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spin wizard
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Topic: India vs Sri Lanka Posted: 10 August 2010 at 10:01pm |
Mystery, I never said India won't lose again, I said it could be expected that they won't fold so cheaply again, and that's the difference between these and the minnow sides.
Not sure why you don't rate Laxman, Very Very Special alone says it all. Dominated the best attack of his time (Warne, McGrath, Gillespie etc), which makes you wonder why he hasn't average as much as Tendulkar and Dravid. I enjoy watching Laxman bat everytime he goes out to bat, sometimes you can set 3 fielders close together and Laxman will wristily find a way through them, takes a lot of class to do that. Might be an under-rated cricketer but a highly effective one as far as I'm concerned.
You're right about Dravid too, doesn't get the same respect as Sachin and no one else in that line up would, no matter how much form they're in, as long as Sachin is in the team, the spotlight will always be on him, which is quite fair enough.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 2:31am |
Good news for all NZ fans as they are now at no.2 in ranking and bad news for Indian fans as they slip to 3rd and might slip to 6th if they lose all matches 
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 3:47am |
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An off day for India with the bat... all out for 88 like the Aussies against Pakistan! Spinny is right. Good teams will have a bad day and get bundled out once and fight back the next match, a batting line up like Zim or Bangladesh will not be expected to make a big score after folding in a previous innings.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 3:52am |
Originally posted by Sledger
Spinners love bounce ! Aussies tracks have everything - value for your shots , good pace and turn after a couple of days. Not extravagant turn , but enough for quality bowlers to trouble the best of batsmen. Swann will do well this winter and if England do retain the Ashes , he'll be a major reason why.
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I seriously think that Anderson will be eaten alive in Australia, yet again. You can't afford to bowl too full here and he will get undone. As I said before, Hilfenhaus is Australia's best fast bowler because he adjusts his length according to conditions with complete ease and is not a rhythm bowler. Anderson needs to make adjustmentslike Hilfenhaus does and work on bowling Stuart Broad lengths. I do however think that Broad also gets a lot of his wickets only when he finds his swing, which he might struggle to do here with the kookaburra and he might get frustrated... certainly that's what happened in 2006/07 with Flintoff and co. Swann is the key, he's the one guy who can do really well, he's definitely England's best bowler by a country mile and that's no disrespect to Anderson, I just think he's England's most dynamic and efficient bowler. If he doesn't take at least 25 wickets for the series England will not retain the Ashes. For mine it's Finn and Swann who will be the enforcers. I also think England MUST consider 5 bowlers. Ponting is due for a big summer and he loves the home conditions, while Clarke seldom does poorly at home.
Edited by milkman - 11 August 2010 at 3:54am
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 6:15am |
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We're off topic here Milky and I understand your concerns about Jimmy , but I think that while he won't run through the Aussies , I do believe he'll make breakthroughs first up. He's a much better bowler than he was the last time they toured Australia , much more experienced.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 6:29am |
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On current form and facts , Australia do not stand a chance to win a single match against England this Ashes. Swann,Broad,Jimmy and Finn will be too hot to handle.
Further discussions I will put in appropriate thread when someone starts it.
What pathetic performance by India, I had told earlier India is not a good side in ODI's.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 6:41am |
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India aren't a good side in tests either.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 6:49am |
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In my opinion India is an excellent side in Test and just ok/good in ODI's, while exactly opposite is Australia with excellent ODI unit and ok/good./average Test side.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 9:52am |
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I just think it's rather humourous that you think Australia won't win a single match of a 5 test series at home against a side whose only bowler to have bowled here is Anderson....
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 11:19am |
Originally posted by milkman
India aren't a good side in tests either.
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Yes and they will never became good unless Pakistani give them Aamer and Asif.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 5:06pm |
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Haha, Raj's rating of teams here is funny. India, when players are in form in ODI's, can only be stopped by Aussies as far as I'm concerned. Remember when India were rampant around 2006 when they were just belting sides in ODI's but Aussie still beat them at home. India have a very good limited overs team and a good test team too. Aussies have the best ODI outfit, no doubt about it and their test side isn't average. It would surprise me if England even won 1 game in Australia. Against Australia, your most dangerous batsman have to be in form to stand a chance - in this case, it's KP and he's still looking scratchy.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 6:04pm |
When I think of England batting , I feel they can't lose a test against current Australian bowling lineup.My comments might seem funny , but Strauss,Trott,KP,Morgan and Colly as a group are really good.They won't be intimidated a bit.Plus Ausstralian batting will have tough time against Swann.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 7:10pm |
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If Australia's bowling is so bad what do you think about the Perfect Indian team?? Swann is good but he is not Shane Warne.
Edited by mystery - 11 August 2010 at 7:11pm
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Posted: 17 August 2010 at 6:34pm |
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A very very boring and unnecessary tri series is going on and this is the reason why ODI cricket comes under the scanner. A totally unnecessary series involving same old India - Srilanka playing against each other for some 100th time in last one year, who wants to watch this? Please.
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Posted: 18 August 2010 at 9:04am |
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Agreed with Sam. It's just tiring the players out, why do you think India has played so many weaker sides in ODI cricket in recent times, even they think it's a shame and they are the country that loves limited overs cricket the most. Certainly this is what's killing ODIs. Everyone is talking about getting rid of ODIs, it's like they are trying to put a nail in the coffin for this format by overplaying it. What a shame.
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Posted: 18 August 2010 at 5:24pm |
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but why people talk like this, i mean ODI's are not that boring. I love one day cricket, it has its own status but it is not organized properly like SR and India are playing against each other again and again.
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Posted: 18 August 2010 at 7:37pm |
funny little thing going on here, first of all I don't understand why would a bowler deliberately bowl a no ball just to stop the batsman from making a hundred (which Randiv did  ). Secondly, why would a team ban their own player for doing something which is legal!!! If anything fight the system not your own player. I understand it's against the spirit of the game, but well... this was a bit too much!
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Posted: 18 August 2010 at 8:38pm |
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It's the right sentiment from the board, but yes it could be perceived as a little harsh. It isn't as if they are short of spinners to call on though. You could say it's another instance of no-ball controversies following Sri Lankan off-spinners around if you wanted to be a bit mischevious.
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Posted: 18 August 2010 at 9:43pm |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
funny little thing going on here, first of all I don't understand why would a bowler deliberately bowl a no ball just to stop the batsman from making a hundred (which Randiv did ). Secondly, why would a team ban their own player for doing something which is legal!!! If anything fight the system not your own player.
I understand it's against the spirit of the game, but well... this was a bit too much!
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Sehwag says that its against spirit of the game than what was that when he said Bangladesh cant win becuz they cant take 20 wickets was that not against spirit of the game? Randiv getting banned is a joke when a guy throw a ball at someone he only gets fine and when someone bowls a no ball which is legal as you said gets banned really ridiculous thinking.
Edited by mystery - 18 August 2010 at 9:45pm
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Posted: 18 August 2010 at 10:44pm |
Nothing wrong with Sehwag's comment to Bangladesh, pre match banter has always been part of the game, even we guys at the smaller level have a bit of it with our opponents as good hearted fun.
It was very ridiculous what Randiv did, although not illegal. I commend Sri Lanka Cricket for the bat, that's plain stupidity just to deny a guy ah hundred. Why didn't he go for a leg side wide and say the ball slipped, that would have been easier to get away with than a spinner over stepping by a mile.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 1:38am |
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Its fine SW when you do that against a good team but saying that to a side like BD is just showing disrespect which should not happen. I agree Randiv is really stupid a wide would have been a easy option.
Edited by mystery - 19 August 2010 at 1:39am
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 5:22am |
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It is not the first time then why blow it out of proportion? Cricinfo has written a nice piece today
http://blogs.cricinfo.com/fromeditor/archives/2010/08/out_of_proportion.php. It has all been done before this is just SLC trying to please BCCI as they feed on them. Shame.
Wasn't it Sehwag himself who kicked the ball to the boundary denying Amla a single? Spirit of Cricekt.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 6:16am |
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Zuhair thats what i wanted to say Sehwag should not talk about spirit of cricket SL are just blind all they want is money they will even ban their players for 5 years if BCCI says.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 6:35am |
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How about that incident in South Africa when they banned virtualy half the Indian team and then they walked out and the final test wasn't even given test status. Rahul Dravid putting a throat lozenge on the ball? Gambhir physically assaulting Shane Watson.... list goes on. Indians always cry foul, but they play the dirtiest cricket.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 6:38am |
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Still at most they just get fine becuz of the big boss (BCCI) but i think Dravid has a great attitude he is a honest guy.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 6:39am |
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I'm sick of Ponting getting called a cheat. It's not cheating by claiming a catch when even video evidence, which is 2D not 3D is inconclusive. A cheating catch would be like Rashid Latif's against Bangladesh, but he admitted it eventually.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 6:41am |
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I dont think anyone should care the people who says that dont even know most of the rules.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 6:56am |
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Sangakkara came up with a simple solution - if a batsman scores off a no-ball that counts before the extra - that'll at least sort out deliberate no-balls , but wides are a different matter.
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Posted: 22 August 2010 at 2:06pm |
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So India 103 all out. Robit again proof's that he is good for nothing and India again proof that without Tendulkar they are nothing.
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Posted: 22 August 2010 at 3:04pm |
Originally posted by spin wizard
Sam, the difference is, you can be assured that India won't be folding again this series for 88, while with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, you could have been guarantedd another 88 or some score below 150, that's the difference. Everyone have off days in Cricket, but you tend to get thrashed by the media etc when it becomes all too often.
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now they get bowled out for 103 and lose with some 210 balls to spare, that is humongous, I'm sure even China cannot lose like this if they play cricket!!! ... and now will anyone say India should be banned from ODI's? Thank God this is not happening to BAN and ZIM.
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