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    Posted: 11 April 2011 at 8:04pm
look I don't want to take anything away from Raj but except for his prediction of the Player of the Series, which was Yuvraj Singh, no prediction was exceptional.

He predicted PAK to barely qualify for the QF's, as it turned out they topped the group, he predicted NZL to top their group as it turned out they finished 4th. He predicted BAN to barely win a game, as it turned out they beat both IRE and ENG apart from beating NET, well and many more such predictions. In fact his prediction of RSA reaching the finals was good but it went wrong which was unfortunate.

I'm not having a dig at him, neither am I saying he is not good at predictions, in fact his knowledge about Indian cricket and players is excellent and he has a very good cricketing brain too but his predictions are nothing but biased in favor of India and against Pakistan and even Bangladesh. Most of the time he doesn't predict things he merely writes what he wishes.

Now once again, nothing against him, but highlighting only the right things and not the wrong ones is... well... not fair.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2011 at 4:45am
As it seems, BCCI is having a dispute with ONE HD, the television channel which broadcasts the IPL in Australia. That means no IPL broadcast in Australia...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2011 at 6:29am
First of all , when I had predicted each match,standings in group table, QFs line up ,Semis and Finals .It is but obvious that some predictions will go wrong.It has to Sam.
 
Sam, no one can predict 100% infact when the tournament is so big with so many teams.I have pointed out that I have gone wrong about Group B's minnows ability and overestimated Group A's minnows somewhere in the forum.
 
But as you pointed out some things, would like to say few things
 
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

He predicted PAK to barely qualify for the QF's, as it turned out they topped the group
Yes they topped (which I did not expect), but it all came to last Aus-Pak match. If Pak had lost then they would finish on 4th won't they?. But then Sam if you remember I had told that I see all 8 biggies to make it to QFs, I had told if there is possibility then it would be Pakistan to lose out. Now how could I expect Australia (and SL) to lose to Pakistan before the tournament. 
 
I expected Pak to falter against one minnow in one of the games (I was banking on ZIM), but that actually happened against CAN, pity they could not cash in.If not for Afridi , there would have been an upset. 
 
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

he predicted NZL to top their group as it turned out they finished 4th.
Again if you observe it was last match NZ-SL, If NZ had won they would be end up with 10 points and they would top the group (as they had better run rate).
 
Anway you are pointing out my wrong predictions on point table standings.Sorry I can't make such accurate predictions.
 
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

 He predicted BAN to barely win a game, as it turned out they beat both IRE and ENG apart from beating NET
Yes I did not expect BAN to beat ENG even in my wildest dreams. I never expected England to lose so many players throught the tournament match after match.I said BD will be lucky if they beat IRE , at it all depends on how IRE handle spin.
 
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

but his predictions are nothing but biased in favor of India and against Pakistan and even Bangladesh. Most of the time he doesn't predict things he merely writes what he wishes.
You recently said, BD to be in top 6 in future?. So I guess everyone has come wishes and bias. 

Originally posted by sam_ahmed

Now once again, nothing against him, but highlighting only the right things and not the wrong ones is... well... not fair.
 
For your reference from other thread , posted on April 4th mate.
 
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

Yes, I was more biased towards Group B. I expected all Group B teams to be semis.SA and Ind by capability, while I just hoped WI and Eng get lucky in Quarters. I was over ambitious about WI.Then I assumed SA to beat WI/Eng if they face them in semis. (I secretly knew SL/Pak have better chance as we are all playing in Sub-continent, I just did not want to believe it Wink)
EDIT : I should have given some weightage to SA's age old ability to err ...... forget it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2011 at 4:13pm
Hmmm.. My spidey sense senses hostility over here . Anyways good outings for both KKR and RR. Pleased to see AL Menaria perform (somewhat). Was one of the youngters being talked up before the IPL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2011 at 5:35pm
nothing against you Raj, I was just making a point. :)

coming back to IPL, well Charges are going no where, I'd love to see KKR win this time but genuinely I think Bangalore have a terrific team and are my favorites followed by Pune who I think have a fantastic T20 team.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 8:54am
It will be either of Mumbai or Chennai. Although, I am not following the IPL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 9:11am
 Well Zuhair I can assure you the following is not the same as the previous editions. Most likely reason to be WC hangover too much cricket and such a short burst, they taking the indian cricket public a lil too much for granted.

  Apparently KKR's first home match, the day before, saw a turn out of only 25000 of the 65000 capacity. 1st time the stadium was not filled to capacity ( remember previously before the WC renovation the capacity was more than 90000).  Another reason being the exclusion of Ganguly from the side not going down too well with the home crowd.

Having said that the analyst say the viewership is still a lot more than any other normal cricket match not involving India.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 10:22am
 Sachin seems to have picked up from where he left. Love you man. keep it going.

I know there have been a few suggestion stating that maybe this would be the right time for him to hang his boots from ODI's. But with all due respect that decision solely lies with the man himself. The game is much more than something he just passionately loves so much, its his life and breath. That day will eventually come, and I'm sure is gonna be the most painful one in his life. He's given us so much to rejoice, I think its only fair for us to accept his decision to play on.   Sachin and only Sachin should make that call, till then lets all just enjoy it while it last.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 11:13am
I don't see any reason why he should call it quites. He is playing as well as he probably ever has - and seems pretty fit on the field in any format that he plays. And I as a cricket fan would want Sachin to continue as long as it goes - because there are few better sights in world cricket than watching Sachin bat in supreme touch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 11:58am
Two wickets of the first two balls for Praveen Kumar and he's showing what India missed for the WC, not that they could've done better than winning it.

This the 2nd match in a row he's got a first ball wicket( got G Smith in the last match). Looks an ominous comeback by him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

I don't see any reason why he should call it quites. He is playing as well as he probably ever has - and seems pretty fit on the field in any format that he plays. And I as a cricket fan would want Sachin to continue as long as it goes - because there are few better sights in world cricket than watching Sachin bat in supreme touch.


Yes would love to see him carry on for ever. But sadly, all good things must come to an end.

 Meanwhile Sachin has been feted by Wisden for the first time since it started in 2004. Finally.. Big%20smile

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/current/story/510540.html


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 12:54pm
Punjab and Gilchrist seems lost out there, as two India discards M Vijay and Badrinath make them bleed. Superb comeback taht!!!

Feel sorryfor Badrinath, He would have made a name for himself had he got more outings with Team India. Unfortunate for him that his career had to collide with some of the greatest around (Dravid, Sachin , Laxman)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 3:15pm
 Valthaty Who?? Hello stranger !! My word what a knock, and where did he come from. Treated the likes of A Morkel, Southee, Ashwin , Randhiv with absolute disdain. Apparently he had played alongside I Pathan,  Parthiv Patel in his U-19 days.

 His name in malayalam(my regional tongue ) translates  'sword lowered', He did anything but that out there in the middle today. Today he upheld his sword(bat) real high.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 7:14am
Maybe that refers to his back lift which is so low - and he generates that much speed - much like MSD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 10:12am
Decent outings for R.Jadeja and Robin Uthappa, should bring a smile to their fanatic's faces. Meanwhile Watson, Lee, Shakib, C White, Bollinger to join the rest of the bandwagon at  IPL-IV.

In other news Pakistan keen to start their own version of the IPL, and are  planning of holding it in Dubai. Umm... so very soon we could be watching a PPL too. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 10:35am
We need one T20 league, considering the pool of decent quality players worldwide is not that great. Even the talent in IPL is very limited - really need to have 5 international players per team not 5 (in the starting XI).

Now that there are 8 teams you're going to find the talent will be even more diluted. I'm not looking forward to the 5 new leagues that will pop up. If other boards get a cut of BCCIs revenues then they will create a window for IPL and expanded to maybe 10 teams and then you will stop other leagues popping up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 10:38am
The Pakistan League is unlikely to happen and even if it does, it wont attract the bigger players. Only the discards and those who were not auctioned will give it a go. It could be one for a lot of BD and Zim players - and it wont be a huge success in the UAE. the PCB, it seems, is in desperate mood to earn some revenue as we have no cricket at home and that is not likely to change in the next year or so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 10:54am
If Pakistani players can play IPL that will certainly ease the pressure on the PCB to increase the player income. That would be, at least, a temporary solution to the issues at hand.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 5:33pm
There is one wonderful news that has come for both PCB and also for cricket fans all across the globe, Indian government have announced that India will resume cricketing ties with Pakistan and it is likely that the Pakistani players will be allowed to play in the next years IPL as well.

The series might be played next year in March when PAK are scheduled to tour India although the talk is that India will have to tour PAK before that. However, India do not have a window to tour Pakistan anytime before March next year.

It has been left to the respective boards to decide on the dates and venues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 7:49am
India is not going to tour Pakistan anytime soon - the only teams that I see coming to Pakistan are BSD, SRL and maybe Zim if they get their test status back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Mikey

If other boards get a cut of BCCIs revenues then they will create a window for IPL and expanded to maybe 10 teams and then you will stop other leagues popping up.


I find that absurd. Why would the BCCI share the revenues of its domestic league with the other boards. I don't see ECB sharing their county cricket revenue or ACB giving a share of its Big Bash domestic T20 competition despite having many foreign players too.

I don't see any reason why the IPL should have a separate window (its purely a domestic tourney), or why other leagues shouldn't prop up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 8:22am
I think it can only be good for cricket and its fans to have India and Pakistan resume their cricketing ties. And yes the FTP says that India will be hosting Pak for 3 tests and 5 ODI's during Mar 2012. Doubt they've got room to fit in a tour to Pakistan before that. It looks jam-packed.

And Zuhair I don't think you can blame India or any other country for being wary of touring Pakistan at the moment. I also believe that that both the BCCI and the PCB shared a good rapport and worked very closely before they severed ties. Hope that continues..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 8:46am
At no point did I blame the BCCI mate. What happened to the Lankan team in March 2009 was reason enough for other teams not to tour Pakistan and I am absolutely fine with it.

Playing a home series in UAE wont be a bad idea though. India being the world champions now would not be too keen to make room for bilateral series though methinks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 9:53am
hehe . I don't think their world champions status will have anything to do with it. Its just a matter of being able to find room to add one more series in their cricket calender. You can check their FTP absolutely no breather for those players, typical BCCI(when will they ever learn, these players are human beings not horses). Wouldn't be surprised if a couple of players be downed by fatigue before the season ends.

Personally I would rather see India take on Pakistan than the IPL, or atleast the International Indian players being rested during the IPL. But we all know that ain't gonna happen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 10:46am
That will never happen mate, you are right. And it won't be long before the ICC finds a window for IPL in the calendar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 12:31pm
No Vote4Peace. You fail to understand my point. What BCCI want is a window to play their tournament, therefore all international cricket will stop. This won't happen as ICC cannot consent to doing such a thing without the other boards agreeing. Thus to make them agree to window, which highly benefits the BCCI, there would need to be an incentive for other boards to stop their test matches - which gain them revenue, and that would be cash.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 12:51pm
The ICC is pretty much the BCCI - so it won't be long before that happens. I do not see the ECB altering their season - so it will be the IPL which will be shifted to some other months and all boards will eventually succumb to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 2:15pm
I'm afraid you're right. BCCI = ICC. Weakest 'board' that could possible exist. Money and sex make the world go around, and I'm afraid the only sex that is involved in cricket has to do with Shane Warne. Thus it's money money money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

nothing against you Raj, I was just making a point. :)

coming back to IPL, well Charges are going no where, I'd love to see KKR win this time but genuinely I think Bangalore have a terrific team and are my favorites followed by Pune who I think have a fantastic T20 team.
I very know Sam that you have nothing against me, just that I was pointing to some points that you missed.
 
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Originally posted by Mikey

No Vote4Peace. You fail to understand my point. What BCCI want is a window to play their tournament, therefore all international cricket will stop. This won't happen as ICC cannot consent to doing such a thing without the other boards agreeing. Thus to make them agree to window, which highly benefits the BCCI, there would need to be an incentive for other boards to stop their test matches - which gain them revenue, and that would be cash.


Oh well if thats the case then yes they'll have to share revenue with other boards. But the ICC shouldn't tow along those lines and let them have a window. Its fine the way its going on at the moment.

I think the BCCI has given up on that (separate window). They reiterated their stand that they don't need one.

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