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    Posted: 07 November 2010 at 5:22am
And here I was thinking the only glimmer of light that could emerge from this test was my club adding Hamish Bennett to the list of players that have gone on to play test cricket.

But then Williamson steps up and scores a debut century (hopefully a debut 150 or 200). Okay he had some luck with the umpires but he still had to make the Indians pay.

The Indian bowling is starting to lose its shape too, a few tired players not bowling with same discipline or consistency and the Kiwis fully obliging by upping the run rate. Surely this can only end in a draw now?
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Should be a draw from here on and yes a very fine century for young Kane Williamson, well played!

This could be even better for NZL now because a Cyclone has hit the coastal areas of our state yesterday and although Hyderabad is not a coastal area it will still receive some heavy to very heavy rains during the next 3-4 days. It is likely that it will clear up by Friday but the conditions will certainly be favoring NZL, should be some moisture in the wicket and it may not be a "turner", if their fast bowlers can step up then NZL will like it.
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This is why India wont stay no.1 for long even BD have a better bowling lineup.
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India 2 wickets down for just 1 run in second innings.Only 29 run lead.Still India is the only team that can win from this position Wink.Few may call it rude , but that is how it has been.
 
People may dream that India will come down in rankings, my suggestion for them is to bear the pain for atleast another year or two .
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My god IND 2/3, NZL may actually win this!
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

My god IND 2/3, NZL may actually win this!
Infact it is a blessing in disguise, the match was heading for a tame draw.Now that we lost three wickets it has opened up the match.
 
200+29 runs lead , would be a juicy contest for NZL to chase in final two sessions.
 
Yes if we lose another 3-4 wickets today's session it could be concern.
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People may dream that India will come down in rankings, my suggestion for them is to bear the pain for atleast another year or two %20%20%20.
 
Oh, I forgot to add. India have been in Number #1 Position in ICC rankings from December 2009.11 months is long enough atleast for me.
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15/4 ... Sachin gone, DRAMA!

Concerns indeed Raj!
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15/5 ... Chris Martin is bowling the spell of his life!
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

15/4 ... Sachin gone, DRAMA!

Concerns indeed Raj!
15/5 now !
 
I will always have hopes Sam Smile . They have dug a hole for themselves , but this team knows how to win from such situations.So keep the Faith.
 
EDIT:
Even our tailenders have pulled us out of a hole many times.


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So sam, since we like making judgements based on half an innings, does this prove that Indian batsmen can't bat in Indian conditions 
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Why no Tuffey in test matches, surely he is much better than a few in the squad. Martin will never do well in India, and how about Mills, why he doesn't play tests?
Plus this .. Probably Tuffey wouldn't have done any better than this , even half as good. Isn't it.
 
EDIT: Why I said this is because you sometimes keep saying about missing/injured/unselected players rather than those who are playing in team. That is not how it works out.


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So sam, since we like making judgements based on half an innings, does this prove that Indian batsmen can't bat in Indian conditions %20%20%20


This is just a one off Incident Clobs, ENG have always struggled in AUS.
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

15/4 ... Sachin gone, DRAMA!

Concerns indeed Raj!
15/5 now !
 
I will always have hopes Sam Smile . They have dug a hole for themselves , but this team knows how to win from such situations.So keep the Faith.
 
EDIT:
Even our tailenders have pulled us out of a hole many times.


Dhoni and VVS are the key, India will have to bat until 1 hour after Lunch tomorrow to ensure this is safe.
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The biggest concerns for India should be a team which BD thrashed is likely to beat them that too in a test match.
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The biggest concerns for India should be a team which BD thrashed is likely to beat them that too in a test match.
- Bangladesh thrashed NZ.
- NZ is likely to beat India. (India's biggest concern, quite right )
 
Now let's come to Australia's concern over and top of recent 7 match losing streak
- India thrashed Australia 2-0 (Australia has a bit more bigger concern there)
- England won against Pakistan 3-1
The same Pakistan team drew 1-1 with Australia.
 
Who is going to be belted this Ashes is anyone's guess.
 
 
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The biggest concerns for India should be a team which BD thrashed is likely to beat them that too in a test match.
- Bangladesh thrashed NZ.
- NZ is likely to beat India. (India's biggest concern, quite right )
 
Now let's come to Australia's concern over and top of recent 7 match losing streak
- India thrashed Australia 2-0 (Australia has a bit more bigger concern there)
- England won against Pakistan 3-1
The same Pakistan team drew 1-1 with Australia.
 
Who is going to be belted this Ashes is anyone's guess.
 
 
 
1st Test: India won by one wicket that too becuz of poor umpiring.
 
Johnson to Ojha, 4 runs, 145.6 kph, Lbw Shout And oh boy what we get .. Four Over throws! That looked out. Billy reckons there was an inside edge. Was there some wood on leather? I am not sure there was anything at all. Oh well ... What an insane little game this is! It was a length delivery tailing in on the leg and middle stump, It looked as if it would have hit the leg and middle! Not given out by Billy. The ball rolled to point. Perhaps it was the pressure and the tension of the lbw appeal, Ojha gets outside the crease .. Raina asks him to get back .. he turns, Steve Smith fires the throw and the ball misses the stumps and runs through the vacant covers. No Aussie fielder could back that up. But that throw was on. Had he hit - and he didn't miss by much - Ojha would have been run out. ..... And It has been given as an insideedge I can't confirm or deny that edge. Need a snicko. If you ask me on the basis of evidence given to us so far (a couple of replays, no snicko) there didn't seem to be any edge.
 
2nd Test: India won by 7 wickets that too was not a easy win.
 
Englang won it 3-2 not 3-1.
 
Simple guess Australia.
 
 
 
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Holy cow , selective memory or short term memory loss.
 
Originally posted by mystery

 
1st Test: India won by one wicket that too becuz of poor umpiring.
 
58.2 Johnson to Ojha, 4 runs, 145.6 kph, Lbw Shout And oh boy what we get .. Four Over throws! That looked out. Billy reckons there was an inside edge. Was there some wood on leather? I am not sure there was anything at all. Oh well ... What an insane little game this is! It was a length delivery tailing in on the leg and middle stump, It looked as if it would have hit the leg and middle! Not given out by Billy. The ball rolled to point. Perhaps it was the pressure and the tension of the lbw appeal, Ojha gets outside the crease .. Raina asks him to get back .. he turns, Steve Smith fires the throw and the ball misses the stumps and runs through the vacant covers. No Aussie fielder could back that up. But that throw was on. Had he hit - and he didn't miss by much - Ojha would have been run out. ..... And It has been given as an insideedge I can't confirm or deny that edge. Need a snicko. If you ask me on the basis of evidence given to us so far (a couple of replays, no snicko) there didn't seem to be any edge.
 
2nd Test: India won by 7 wickets that too was not a easy win.
 
Englang won it 3-2 not 3-1. (3-2 was ODI series , 3-1 was Test series , I guess it makes sense to mention Tests rather than ODI for sensible fellows)
  
 
Observe the thing in red  happened  at 58.2, but what happened at 55.2
 
55.2 Hilfenhaus to Sharma, OUT, 112.4 kph, Game on a knife's edge now. Last man walks out. That's the wicket Australia was looking for! Ishant's long brave patient vigil is over. It was the lovely slower one, off cutter on the middle and leg line and full in length. Ishant drives but outside the line. The ball lands and turns towards the leg stump. Got to see the replays: It looks as if it would have missed the leg stump. Replays show that that ball would have comfortably missed the leg stump! oh well.. 
 
I Sharma lbw b Hilfenhaus 31 (106m 92b 5x4 0x6) SR: 33.69
 
P.S 1: 55.2 and 58.2 are very close.When I remember it , I remember it both.There is no selective memory there.
 
P.S 2 : I have followed the entire series, scroll though the entire commentry if you like.You will come to know yourself.
 
I can say Australia got lucky just a little bit more than India w.r.t Umpiring decesions.If some team got affected it was India.I am not saying too much , but on overall Aussies got luckier w.r.t Umpiring decesions.


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Cool down Guys, let us concentrate on this series and not on what has already happened.

In reality IND should be concerned, only one fast bowler on a wicket that has somehow grown some grass on it over the last 3 days takes out half of the side, I'd imagine Vettori missed Bennet very badly today. In South Africa India will be facing  more lively wickets and the likes of Morkel and Steyn bowling at them, so such a poor batting display will lead them to a 3-0 thrashing. India do have a lot of work to do.

However, RSA is still a long way away, first of all they need to somehow save this game tomorrow. 82/6 and I don't know how will some of our players sleep tonight.
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Cool down Guys, let us concentrate on this series and not on what has already happened.
Sam I have followed the series very closely.I know for sure how well the umpiring was.Both the teams got lucky on few occassions and roughed up sometime.It was almost Even.Overall Aussies were just a little bit lucky with umpiring when compared to India.
 
I wish I had noted all those close calls and clear few people's doubt who always have selective memory.
 
Won't waste my vacation on it now. If anyone cares to differ, PM me,  wait when I get free time. I will give complete list of decision that went in favour and against in the said series.
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No point in arguing over umpiring decisions guys but then Raj it happens because it is India who do not want UDRS.

However mystery we have to agree that overall India did play better cricket than Australia in that series.
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

 
Who is going to be belted this Ashes is anyone's guess.
 
 
Simple guess Australia.
 
Well said Clap and quite right too.
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So sam, since we like making judgements based on half an innings, does this prove that Indian batsmen can't bat in Indian conditions %20%20%20


This is just a one off Incident Clobs, ENG have always struggled in AUS.


Tell that to Douglas Jardine (you might need a medium, admittedly )
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Holy cow , selective memory or short term memory loss.
 
Originally posted by mystery

 
1st Test: India won by one wicket that too becuz of poor umpiring.
 
58.2 Johnson to Ojha, 4 runs, 145.6 kph, Lbw Shout And oh boy what we get .. Four Over throws! That looked out. Billy reckons there was an inside edge. Was there some wood on leather? I am not sure there was anything at all. Oh well ... What an insane little game this is! It was a length delivery tailing in on the leg and middle stump, It looked as if it would have hit the leg and middle! Not given out by Billy. The ball rolled to point. Perhaps it was the pressure and the tension of the lbw appeal, Ojha gets outside the crease .. Raina asks him to get back .. he turns, Steve Smith fires the throw and the ball misses the stumps and runs through the vacant covers. No Aussie fielder could back that up. But that throw was on. Had he hit - and he didn't miss by much - Ojha would have been run out. ..... And It has been given as an insideedge I can't confirm or deny that edge. Need a snicko. If you ask me on the basis of evidence given to us so far (a couple of replays, no snicko) there didn't seem to be any edge.
 
2nd Test: India won by 7 wickets that too was not a easy win.
 
Englang won it 3-2 not 3-1. (3-2 was ODI series , 3-1 was Test series , I guess it makes sense to mention Tests rather than ODI for sensible fellows)
  
 
Observe the thing in red  happened  at 58.2, but what happened at 55.2
 
55.2 Hilfenhaus to Sharma, OUT, 112.4 kph, Game on a knife's edge now. Last man walks out. That's the wicket Australia was looking for! Ishant's long brave patient vigil is over. It was the lovely slower one, off cutter on the middle and leg line and full in length. Ishant drives but outside the line. The ball lands and turns towards the leg stump. Got to see the replays: It looks as if it would have missed the leg stump. Replays show that that ball would have comfortably missed the leg stump! oh well.. 
 
I Sharma lbw b Hilfenhaus 31 (106m 92b 5x4 0x6) SR: 33.69
 
P.S 1: 55.2 and 58.2 are very close.When I remember it , I remember it both.There is no selective memory there.
 
P.S 2 : I have followed the entire series, scroll though the entire commentry if you like.You will come to know yourself.
 
I can say Australia got lucky just a little bit more than India w.r.t Umpiring decesions.If some team got affected it was India.I am not saying too much , but on overall Aussies got luckier w.r.t Umpiring decesions.
 
Mate it was India who did not wanted the UDRS thats why its Australia who are unlucky not India.
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No point in arguing over umpiring decisions guys but then Raj it happens because it is India who do not want UDRS.

However mystery we have to agree that overall India did play better cricket than Australia in that series.
 
Thats what im saying Sam it was India who dont want UDRS so we should not count bad decision that umpires made against India and i agree with you India played better and they deserve to win it but Raj is saying they thrashed Australia 2/0 which is not fair.


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In reality IND should be concerned, only one fast bowler on a wicket that has somehow grown some grass on it over the last 3 days takes out half of the side, I'd imagine Vettori missed Bennet very badly today. In South Africa India will be facing  more lively wickets and the likes of Morkel and Steyn bowling at them, so such a poor batting display will lead them to a 3-0 thrashing. India do have a lot of work to do.

However, RSA is still a long way away, first of all they need to somehow save this game tomorrow. 82/6 and I don't know how will some of our players sleep tonight.
 
I think RSA will thrash India 3/0 just like NZ are currently doing.
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Come on Martin. Take another 4 wickets.
NZL have a great chance to win this.
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Thats what im saying Sam it was India who dont want UDRS so we should not count bad decision that umpires made against India.
oh really!.
 
In the same logic , it was always Aussies who supported on feild Sledging, so no matter to what level they are sledged back they should accept it gleefully, isn't it!.
 
Does that make any sense ? , to me it makes utter nonsense.
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Come on Martin. Take another 4 wickets.
NZL have a great chance to win this.
110 runs lead already , expect the tag to wag a bit and add a 100-120 more.Then by all means we will be 1-0 up  by the end of day.
 
I don't like India losing , but then if we had to lose and if there was a choice then I'd prefer losing to NZ,WI then against any other teams.
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Originally posted by kahmad

Come on Martin. Take another 4 wickets.
NZL have a great chance to win this.
110 runs lead already , expect the tag to wag a bit and add a 100-120 more.Then by all means we will be 1-0 up  by the end of day.
 
I don't like India losing , but then if we had to lose and if there was a choice then I'd prefer losing to NZ,WI then against any other teams.
 
Ya thats why you get blind when they lose and when you finally accept defeat defend it with saying that its ok to lose against NZ.
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