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Vaughan is very impressive as a captain. He lead the team successfully in the Ashes series. As of now he is the best captain. What makes him the best as a captain is his optimistic thinking. He feels very easy and comfortable even in the tensest moments of the match. His smile gives the bowlers the impetus to take wickets. Beating the best team comprehensively is applaudable. The effort he put as a captain for the victorious team is definitely commendable.

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Vaughan is a great captain but I agree about the fielding.

Vaughan is probably the best captain today. Look at him. Without him, England lost the first test though they had the game in their hands and now that he's back, they're so confident again.
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I still think Rick Ponting is the best captain in the world for the simple fact that he has a better record than Vaughn
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Originally posted by snell77

I still think Rick Ponting is the best captain in the world for the simple fact that he has a better record than Vaughn

Does he? I suppose does because of his longevity as captain but obviously his head to head record with Vaughan isn't going to be great (although he probably just about has the edge in ODIs. Not that I believe that counts as Vaughan doesn't deserve his place in ODIs.)
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also i find it funny that Vaughns batting has suffered because of his new found captaincy
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Originally posted by snell77

also i find it funny that Vaughns batting has suffered because of his new found captaincy

It's not really "new found", is it?  He's had the job for two years.
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i meant its dipped since he got it.
because at first it was new found
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It sure has. The only batting (which team has a bowling captain?...just wondering) captain that averages lower than him is Bangladesh's captain...Habibul Bashar...I think that's his name.
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I prefer Vaughn to open in all fairness becaus he rattles off good scores in the opening position
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He opened well in England's first innings against Pakistan in the third test. He made a half century...good enough.
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how can vaughn be the best captain it has to be inzamam he is gonna become a legend and today the worlds greatest player
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You're right! Inzamam has been a great captain and batsman in the recent England/Pakistan test series so I guess we can say that right now he is the best captain.
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Vaughans batting since he became captain hasnt really been good while Inzamam's has been excellent. Vaughans captaincy skills are very good though

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No doubt about it! Inzamam leads from the front and the 13 he made in yesterdays ODI against England was one of his first 'bad' scores in a while.
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got to be inzy you got to drop vaughan not just as captin but from england
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I agree with you. His form is just horrible. I don't know why the England board put up with him. He hasn't done anything amazing after the ashes as a captain either. He has lead England to a 0-2 Test series loss against Pakistan and now he will lead them to an ODI series loss. He is useless.
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Originally posted by saadadvanced7

I agree with you. His form is just horrible. I don't know why the England board put up with him. He hasn't done anything amazing after the ashes as a captain either. He has lead England to a 0-2 Test series loss against Pakistan and now he will lead them to an ODI series loss. He is useless.

He's not even leading them in the one dayers, he's gone home to get his knee sorted out; which was hampering him in the Test series. He's far from useless (at least in the Test side, anyway)
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he has just been dead. He lead like a great captain in the ashes but his form was never good and after the ashes even his outstanding captaincy disappeared.
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even his outstanding captaincy disappeared.

along with most of the middle-order, and Andrew Strauss. You can't blame Vaughan for the whole series loss. He didn't play well, but he wasn't 100% fit. Perhaps he shouldn't have played when he was injured, but no-one would have complained had we won.

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Yea, when a team wins, the captain gets all the credit, but when they lose, the captain is the first one blamed.
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Yea, when a team wins, the captain gets all the credit, but when they lose, the captain is the first one blamed.

wrongly in both cases.
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Why is it wrong??

I'll give you an example:

When England won the ashes, Vaughan was given so much credit and was given so many compliments on his captaincy, on the other hand, Ponting was blamed for losing the ashes, and he was penalized for his poor captaincy.
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Why is it wrong??

I'll give you an example:

When England won the ashes, Vaughan was given so much credit and was given so many compliments on his captaincy, on the other hand, Ponting was blamed for losing the ashes, and he was penalized for his poor captaincy.

Because it's a team game, you can't blame or praise one person for what the team does in a series of 5 games. Apart from his captaincy, Vaughan did very little of note, apart from his 166 at Old Trafford.
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But Vaughan still got a lot of credit for winning back the ashes only because he is captain, not because of his batting.

Ponting, who performed okay with the bat in the ashes was penalized a lot because he is captain.
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I agree with you. His form is just horrible. I don't know why the England board put up with him. He hasn't done anything amazing after the ashes as a captain either. He has lead England to a 0-2 Test series loss against Pakistan and now he will lead them to an ODI series loss. He is useless.


Well he got 166 at Old Trafford against Australia so u cannot say he hasnt done something good
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Well, yea, but that was it. The rest was just ordinary, and below par.
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