I wonder if it was just his performance that led to his dismissal, I suspect a few disciplinary issues.

 
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Here the teams :

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Test squad: MS Dhoni (capt), VVS Laxman (vc), M Vijay, Abhinav Mukund, Rahul Dravid, Virat Kohli, S Badrinath, Harbhajan Singh, Ishant Sharma, Sreesanth, Amit Mishra, Pragyan Ojha, Zaheer Khan, Munaf Patel, Suresh Raina, Parthiv Patel.

Limited-overs squad: Suresh Raina (capt), R Ashwin, S Badrinath, Harbhajan Singh (vc), Virat Kohli, Praveen Kumar, Amit Mishra, Munaf Patel, Parthiv Patel (wk), Yusuf Pathan, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), Ishant Sharma, Rohit Sharma, Vinay Kumar, Manoj Tiwary, Shikhar Dhawan.


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Twenty20 squad: Lendl Simmons, Andre Fletcher (wk), Darren Bravo, Marlon Samuels, Danza Hyatt, Darren Sammy (capt), Christopher Barnwell, Andre Russell, Ashley Nurse, Devendra Bishoo, Ravi Rampaul, Krishmar Santokie.

Squad for first two ODIs: Lendl Simmons, Kirk Edwards, Darren Bravo, Marlon Samuels, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Darren Sammy (capt), Carlton Baugh (wk), Andre Russell, Anthony Martin, Devendra Bishoo, Ravi Rampaul.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 7:45am
No doubt that the Indian squad that arrives in England later in the year will look a whole lot stronger than this one !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 11:50am
Is it that the bigger players do not want to tour West Indies or they really needed the rest? Would Tendulkar have opted out if the tour was of England right after the tiring WC and the IPL? How Sehwag and Gambhir would both be fot right in time for the bigger series? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 1:20pm
  Well something had do give, with BCCI's crazy itinerary and the relentless non-stop cricket, tasking on the fans as well.  There will be a lot of interest ,though, in the windies tour, specially refreshing cos of the new faces. I think rotation policy is something which could become popular among a lot of countries given the modern day cricket calender.
 
  Are the selectors heuristic selection policies the right one though is a matter of debate. Cos this one could easily back-fire on em. No matter what the team is,  losing is never good. Winning is a habit and so can losing become. Hope the team comes off the caribbean in a positive frame with some momentum to carry to the UK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:52pm
Queen's Park Oval is not such a good venue for the Indians, I think I can safely say that West Indies will be winning a couple games this tour!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 4:58pm
I'm looking forward to this, India A team that against a Gayle less Windies.

I'd expect WI to win the ODI series easily, 4-1 for sure. the Tests however, should be a cake walk for India. 2-0 for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

I'm looking forward to this, India A team that against a Gayle less Windies.
I'd expect WI to win the ODI series easily, 4-1 for sure. the Tests however, should be a cake walk for India. 2-0 for sure.
I don't think that Indian second string team is that weak.
 
This team is good and can beat quite a few lower ranked ODI teams. 7 Pretty good bats, and 3 good bowlers there.
 
Dhawan
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Kohli
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Bhajji/Ashwin/Mishra
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Ishant/Vinay
Taking nothing away from WI team , they are a good unit with Bravo, Bravo Jr, Sarwan, Samuels, Bishoo,Simmons and Rampaul. Unpredictable players like Pollard and Russel.This team is good, not to be taken lightly. With little experience they will be a decent outfit. However I will go for 5-0 India win.At most Indian young bridage might lose one ODI, but not more than that.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 5:57pm
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Is it that the bigger players do not want to tour West Indies or they really needed the rest? Would Tendulkar have opted out if the tour was of England right after the tiring WC and the IPL? How Sehwag and Gambhir would both be fot right in time for the bigger series? 
It is a clear case of strategic move in resting the players ahead of gruelling English tour. Indian team management does not want to risk key players in WI tour.
 
I see two reasons,
1. To try out few alternative options , WI tour is the best option.WI team is an good upcomming one for future but as of now they lack expereience. If not against WI , then against whom can BCCI try new set of openers?
 
2. It has been a real long season for many players, some of them might have small niggles which could worsen in hectic 5 day format. England is a real threat and India needs full strength team against them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

However I will go for 5-0 India win.At most Indian young bridage might lose one ODI, but not more than that.

If that does happen then WI should rather quit playing cricket.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 7:10pm
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

However I will go for 5-0 India win.At most Indian young bridage might lose one ODI, but not more than that.
If that does happen then WI should rather quit playing cricket.
Maybe if that happens , then maybe it just goes to show how strong Indian reserves are!
You can't blame a new look team for losing to another new look team.Can we?Maybe I see it in a different angle.
 
Speculating on what might  happen this series is too early now, but still WI has got real talents for future. I see that WI is in good hands in Simmons, Bravo Jr, Barath, Roach.
 
Just couple of years the same ODI side will be a tough nut to crack.They just need some time together as a unit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 3:06am
Playing the 'best of the IPL' isn't exactly ideal Raj, I wouldn't say 5-0, but I think India has a chance to win. Remember last time they sent their 2nd string side and lost to Sri Lanka in Zimbabwe? India in some ways have disrespected WI by not sending their best side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 7:11am
No Mikey, that is a 'strategic' move. Sachin Tendulkar hasn't played a test in the West Indies for 8-9 years I think. As much as it is his personal choice, thiis is just not the kind of respect you give a test team. Plus, when the Aussies were dominant, I never saw any big player sitting out in a test series against a weaker opposition even if it was just before an important series. The hunger is just not there I am afraid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 7:36am
Spot on mate, on the odd occasion Australia would rest a player for a match after already winning the series, to give a squad member a go, but that was it. I can't remember Steve Waugh skipping any series for instance.

Sachin has the hunger, he's making tons in IPL and what not, but I don't really understand this move. Why is Raina all of a sudden the skipper too?
Partiv Patel is back? Wasn't Karthik used as a useless batsman in test cricket because he was meant to be the back up? Why has he been shelved? Some very strange 'strategic' moves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 2:29pm
Pretty poor test squad. We would have seen some records getting broken had this test squad visited England (fastest test match!!). Looks like Srikkanth wants to get the players from his state into the team before he leaves.
I am not impressed by Vijay or Badrinath. They don't seem to belong to the top league. Haven't seen Abhinav Mukund, but considering that, he is not even the best batsman of their state, he may not be great either. So if WI bowlers are anywhere near good, they should be getting these three wickets without giving too many runs and in quick time.


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Kiran, Badrinath has been profilic scorer all these years. Badrinath was averaging 55-58 in 2008, now he averages 62.That goes to show that he has not only performed, but improved then what he was. I don't see any regional bias in Badrinath's selection. Frankly speaking Badrinath should have been in squad in place of Rahul Dravid (I am saying this, Rahul has been one of my biggest favourite cricketers from '96 till '2007/8 in longer format).
 
On Abhinav, he is a very good prospect.He averages 59 per innings already and has 13 tons and 9 half centuries.On Murali vijay, yes to an extent he got lucky. Maybe becuase he was back up opener for so long , he becomes an automatic choice. Murali has it in him , but he is inconsistent just like Uthappa Ermm.So much of promise but they deliver in patches.
 
WI will have  Rampaul and Roach, who are pretty good bowlers. Bishoo has the promise.I can bet Badrinath and Mukund will be up the pace and spin challenge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 4:49pm
I just wish that one of the ODI's had been in Barbados, a Sehwag, Tendulkar, laxman, Dravid less batting attack would have been made to look stupid there!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 5:30pm
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Playing the 'best of the IPL' isn't exactly ideal Raj, I wouldn't say 5-0, but I think India has a chance to win. Remember last time they sent their 2nd string side and lost to Sri Lanka in Zimbabwe? India in some ways have disrespected WI by not sending their best side.

India even lost both the games to Zimbabwe in that series.

When players give more respect to a dmestic tournament like the IPL and not to an international tour then I'm sorry to say but it is disrespecting the game.

Initially ICC wanted India to send a full strength team but I never heard anything later, that is why Arjuna Ranatunga has said that "ICC is under the thumb of the BCCI", Tony Greig has said that if made president of the ICC the first thing he'd do is finish the influence of the BCCI on the ICC and majority of the cricket players now in a survey have said that the BCCI is too powerful and the ICC is always under their pressure.

This is why I really get pissed off by the BCCI and even the Indian players sometimes, they only think about money and nothing else.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2011 at 8:42pm

Originally posted by sam_ahmed

Initially ICC wanted India to send a full strength team but I never heard anything later, that is why Arjuna Ranatunga has said that "ICC is under the thumb of the BCCI", Tony Greig has said that if made president of the ICC the first thing he'd do is finish the influence of the BCCI on the ICC and majority of the cricket players now in a survey have said that the BCCI is too powerful and the ICC is always under their pressure.

Does a survey of  45 players make any sense ?  Ok let me just assume it does for a moment. Now let's see what this FICA is all about ?  http://www.thepca.co.uk/444.html . From the website I gather that FICA is made of SA, Aus, NZ, WI and SL. This does not even have full ICC members  .
Even couple of IPL franchise has  more than 45 good players Tongue (pun intended).

On a serious note , second question is who would have been surveyed. In all likelyhood my best guess is IPL rejects were handpicked for this farce.

I see where Tony Greig comes from , he was closely associated with ICL intially, which was nipped in the bud (sorry about that). Then wasn't he the one who was instrumental in getting many players signed for the then rebel Packer series? Anyway! (maybe he had some stakes in ICL secretly Wink)

On Ranatunga, he has joined polictics and is part of current opposition party.Yes, the same party where Hasan Tilakaratne is. He needs some USP, and its a fashion to criticize BCCI for anything and everything.So no surprises there.

I still don't get it , how is BCCI too powerful and still does not have single player in survey when they are powerful. What is the use of being powerful when they can't have their say, allows such reports to tarnish their image.

Why cry againt money power that IPL gives to a player , didn't County Clubs hire and lure many international cricketers?. BCCI has become a powerhouse recently, cricket has been played from a long long time. Who was calling shots then ? Which country boards had the power then ? Why blame BCCI for successfully organising IPL.

BCCI's success is just a case of sour grapes for many , and this whining will never stop.

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India in some ways have disrespected WI by not sending their best side.

 Fair criticism, one that they were bound to hear. Don't think they meant to disrespect WI or the game, but its clear where their priorities lie. In an ideal world they would've have skipped the IPL rather, but lets be realistic , money talks and most people would put family before career. I'm okay with them resting a few and trying out new players, to see where they stand. Vital exposure this for these youngsters. 

  When India had won the WC in '83 their immediate cricket after that was a 5-0 trashing they got from the hands of the WI. While this time a similar repeat looks unlikely, I wouldn't be surprised if the Windies were to nick more than a few to even take the series. I've got my doubts on Raina as Skip. Still think India would win both the ODI series and the Tests.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2011 at 10:29am
I have doubts about Raina being in the squad in the first place. India has at least 5 cricketers who average almost 60 in FC cricket and are the best in their respective states. So who did Raina sleep with to get a spot not only in the test team, but as back up ODI captain of his nation? He has a very hot and cold temperament, and his ability to play the short ball leaves something to be desired. Pujara, Badrinath, Uthappa, Tiwary all look better to me, and there's certainly a few others around that are probably more suited.
Very strange selections made by India... I was always critical of Dinesh Karthik being in the team.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2011 at 10:42am
 Oh Dinesh Karthik he's just plain crap. I'm okay with Raina in the ODI's , think he's got a fine temperament . Usually remains calm, has done well a lot of times in pressure situations/chases, Never seen him lose his temper or be overexcited or animated about things. I would've Badrinath, Pujara or even a Rahane before him in test matches though.  Uttappa and Tiwary just ordinary.

 Pujara's injured by the way. Yes ,again, in the IPL.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2011 at 1:45pm
I meant he was temperamental in that he throws his wicket away easily. He gets impatient, plays a rash stroke. All this T20 cricket has ruined the mind of these young cricketers. Look at Dravid or for more relevant examples, Trott and Amla. Very patient, don't play rash strokes and play within their limitations. That's what makes you a successful runmaker.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2011 at 5:39am
  That's the point Raina doesn't have such limitation. He's a free stroking batsman with the big shots and such batsmen are gonna go out mistiming a few more than a Trott, Amla or Dravid.  And also all those batsmen come up the order and have a different role as opposed to Raina who more often than not comes towards the fag end of the innings.  I've seen him guide the team to the finish line more often than give up his wicket easily. 

  Also Raina's just not cut out yet for Test cricket as much as those three.  I'm a fan of his but I've got no illusions that he and Dravid are cut off the same cloth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2011 at 8:01am
My comments are directed more towards Raina being in the test side, that's for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2011 at 8:08am
comfortable win in the end for India in the one off t20, as much unpredictable the T20 format is, team India were firm favorites to win this game having played in the IPL all these players were up for it and the WI T20 team was very very inexperienced. All their players who played in the IPL were not a part of the team yesterday. Having said all that I think it was a very good toss to win for Darren Sammy and credit should go to Rohit Sharma and Badrinath for playing so well and then Yusuf Pathan who is deadly dangerous in this form of tha game, the last 5 overs which went for 72 runs cost WI the match.

The ODI series begins tomorrow, and as I said earlier, I'd expect the WI to start off as the favorites with Sarwan, Dwayne Bravo and Pollard all expected to be back in the side and the Indian team being so inexperienced.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2011 at 5:45pm
India win again and again quite comfortably I should say, Rohit Sharma guiding the chase and I was surprised by the good show of Shikhar Dhawan (I do not rate him at all), Raina did his job and a rare failure for Kohli didn't cost India too much.

Well we'll see how WI do in the remaining games, they obviously an give India a good fight but then this is more of an India B team and honestly WI should do better than what they are doing at the moment, must be so frustrating for the fans too WI need to win to keep cricket alive in the country.

I have to say it is high time that teams like New Zealand, West Indies, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Ireland start challenging and winning against top teams on a consistent basis, the Brendon Taylors, the Tamim Iqbals, the Shakibs, the Darren Bravos and the Dockrells need to take cricket in their respective countries to the next level otherwise cricket could become limited to just 5-6 nations and eventually become very boring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:01pm
I think cricket is now limited to 6 nations, I mean India's A side made easy work of West Indies' top side, minus Gayle.

England, India, South Africa, Australia, SL and Pakistan are the only teams that really look like giving each other a challenge. We're starting to almost get 2 tiers in test cricket now, which is not necessarily what we want. But I must say, that not having Australia dominate the test arena has really brought about some awesome test cricket. Someone tell me, who is better out of SA, England and India? It's hard to say... even Australia and SL are not that far behind, a couple of good series and their form could make them very competitive to those top 3 sides!

Exciting stuff to come... but to be honest, I've never seen such a poor Australian side, the quality is really worrying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2011 at 7:02pm
In test cricket India, England and South Africa have certainly got ahead while Australia and Srilanka have fallen behind a little. Pakistan have made that No.6 position theirs, they can easily beat WI and NZL but will struggle against any of the Top 5. However, you can always expect AUS, SLN and PAK to challenge and beat any of the top 3, they can still provide us with good cricket.

unfortunately I cannot say the same about WI, NZL, BAN and ZIM, these four sides are just not quite there, although I'd say that all four teams have some very good players in their ranks (Even Zimbabwe now are on the right track and have plenty of cricket lined up ahead of them in the next 12 months) but these 4 teams cannot keep us waiting for ever, they need to perform and show us that they can beat the top 6 and challenge them consistently, only then will cricket become more interesting and fun to watch. I mean we cannot watch IND-AUS, ENG-RSA, PAK - SLN for ever can we? we need more competition.
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