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    Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:18am

Hope India can dismantle Jhonson just like what English did.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:29am
He took 20 wickets @ less than 30 in 5 tests. From my reckoning he did better than any Indian paceman of late in England and that's when he was in poor form, playing in unfamiliar conditions with a different ball than he is used to. I suspect he would have learnt a great deal from the 2008 series in India and from his 2 test series against India on how to bowl to Indian batsmen and how to use conditions in India. Brett Lee is the one to look out for anyway, he's the best ODI bowler in this series by far.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:36am
Aussies chances will largely depend on how Hauritz bowl in those conditions against some quality spin players
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:41am

Zuhair they are not that quality mate only Tendulkar is good.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:47am
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Robin Singh as fielding coach.. how? He's no Harper or Jonty that's for sure.
But he was very good. Easily the best India had since Solkar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:55am
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Zuhair they are not that quality mate only Tendulkar is good.

Even Indian no 11s are good against spin mate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:57am
That is going too far - both of you mates. Dhoni, Viru, Gautum and Yuvraj all are fine fine players of spin bowling I must say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:04am
I agree with ZuZu, most of the Indians are adept to spin. Not saying they are all as good as Sachin, but Gambhir, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Dhoni play spin well enough and Hauritz is not as much of a threat as say a Warne. Hauritz has bowled beautifully in the ACL T20 and hopefully that will be good preparation. He has this new self belief which I really like and he's getting some really nice turn. Holland at times has looked really good, but in T20 you're bound to have a couple of bad games which he has had. I think Australia's spin options are okay, nothing special, but respectable.
Peter Siddle shouldn't play. He's a bit one dimensional in limited overs cricket and his style is not particularly good for it, very much like Steyn. Slow medium to medium fast bowlers do quite well in India. Bracken would have been handy and so would some one like Andrew McDonald. Hopes might have a job with the ball out there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:05am
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Robin Singh as fielding coach.. how? He's no Harper or Jonty that's for sure.
But he was very good. Easily the best India had since Solkar.


Yup, there was nothing wrong with his fielding. If they wanted a fielding coach who was an Indian I guess he's the best option, but going for an overseas option for a fielding coach is probably the best bat in my opinion. They've sacked him , so I guess their line of thinking is like mine now over at the BCCI... which is a surprise!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:13am

Originally posted by milkman

He took 20 wickets @ less than 30 in 5 tests. From my reckoning he did better than any Indian paceman of late in England and that's when he was in poor form, playing in unfamiliar conditions with a different ball than he is used to.

Zak 3 matches,18 wkt at 20.33,ECO - 2.68,SR - 45.4
RP  3 matches,12 wkt at 28.33,ECO - 3.75,SR - 46.2
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:16am
Sorry I was a few off... it was less than 30 after the 4th test and I assumed it stayed that way. Apologies for my lack of research.

Zaheer's performance is definitely better than Johnson's... RPs is quite similar.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:24am

Well Yuvraj case , I cannot say how well he plays spin    , just like ponting, If he is set then no problem at all. While other youngsters like Raina,Kholi do not have any problems with spin.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:33am
Sometimes a technical issue against say pace or spin becomes evident once a player hits the big stage, but at domestic or junior level it's not evident. I wouldn't go out and say Kohli is necessarily a top player of spin yet. Time will tell.
Ponting has an okay record against spin, he plays leg spin quite well when he faces it, which is quite rare. Finger spin is more of an issue, especially right arm off spin. Harbhajan has the wood over him, but I feel Bhajji is not in the form of his life at the moment and Punter is playing really well. Should be an excellent series, full of solid rivalries. Shame Roy and Haydos aren't playing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:33am
This is my lineup
 
Shewag
Gambhir
Sachin
Raina
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Jadeja  (Kholi)
Bhajji
Nehra
Tyagi  (Ishant)
Munaf (PK)
 
It is a tough pick between Nehra/Munaf and PK.How will they manage after the return of Zak.What happens if my fav come back in reckoning ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:33am
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

That is going too far - both of you mates. Dhoni, Viru, Gautum and Yuvraj all are fine fine players of spin bowling I must say.


Yuvraj, a fine player of spin!!! That has to be the joke of the year Zuhair! He'll struggle to play even part time spinners!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:38am
Yes Roy and Haydos would have added fire, we are missing sreesanth too Wink  it would have been explosive combination. Guys watch out of Jadeja , he is a utility player.He would like to rub off the bad opinion on him that many think just because of one match in England.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:40am
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

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That is going too far - both of you mates. Dhoni, Viru, Gautum and Yuvraj all are fine fine players of spin bowling I must say.


Yuvraj, a fine player of spin!!! That has to be the joke of the year Zuhair! He'll struggle to play even part time spinners!!!
  Well Yuvraj is a type of player that you don't understand why he strugles sometimes.It is not that he always struggles againt quality spin. Sometimes he can blast even the best in bussiness,sometimes a 6 year old spinning toddler can make him look silly. 
 
EDIT: Remember Krezja..The way he blasted him in tour match made Ponting not to go with specilist spinner (in first two test) which cost Aussies the series.When Krezja played in III test , the actual line up were not that comfortable.So you see Sam, you never know which Yuvraj is taking stance.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:42am
Sometimes he looks too serious , other times he is completely nonchalant. Strange bloke this Yuvraj.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:42am
Ravi Jadeja is a gun player in ODI version. No doubts about it. but he'll have to do helll of a lot better to be test quality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:45am
Originally posted by milkman

Sometimes he looks too serious , other times he is completely nonchalant. Strange bloke this Yuvraj.
I would say he has underacheived than what he is capable of because of his carefree attitude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:49am
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Sometimes he looks too serious , other times he is completely nonchalant. Strange bloke this Yuvraj.
I would say he has underacheived than what he is capable of because of his carefree attitude.



He's a bit overrated. He'd be in this great batting line up next to Sachin, Laxman, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid and the pretty good keeper/bat in Dhoni and you'd think wow this guy is really out of his depth here. He is a lot better than what he's showing, it's quite unfortunate. One thing I hope for India's sake is that he never becomes captain... I thought he was the worst captain in IPL 2. His body language is attrocious and the only time he smiled during that whole IPL was when he got those 2 hattricks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:51am

I don't think he is aiming or even selectors have him in that frame of mind for tests.

Prior to 2003 India had two problem one wicketkeepr batsman and second an allrounder.Dhoni has solved one problem, while  for the second answers are yet to be found. Jadeja has age on his side, if he can become a good spinner and gain a place in side just as a bowler then it will be damn good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:55am
Ha ha Yuvi turned up to one game in IPL without knowing which players were KXIP playing.One more thing, I doubt he can take defeat in his stride,just like Gambhir. You never know we may be wrong.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:25pm
Sam is right fellas, no way is Yuvraj a good player of spin, he handles the ball coming on to the bat better.
 
Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar are 3 of the best players of spin around and Dhoni is very good too.  Tendulkar seems to pick anything, Sehwag is excellent at reading them off the deck and Gambhir has very good footworks.
 
Kohli isn't top class against spin yet but as is the case with most Indian, they're decent at it.  Saw Warne made him look like a real bunny once!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:49pm
There are times when Yuvraj just goes for it, pace, spin, no matter what and if he comes off he looks very dangerous... I mean when he is hitting them cleanly he doesn't really miss out on anything... but normally he is quite weak against spin bowling. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:58pm
Clarke is back for Australia which should help , since he's a top player of spin and has a liking for the sub continent pitches. He's certainly one of those cricketers who makes runs everywhere against all sorts of bowlers. Much different to Ponting, who only has 1 ton in India in tests after a number of series.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:03pm

He's from NSW isn't he? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:05pm
Yes he is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:10pm
Well, growing up on the SCG that can bounce quite a bit still and have help for spinners, you're bound to be adept to playing anywhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:12pm
There's a big emphasis in NSW in developing wrist spin and using wrist spin in particular. Not so much finger spin. I'd say most players coming from NSW are quite adept against the spinning ball. Mark Waugh used his feet well, Taylor, Steve Waugh, Slater and Bevan could all play spin reasonably well. I rate Haddin highly against spin as well.


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