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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Topic: India vs AustraliaPosted: 22 October 2009 at 10:18am |
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Hope India can dismantle Jhonson just like what English did. |
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:29am |
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He took 20 wickets @ less than 30 in 5 tests. From my reckoning he did better than any Indian paceman of late in England and that's when he was in poor form, playing in unfamiliar conditions with a different ball than he is used to. I suspect he would have learnt a great deal from the 2008 series in India and from his 2 test series against India on how to bowl to Indian batsmen and how to use conditions in India. Brett Lee is the one to look out for anyway, he's the best ODI bowler in this series by far.
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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zuhair_abbasi
Number 3 Batsman
Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:36am |
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Aussies chances will largely depend on how Hauritz bowl in those conditions against some quality spin players
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mystery
Opener
Joined: 15 January 2008 Posts: 2140 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:41am |
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Zuhair they are not that quality mate only Tendulkar is good. |
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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crapbag
Square Leg
Joined: 11 August 2008 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 279 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:47am |
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crapbag
Square Leg
Joined: 11 August 2008 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 279 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:55am |
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zuhair_abbasi
Number 3 Batsman
Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:57am |
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That is going too far - both of you mates. Dhoni, Viru, Gautum and Yuvraj all are fine fine players of spin bowling I must say.
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:04am |
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I agree with ZuZu, most of the Indians are adept to spin. Not saying they are all as good as Sachin, but Gambhir, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Dhoni play spin well enough and Hauritz is not as much of a threat as say a Warne. Hauritz has bowled beautifully in the ACL T20 and hopefully that will be good preparation. He has this new self belief which I really like and he's getting some really nice turn. Holland at times has looked really good, but in T20 you're bound to have a couple of bad games which he has had. I think Australia's spin options are okay, nothing special, but respectable.
Peter Siddle shouldn't play. He's a bit one dimensional in limited overs cricket and his style is not particularly good for it, very much like Steyn. Slow medium to medium fast bowlers do quite well in India. Bracken would have been handy and so would some one like Andrew McDonald. Hopes might have a job with the ball out there. |
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:05am |
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Yup, there was nothing wrong with his fielding. If they wanted a fielding coach who was an Indian I guess he's the best option, but going for an overseas option for a fielding coach is probably the best bat in my opinion. They've sacked him , so I guess their line of thinking is like mine now over at the BCCI... which is a surprise! |
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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MalhotraRaj84
Opener
Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:13am |
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http://stats.cricinfo.com/engvind/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=2872;team=6;type=series
Zak 3 matches,18 wkt at 20.33,ECO - 2.68,SR - 45.4
RP 3 matches,12 wkt at 28.33,ECO - 3.75,SR - 46.2 http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=4249;team=2;type=series Jhonson 5 matches,20 wkt at 32.55,ECO - 4.01,SR - 48.6 ...........No Comments
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:16am |
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Sorry I was a few off... it was less than 30 after the 4th test and I assumed it stayed that way. Apologies for my lack of research.
Zaheer's performance is definitely better than Johnson's... RPs is quite similar. Edited by milkman - 22 October 2009 at 11:17am |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:24am |
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Well Yuvraj case , I cannot say how well he plays spin |
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:33am |
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Sometimes a technical issue against say pace or spin becomes evident once a player hits the big stage, but at domestic or junior level it's not evident. I wouldn't go out and say Kohli is necessarily a top player of spin yet. Time will tell.
Ponting has an okay record against spin, he plays leg spin quite well when he faces it, which is quite rare. Finger spin is more of an issue, especially right arm off spin. Harbhajan has the wood over him, but I feel Bhajji is not in the form of his life at the moment and Punter is playing really well. Should be an excellent series, full of solid rivalries. Shame Roy and Haydos aren't playing! |
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:33am |
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This is my lineup
Shewag
Gambhir Sachin Raina Yuvraj Dhoni Jadeja (Kholi) Bhajji Nehra Tyagi (Ishant) Munaf (PK) It is a tough pick between Nehra/Munaf and PK.How will they manage after the return of Zak.What happens if my fav come back in reckoning ?
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:33am |
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Yuvraj, a fine player of spin!!! That has to be the joke of the year Zuhair! He'll struggle to play even part time spinners!!! |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:38am |
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Yes Roy and Haydos would have added fire, we are missing sreesanth too
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:40am |
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EDIT: Remember Krezja..The way he blasted him in tour match made Ponting not to go with specilist spinner (in first two test) which cost Aussies the series.When Krezja played in III test , the actual line up were not that comfortable.So you see Sam, you never know which Yuvraj is taking stance. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 22 October 2009 at 11:43am |
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:42am |
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Sometimes he looks too serious , other times he is completely nonchalant. Strange bloke this Yuvraj.
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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crapbag
Square Leg
Joined: 11 August 2008 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 279 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:42am |
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Ravi Jadeja is a gun player in ODI version. No doubts about it. but he'll have to do helll of a lot better to be test quality.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:45am |
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:49am |
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He's a bit overrated. He'd be in this great batting line up next to Sachin, Laxman, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid and the pretty good keeper/bat in Dhoni and you'd think wow this guy is really out of his depth here. He is a lot better than what he's showing, it's quite unfortunate. One thing I hope for India's sake is that he never becomes captain... I thought he was the worst captain in IPL 2. His body language is attrocious and the only time he smiled during that whole IPL was when he got those 2 hattricks. |
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:51am |
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I don't think he is aiming or even selectors have him in that frame of mind for tests. Prior to 2003 India had two problem one wicketkeepr batsman and second an allrounder.Dhoni has solved one problem, while for the second answers are yet to be found. Jadeja has age on his side, if he can become a good spinner and gain a place in side just as a bowler then it will be damn good.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:55am |
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Ha ha Yuvi turned up to one game in IPL without knowing which players were KXIP playing.One more thing, I doubt he can take defeat in his stride,just like Gambhir. You never know we may be wrong.
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spin wizard
Opening Bowler
The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:25pm |
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Sam is right fellas, no way is Yuvraj a good player of spin, he handles the ball coming on to the bat better.
Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar are 3 of the best players of spin around and Dhoni is very good too. Tendulkar seems to pick anything, Sehwag is excellent at reading them off the deck and Gambhir has very good footworks.
Kohli isn't top class against spin yet but as is the case with most Indian, they're decent at it. Saw Warne made him look like a real bunny once!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:49pm |
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There are times when Yuvraj just goes for it, pace, spin, no matter what and if he comes off he looks very dangerous... I mean when he is hitting them cleanly he doesn't really miss out on anything... but normally he is quite weak against spin bowling.
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God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you!
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:58pm |
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Clarke is back for Australia which should help , since he's a top player of spin and has a liking for the sub continent pitches. He's certainly one of those cricketers who makes runs everywhere against all sorts of bowlers. Much different to Ponting, who only has 1 ton in India in tests after a number of series.
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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spin wizard
Opening Bowler
The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:03pm |
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He's from NSW isn't he? |
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:05pm |
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Yes he is.
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spin wizard
Opening Bowler
The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:10pm |
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Well, growing up on the SCG that can bounce quite a bit still and have help for spinners, you're bound to be adept to playing anywhere.
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:12pm |
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There's a big emphasis in NSW in developing wrist spin and using wrist spin in particular. Not so much finger spin. I'd say most players coming from NSW are quite adept against the spinning ball. Mark Waugh used his feet well, Taylor, Steve Waugh, Slater and Bevan could all play spin reasonably well. I rate Haddin highly against spin as well.
Edited by milkman - 22 October 2009 at 2:13pm |
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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