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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Topic: India in West IndiesPosted: 22 June 2011 at 12:13pm |
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Think we could give it some more time before we write off the youngsters just yet. Agreed Mukund dint look the part in his double outings withe bat but don't think the time is ripe to strike him off yet. Murali Vijay on the other hand is gonna run out of opportunities very soon. Wouldnt mind seeing Rohit Sharma in lieu of Vijay.
Agreed with Kiranki that the likes of Rahane, Pujara Kohli all look better but the problem is none of them are openers. Here where India's problem lies the current two are the best opening options in the domestic circuit for India by some distance. The only other opener whose fared better than these two is Wasim Jaffer who again unfortunately is much closer to his cricket-career's expiry date. Hopefully Gambhir and Sehwag can stay away from injuries. On the bowling front Ishant and Praveen did well, particularly PK who seems to bowl well within his limits and be effective at the same time. Glad to see him make most of his 'luck' debut chance after coming to the side at the expense of Munaf, Zaheer and Sreesanth. Wonder if PK had anything to do with that weird coincidence of injuries . Oh I just love conspiracy theories. |
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 22 June 2011 at 6:38pm |
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India 166/6, have to say that dropped catch of Dravid has cost WI dearly, while India remain favorites, WI have a chance if they can wrap them up for around 200.
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 22 June 2011 at 7:02pm |
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sorry, I need to apologize for my above post, as long as Harbhajan, The best pressure situation batsmen in the world is batting, 400 is on the cards. WI might need around 500 to win here.
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 22 June 2011 at 7:12pm |
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OH MY GOD, now I need to apologize to Mr. Ice Cool for the kiss of death.
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Mikey
First Slip
Joined: 28 March 2011 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 949 |
Posted: 23 June 2011 at 3:43am |
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195 more to win, with 7 wickets in hand. Who is able to make a century on this wicket besides Rahul Dravid? Darren Bravo and Nash need to perform especially well. There's a remote chance for the Windies here if they don't capitulate. India is, nonetheless, in the box seat.
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 23 June 2011 at 10:35am |
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Wow This match well in balance . India with the slight upper hand , but being ahead at this stage of the game stands for little as both teams could very well come out victorious by the end of Day 4. WI will be hoping to stretch the current partnership to its limit, the outcome of which could well decide the fate of the game, another 40 to 50 runs from this stand a minimal requisite I would suppose. Good to see their batsmen come out with a positive intend taking the fight particularly to India's two strike bowlers.
Dravid's legend continues to grow. They don't make a lot of batsmen like him anymore . To fight with the grit of ones teeth to put it Dravid's words. http://icc-cricket.yahoo.net/newsdetails.php?newsId=15993_1308797400 |
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Mikey
First Slip
Joined: 28 March 2011 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 949 |
Posted: 23 June 2011 at 4:49pm |
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India have this in the bag. WI missed out in the first innings and it cost them. Now Dwayne Bravo or Gayle, and both Nash and Shiv lack match practice....
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 23 June 2011 at 5:35pm |
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never a chance the WI would have won this game folks, when it comes to winning a test you need to play well for 5 days and this west indian team cannot do that, I fancied them to win the ODI's though and they did play well in the last 2 matches esp with Russel in there, but for a test match India are not No.1 just like that, they won't allow WI to win any game, at the most WI can draw a game.
There is a strong chance that Gayle might come back for the second test though as the WICB and Gayle look to resolve matters, in case he comes we might see a different westindies side and then they may even be able to beat a depleted Indian team. Edited by sam_ahmed - 23 June 2011 at 5:39pm |
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spin wizard
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The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 23 June 2011 at 6:38pm |
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Well, well, if Rahul Dravid isn't a great batsman, then no one is. Rahul Dravid has now made this Sabina Park pitch his own, something that not too many batsman, no matter how great they are, can say the same for. In 2006, a pitch with swing, seam and lifting bounce, he made 2 half centuries and leading India to their first series win in the Caribbean. That innings was one of the highest class. Could the likes of lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, the 3 contemporary greats be able to do the same? I don't think so. Dravid is most definitely the wall!!! Not the most flamboyant (although he has a lot of pretty shots) but certainly a great as far as I'm concerned!
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 15694 |
Posted: 24 June 2011 at 6:09am |
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Dravid's innings certainly saved India and as SW has pointed out , he did it on a dodgy track. I believe the modern day batsmen simply don't apply themselves properly to the conditions. In days gone by with uncovered wickets , the batsmen were prepared to graft and leave as much as possible. Nowadays when conditions favour the bowlers it's almost a given that sides will get rolled over quickly - and that goes for every international side !
Even in today's test cricket where scoring at 3.5-4 runs per over is the norm , there's still room in every side for a Dravid , a Trott , a Chanderpaul or a Cook. |
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spin wizard
Opening Bowler
The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 25 June 2011 at 1:19am |
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You know what I find funny, everyone is on Darren Sammy's case to be dropped, yet his bowling stats for the home season so far reads an average of 19.5!! Rampaul is next with 23 I think and Bishoo 30. I don't think any West Indian bowler has average under 20 in a series other than Darren Sammy since Correy Collymore back in 2005 I think! Clearly, the batting is the problem. The bowling since in the WC has been doing well.
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 25 June 2011 at 7:23am |
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Yes Sammy has been surprising us for far too long to call it a fluke anymore. I cant comprehend his success rate esp with his friendly pace and lack of movement (sounds like Munaf) . But the fact of the matter is he's done well to keep his place in the team, I guess , and no matter how tempting it might be to have all of Roach Rampaul and Edwards in the team at once that will have to wait. The critics(I'm still one for the time being) though would still need some more convincing to accept this.
Also Praveen Kumar's effort in this test equally surprising, taking into account his toddler pace. Okay Im being mean, but still a little less than what you would call medium pace. Well done to the both of them. |
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 25 June 2011 at 7:32am |
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A word on the strip . Haven't seen many like this one , one that had something for all kinds of bowling Fast , Medium pace, Swing, Spin. All the bowlers ,from both teams, were among the wickets and other than Bhajji ,who got three wickets , no other bowler took less than four wickets in the match. Wasn't the worst batting track either like Dravid had pointed out. Was two-paced at times but generally there was enough consistent bounce to go after the loose deliveries.
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 25 June 2011 at 7:46am |
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I agree the strip was a very good one, when I say good I mean it had everything in it for everybody which is quite rare now a days, a full strength Indian team would have scored even more on that and if the WI batsmen could have applied themselves better then surely it was not as bad a track as they made it look.
Surprised by Praveen's superb performance, I never really thought of him as a test bowler.
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kirankri
Wicket-Keeper
Joined: 21 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 1088 |
Posted: 25 June 2011 at 8:04am |
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Dhoni not happy with Harper's umpiring and planning to launch a complaint !!! You say no to DRS, don't produce quality umpires any more and complain about umpiring. Utter rubbish. What else does he want then?
When they said no to DRS, they should have simply carried on with whatever decisions they got. And Harper to me doesn't look like a biased umpire. May not be a good umpire, but certainly not biased. Always felt Bucknor was biased against Indians in the later part of his career, but not Harper. Childish behavior really from the Indians. Edited by kirankri - 27 June 2011 at 6:32am |
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 27 June 2011 at 10:49am |
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So WI drop Brendon Nash. Samuels look most likely to get into that slot. Good move considering Nash's poor run with the bat and Marlon's ominously decent one in the recently concluded ODI series.
Interesting comments by Dhoni saying the current WI Top six equally matched with the present Indian team. Well if you look at some of the names Barath, Simmons , Sarwan, Chander , Bravo , Nash , Samuels you would've to think they even better, experience-wise at the least. Their batting line-up's like a ticking dynamite waiting to come up with the goods. Clearly lacking in confidence and experience at the moment. But all it could take is that one spark for them to tick faster, wonder if Gayle's the missing piece they waiting for. |
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 27 June 2011 at 11:09am |
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@ Kirankri. Yes no doubt they should've gone for the DRS , but even then I think Dhoni's right in voicing his concerns. I mean six wrong decisions in one match not acceptable and given Harper's poor track record I don't know why the ICC persisting with him. Apparently many among within the ICC too not very fond of Harper and they'd already ceased to extended his contract to be among the elite panel of umpires.
And all that news of bias all other rubbish are just media scoops, hearsay as of now atleast. For the record all Dhoni had said was that 'they(the team) would've been in their hotel rooms by then had the right decisions been made' , replying to a query in the Press conference. At no point did he even take any particular name, though its obvious that it was a jibe aimed at Harper as all six mistakes were made by him and on all occasions India being on the receiving end. Yes Dhoni well within his right to say what he did , reservations against the DRS or not. Anyways now that the DRS with the Hot-Spot has been made mandatory . No such issues anymore I guess. |
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kirankri
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Joined: 21 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 1088 |
Posted: 27 June 2011 at 2:56pm |
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My point was he can't do both V4P. If he had gone with DRS, I didn't have any problem with him launching the complaint. Or the other way too.
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spin wizard
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The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 27 June 2011 at 6:48pm |
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Goodluck to Dhoni's men, Kensington Oval it is, it will definitely feature pace and bounce. Both Indian openers back in the hut early again!
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 15694 |
Posted: 28 June 2011 at 8:07am |
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Just how long will the ICC persevere with Harper - the man's a clown , always has been , always will be.
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zuhair_abbasi
Number 3 Batsman
Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 6202 |
Posted: 28 June 2011 at 8:15am |
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Did they not just recently demote him?
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 28 June 2011 at 10:58am |
Pace and bounce. That's great news, these guys need to be tested , roughed up a bit and pushed to the limit. Surely the experience would do them more good than harm, in the longer run (fingers crossed) . Have a gut feeling that one of the Indian openers could shine. Then again my gut feeling always been misleading. |
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 28 June 2011 at 11:39am |
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Seems like India gonna go in with three seamers at Kensington Oval , with Munaf likely to take Mishra's place.
Will the Windies go for Roach? Can India finally end there jinx at Barbados? |
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 28 June 2011 at 5:50pm |
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44/4 at Lunch ... India seriously need better openers. Feel sorry for Virat though, he is such a fine player and I hope the selectors persist with him in the long run, he is one for the future.
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 15694 |
Posted: 29 June 2011 at 6:41am |
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13 wickets on day 1 compounds what I've said in another thread - when conditions favour the bowlers today's batsmen haven't a clue. That pitch is a belter , the curator deserves a big pat on the back providing the kind of wicket that the Indians didn't want ! That the Windies are also struggling just shows how average they are - it's a perfect platform for Chanderpaul and Sarwan to grind out the runs and show how to bat on a sporting track.
Will the curators in England have taken note - India don't like it around their throats ! |
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zuhair_abbasi
Number 3 Batsman
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Posted: 29 June 2011 at 6:54am |
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The series tells us two things - the West Indies batting is clueless against any attack and the Indian bench strength or as V4P and other have pointed out, the 'bench weakness' is also clueless. Too much IPL exposure at a stage when a young batsman would want to develop the game on technical grounds - has caused this imo. And I am afraid, the current crop of Rainas and Kohlis may well be the last good one coming from India for a long time to come.
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 29 June 2011 at 8:15am |
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Ah! No doubt the Indian batsmen don't like it around their throat. But this was a pitch that many would've been found wanting on. May not have looked that bad though. Just shows that there just two class acts out there in Dravid and Laxman among the Indian ranks atm. Having said that, I still wouldn't be too hard on the youngsters just yet, many playing just their 2nd test. Like I said earlier, hopefully they come out better with the experience. Agreed with Sledger though, not many batsmen out there who know how to grind it out in today's era.
P.S: Whoever said Raina had a problem with the shorter stuff. He's looked the best batsman out there since the commencement of the Test series. Also was got out genuinely, just once by the Windies bowlers. |
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 29 June 2011 at 5:50pm |
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Those two Indian openers are crap, as simple as that, I do not rate Raina either, yes he did OK yesterday but he is not a very good player.
WI at the moment are 82/5 and all I can say is that we have got a good game on our hands.
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vote4peace
Square Leg
Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 7:49am |
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Thought Praveen bowled beautiful. He had most of the Windies batsmen in a soup. Kept beating both the edges on numerous occasions. Infact was too good to even lure the edge of the blade. Needs to add a couple more yards though to have close to a successful stint in his Test career.
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spin wizard
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The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 01 July 2011 at 4:36am |
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V4p, any swing bowler will make a mess of West Indies. We are absolutely clueless against swing and spin. Raw pace, hey, we don't mind that!
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