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sam_ahmed 
Middle-Order Batsman 
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
 Topic: Indian Premier League 2011Posted: 21 May 2011 at 4:24pm |
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so Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai and Bangalore make it to the semi finals, except for the first game between KKR and CSK I cannot remember one game in this IPL which could even be called as a "close" one , interesting that because as long as Modi was in-charge most of the games used to have those nail biting finishes and every edition one game used to go to the 'super over'.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 22 May 2011 at 6:27pm |
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Dead right, Modi was so special in that aspect. He used to talk to team lagging behind and motivate them and bring the best out of them. Now there is no one from IPL commitee who interacts that much with underdog/ laggard teams.
His importance is known only after he is not anymore in IPL ...really interesting. Maybe he was a lucky charm in addition to his unparallelled bussiness acumen.
But then what you sow is what you reap,so is Modi reaping for his ill deeds. But then that is politics and money greed. Good lord there was no match fixing, which I would never pardon. Anyway I will remember him for all the good things that he did to the game
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 27 May 2011 at 8:37pm |
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Three out of four teams ( CSK,MI and RCB) as I expected made it to final four
 . Happy with 75% in such a unpredictive format.
KKR did well and probably they were worthy of 3rd spot rather than Mumbai. Mumbai peaked too early and almost lost their place to Kings XI Punjab (had they not panicked in thinking too much ahead and batting second in all important game against DC). RCB did well, Gayle did bulk of work and hardly left anything else for others to do.
CSK as usual , Give MSD any team he can extract the best among them. A champion captain that he is.
On tommorow's match CSK should win it as they have an allround team. RCB has few single handed matchwinners. It really does not matter as the two best teams have come to finals and whoever wins, will be well worthy of it.
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sam_ahmed
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Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 28 May 2011 at 7:20am |
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RCB should win, more than an all round team it is having more "match winners" than win you T20 games, it only takes 1 or 2 players to win a T20 game for you and I think RCB should come through.
The two best teams have come through though and I like the idea of this "Play offs" rather than the SF's, It was really good, rewards you for doing well in the league phase and makes the performance in league matches all the more important.
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vote4peace
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Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 28 May 2011 at 8:50am |
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No not Chennai vs Bangalore again. The 3rd time inside this week. Would've loved to see CSK vs KKR. But then both these teams deserving.
Yes the Play Offs is a good concept. The league stage was a bit of a drag though. Except for the first and the last matches none other were memorable.
If the finals can be as good as the play-off game involving these two then we would be in for a treat. That was a superb game. CSK seemed to have dug themselves into a ditch until Raina Dhoni and Morkel happened. I mean to carry the team from some 50-odd/2 in 10 overs to chase down 175 with two balls to spare
 . Morkel showed why SA goofed up in not picking him for the WC- the best finisher in world cricket atm. Raina, this lad's a special talent. The way he hits those Sixes at will and that too makes it look so effortless and classy. Those two sixes of Mithun- absolute grace- esp the 2nd one. He literally cover drove into the stands. The final in Chennai and CSK are unbeaten at home this season, but I feel RCB will put a spot in that unblemished record of their's. RCB my pick to lift the cup.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 28 May 2011 at 8:22pm |
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No surprises there CSK had to win, MSD is such a fantastic captain. Now the good thing about Chennai is that there were few morons I knew who would say that IPL is fixed and each of the franschise would win the tournament in rounds one after other. Good that this second victory by CSK on a trot will shut their mouth and I won't be hearing such nonsense anymore. No doubts, captain is just as good as the team, but some captains are special.
I have been following cricket from late 80's as a kid, Only Steve Waguh and MS Dhoni Count as real captains in my book. Rest were just a captain by appointment by the respecitve boards. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 28 May 2011 at 8:24pm |
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sam_ahmed
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Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 29 May 2011 at 7:10am |
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Congratulations to MSD and CSK on winning the IPL season 4.
Dhoni is a very good captain, no doubting that, so was Steve but to say people like Cronje, Fleming, Imran, Arjuna, Wasim, Nasser and a few others don't count as real captains is a very ignorant statement. As for the IPL being fixed or not, well God knows best, all I can say is, this edition looked very clean. |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 29 May 2011 at 7:33am |
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All the captains that you mentioned are good....add few more like Border,Taylor,Atherton, Ganguly, Dravid, Strauss,Vaughn, Pollock, Hooper, Sanga, Smith etc.
But if I have to put all these in two seperate basket then only MSD and Steve Waugh go into one basket and rest into the other.
Never measure a captain by one world cup victory or number of series wins or success percentage. Statistics is the last thing that should be used to rate a captain.
I rate Waugh and MSD becuase of their feild placings, intuitive ability , planning , guts to do it in big stage , how they carry on in tougher situations, how they motivate and handle players and lot many things.I rate them because they have been instrumental more than any other captain to turn the match from tougher situations by choking oppositions.These two captains were able to pull victory fromthe jaws of defeat. That sets they apart from the rest.
Brilliance over extended period of time marks hallmark of a Great Captain.That the difference between Great and Good.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 7:41am |
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It is really strange to me when you time and again speculate about IPL being fixed when there is not even a proper rumour about it. More strange as someone who doubted that Asif and Aamir being framed and they were innocent (atleast till they were proved of guilty ) in fixing scandal by ICC.
How can you Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 29 May 2011 at 7:57am |
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sam_ahmed
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Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 29 May 2011 at 11:13am |
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Sometimes a captain may not be as successful because he might have a weak team to work with, many other factors also contribute. I mean you can have your views and your own criteria but I cannot agree that MSD and Steve were the only two great captains since the late 80's, not at all. I never said IPL was fixed, yes I have speculated in the past like many others, and you are wrong there have been many rumors, I remeber seeing headlines in news channels last year whcih read "IPL 2 was fixed" abut 27 - 29 playes were involved blah blah. So rumors were always there. Go to google type IPL 2 fixed you'll find many results. As for the spot fixing issue, yes I didn't want to believe that Asif, Aamer and Butt were involved because they were my favorites and yes may be I was biased.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 11:46am |
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Yes, I never said that I considered success percentage or one odd world cup victory or one series victory in tough tour to judge a captain. I know many blind fans who by virtue of just one odd victory in major tournament keep thinking that some xyz is great captain ever. Anyway my criteria includes lot many captaincy traits, man management skills and other factors than what I mentioned already.
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vote4peace
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Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 12:28pm |
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So a tame end to an insipid season. Coming so close on the heels of an august Indian WC triumph , this season just couldn't gather the same excitement or hype up the same euphoria as any of the previous seasons.
There were but a few glitters, most of it came of Gayle's willow. Also enjoyed watching Gilly's 'turn the clock back in style' innings , & remind us of em good ol days. Malinga at his 'slinga' best. Oh and yes Raina's raining them fanciful sixes. There were a few lesser known domestic players who become, a little more known shall we say. Rahul Sharma, Iqbal Abdulla, Paul Valthathy, Sreenath Aravind making the most impression. Ambadi Rayadu seems to have come a long way since his ICL days. And ofcourse Congrats to CSK for defending their crown. Thats their 3rd final in four, and the 4th Top 4 finish in the league(only team with this 100% record). A Man Utd, Madrid or Barca of the IPL in the making? Anyone?? As for my team(not sure I;ll even call it that just yet) the Tuskers. Their (Tuskers) charge has been postponed to the next season. Coming Sooner than you think. Be there or be square  . Or whatever |
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vote4peace
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Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 12:42pm |
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Clive Lloyd, Bradman, Gatting, Azhar , Vaughan, Inzimam, M Crowe... think I'm getting the hang of this game. It eez fun. Not sure I'll be putting em in baskets though . Think Dhoni's a good fine skipper (very lucky too). But not sure he's got the parhelion, of being the best of the best, around his head just yet. Needs to play a lot more test matches and win em to move up the totem pole. He's on surely on the right track amd a lot closer than his contemporaries, as of now. Edited by vote4peace - 31 May 2011 at 12:44pm |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 8:31pm |
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Yes he is lucky, but way back in end of 2004 when Dhoni came in , I remember few of my friends said that Dhoni will be a super flop when he tours abroad . They said he does not have it in him to bat in pitches other than Sub-Contintent. The guy still averages close to 50 in ODIs and ever increasing Test average even after good 6 years. In 2007 when he won the T20 world cup as captain, I remember few of my friends say he was plain lucky and his luck would run out soon. As he started winning consistently, many said that he will win as long as the fantastic four/five(SRK,RD,Lax,AK,Dada) are around.We have see Anil and Dada's retirement, Rahul has not been his usual stuff since 2009. Veeru has taken many breaks, Gauti has been injured, M Vijay has played 9 Test matches since his debut. So all in all there is an indication that India will not be effected by transition and MSD has not suffer as predicted by God's grace.
To me he has proved enough since late 2007 in his captaincy tactics , if he keeps the same captaincy style ( I'n not considering the succes percentage one bit) till the end of his captaincy career. Then he will be the best ever I have seen.
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