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    Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:17pm

I guess Haddin and Clarke faced MacGill a lot in the nets, which would have helped.  Massive spinner of the ball plus an excellent googly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:44pm
I didn't saw Clarke's name in the squad, Is he in?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 2:59pm
Think he's coming at the end. Last 3 games.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 7:49am
Jhonson wants to open in ODI's Confused.That is an insult to current breed of openers in Australia.Hitting quick 25-35 at top order does not work out in long run Mr Jhonson!. Openers should be settled , must be capable to face all opposition and all pitches.Jhonson is surely out of his mind.
Pinch hitter once in a while at 1 down or 2 down is okay, but asking for a place higher up the order is going too far.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 8:11am
That is certainly not on and he will never open for an Australian team. I hope he does not want to turn into an Irfan Pathan. He is very talented with the bat but his core is bowling and that is where he should focus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 8:53am
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Jhonson wants to open in ODI's Confused.That is an insult to current breed of openers in Australia.Hitting quick 25-35 at top order does not work out in long run Mr Jhonson!. Openers should be settled , must be capable to face all opposition and all pitches.Jhonson is surely out of his mind.
Pinch hitter once in a while at 1 down or 2 down is okay, but asking for a place higher up the order is going too far.
 
Johnson is fooling himself just like Harbhajan did when he said he wanted to make a 100. He can open but his job is to do well in bowling.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 10:06am
In addition to Irfan pathan we have examples of James Franklin.Allrounder are developed right from their pre-teens.These kind of players can become useful batsman lower down the order.Not that they can not become batsman , but they will end up like Irfan.Which is a pity.
 
EDIT: Shoiab Malik now,  and Richardson turned completely into batsman.Probably it is easier for a batsman to turn into a useful spinner rather than a fast bowler turning into a batsman, barring Jayasuriya Tongue.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 11:00am
Aamer Sohail and Ijaz Ahmerd also started as bowlers - but they were both pretty ordinary bowlers and had to focus on their batting to remain in the team - unlike Johnson or the old Irfan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 12:06pm
There are many, many examples. Klusener was a raw and fast bowler who batted right at the bottom. He is probably now a batting all rounder and his bowling is basically fast off cutters now due to injury. Watson was a bowling all rounder now a batting all rounder while Flintoff was the other way around.
Brad Hogg started out as a batsman , as did Nicky Boje. Johan Botha was a medium bowler and should have stuck that way.
There are heaps of examples of it.
Harbhajan is kidding himself by saying he wants an ODI 100. Maybe he should start by getting one in 1st class cricket!!

Johnson will never open for Australia. He opens in club cricket (the level below first class cricket) which is why he probably had the idea. He's a very talented batsman, but if you're a left armer who can bowl 150kph then you have an even more special talent. Australia will never bat him above 8 in tests, no way, not unless they find 2 really excellent spinners out of no where which they won't. In ODI cricket he could bat at 7, but the balance doesn't need that because we have Watson, Hopes and the like who can bat and bowl.

I'm sure if he opened in 2020 he could be effective, no doubt. How is he any worse than those keepers who come out and open, but are normally lower order batsmen? Kaluwitharana comes to mind. However, he shouldn't open, I don't endorse it and he should only be used at 7/8/9 in the order or as a pinch hitter (as they used Warne for).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 1:30pm
Johnson, the man who could have barely moved Roach off the square when he was going all guns blazing against West Indies wants to open?  He needs to realise not all bowlers are as slow as Sammy.  He doesn't yet possess the ability to really beat around or handle raw pace as an opener.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 2:17pm
oh he really wants to open. I think he should focus on his bowling this is what Australia want's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 2:45pm
Johnson will not find a place in the team if he becomes an Irfan. He has to be a bowler first and a late order hitter 2nd. None of this opening the batting rubbish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 2:54pm
They should have put him to open on that Johannesburg pitch against the Windies when Roach pounded a few of the batters, his mind surely wouldn't have been on that anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 3:00pm
Put him in the nets against Brett Lee using a brand new ball and he won't want to be batting first up. I admire him for having those sort of goals, he's an honest and candid bloke , but it's a very left field sort of goal. Bit laughable, much like Singh's goal of a ton in ODIs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 3:20pm
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Put him in the nets against Brett Lee using a brand new ball
 
Naw, send him out to face him on the Gabba.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 5:21pm
I think the best thing will be to let him bat with Rohit Sharma for few days than he will forget how to bat than he will never say he wants to open.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 1:46am
Haha! Johnson has natural ability , no doubt about it. The balance is perfect now. Our main strike bowler is also batting security at 8 and can be utilised in a nigh****chman or pinch hitting role if the situation allows it. Even he admits that 8 in tests is fine and there's a possibility he could bat at 7 in the future, but I reckon this will only happen if we pick 2 spinners as I said , which is doubtful due to the depth of spin bowling at the moment.
In ODIs I'd only bat him above 8 if there's 5 or 10 overs left and there's an need to make a few extra runs. I really hope he doesn't lose focus on his bowling. I don't think he'll turn out like Irfan, but if he does we'll lose a fantastic bowler.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 4:48am
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I think the best thing will be to let him bat with Rohit Sharma for few days than he will forget how to bat than he will never say he wants to open.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 5:23am

I was joking mate anyway i dont think anyone needs knoweledge to say that he really is a waste of space.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 6:34am
You are absolutely right about Jhonson when he is not on radar.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 6:37am
Why do you continue to misspell Johnson's surname time and time again? It's not Hindi, there are no names in English where a J is followed by an H.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 8:30am
Yuvi will miss out on tomorrows game due to injury, I mean it's very likely that he'll miss out. Dhoni is also carrying a minor injury after being hit on his knee by a Munaf delivery, but will play tomorrow.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 8:33am
Perhaps Dhoni might just play as a batsman due to injury and Karthik will keep? Dhoni needs to play for India to win I reckon that's his importance to the side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 9:40am
Karthik's not in the squad, milks, but it wouldn't be difficult for India to call up a wicket-keeper if they had to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 9:53am
Yer, they're playing at home so it's possible if they needed keeping cover to call him up. Keeping really takes a lot out of the knees, so if he got hit in the knee it might be hard for him to keep wicket for 50 overs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 10:19am
Can Kohli keep? I think I read somewhere that he can
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 10:29am
Rohit Sharma probably can, he's perfect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 10:42am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 10:59am
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