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DRAVID FAN
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Topic: New Zealand in India - 2010 Posted: 18 November 2010 at 1:06am |
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Exactly, the spinner didn't know how to make use of the bounce and turn available. All Bhajji and Ojha have to do is take a look at Vettori. His bowling has been fantastic this series. Giving no room even for the likes of Sehwag with pinpoint accuracy and good variation of bounce and pace.
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Sledger
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 5:53am |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
There is a lot of talk here in India about the south Africa series next month, some players reaching there early, some may not play in the ODI's against NZL, etc, etc... I tell you what they better concentrate on winning this series first otherwise they could well be going to RSA shocked and stunned!
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Good point Sam , play what's in front of you and worry about the tour later. Credit to New Zealand , they've been very resilient and have surprised many so far on this tour . (Me being one of 'em!)
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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raghav
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 11:13am |
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Yes true, India played as if they just wanted to get this series over with. Also Dhoni was very very defensive in this test match. It looked like, he is waiting for the Kiwis to push for a win. But shouldn't that be the other way, the top ranking team or the home team has the responsibility/pressure to push for a win.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 5:19pm |
Originally posted by DRAVID FAN
Exactly, the spinner didn't know how to make use of the bounce and turn available. All Bhajji and Ojha have to do is take a look at Vettori. His bowling has been fantastic this series. Giving no room even for the likes of Sehwag with pinpoint accuracy and good variation of bounce and pace. |
That is a very good comment. Vettori has clearly out performed the Indian spinners, and I said this before the series guyz that there will be a huge difference between someone like Hauritz and someone like Vettori... Dan is all class!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 6:27pm |
Vettori's change of his pace from 77-99 KPH with that sort of accuracy is not something you see quite often. Vettori's change of pace and accuracy is immaculate. Even Sehwag couldn't damage him!
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mystery
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 7:00pm |
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It wont be a bad idea if Vettori opens the bowling specially against Sehwag.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 19 November 2010 at 2:28am |
Originally posted by mystery
It wont be a bad idea if Vettori opens the bowling specially against Sehwag. |
So true. Vettori's never really been a big turner of the ball so bowling with the new ball shouldn't be a big problem. As it is, he's bowling 75% of the overs for NZ, might as well open.
Looks like the next test might have a delayed start. Indian batsmen will look to improve their strike rates and bowling while both teams are desperate for a win.
Edited by DRAVID FAN - 19 November 2010 at 3:46pm
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 19 November 2010 at 5:17pm |
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There is pressure on India now, esp from the media... all of a sudden everyone seems to have realized what's happening!
The good thing for NZL has been that their big guns have stepped up and performed, McCullum, Ryder and Vettori have been major contributors and perhaps the only one to have missed out somewhat is Ross Taylor. Also Kane Williamson has been a very good find for NZL.
The pitch is apparently a lot drier than the ones in ahmedabad and hyderabad, so the spinners should come into play from day 3 or so... and today the Weather forecast says that the Rains have well and truly gone now and we should have full 5 days of play.
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 4:47am |
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The Indian bowlers and Dhoni, Gambhir, Raina under pressure for this game. People are unhappy that only 4 bowlers are playing for India but without Zaheer, 4 or 5, it's gonna make no difference.
NZ will be more confident in this match and will hope to carry that forward. If they bowl like the last game and set similar, tight fields backed up by their fantastic fielding, even Tendulkar and Dravid will have to work hard for their runs like last time.
Win toss: Probably bowl first because of overcast conditions. NZ got tight lines while for India Sreesanth has got a brilliant seam position but his and Sharma's consistency might give NZ batsmen some looseners just as the pressure if being built.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 5:35am |
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So much for the world's richest cricket board, we don't even have proper facilities to get the match started on time despite the sun beating down and no signs of rain whatsoever! How pathetic! It rained two days back and the out field is still wet! Hilarious! is this 2010?
Two ODI's got washed out against AUS, and in both those games we had bright sunshine, no rain but wet outfield... there are places around the world where the game starts within 15 mins the moment it stops raining!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 6:15am |
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They have the air time sold - cricket or no cricket - why would it matter to the BCCI. Why bother drying the field Sam, it is no IPL match.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 9:37am |
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NZL in big trouble, 72/5 at Tea, McCullum may not bat so that's effectively 6 down! Sreesanth bowled really well today.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 9:44am |
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and Hopkins goes, 82/6, surely there will be better WKB than Hopkins in NZL, if there aren't then the standard I must say is very low! ... as I speak McCullum comes on to bat.
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mystery
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 9:49am |
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After a long long time Sharma has bowled well and look like a bowler that played against Australia but now they will again play him in Odi's and T20 and again he will be lost.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 9:53am |
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yes Mystery, he did bowl pretty well today but the track had something in it early on, it has to be said that this was perhaps a bad decision by Vettori, there was rain over the last few days obviously there was some moisture in the track and may be this was a bowl first pitch. However, they are saying that batting last here will be very difficult.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 2:18pm |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
there are places around the world where the game starts within 15 mins the moment it stops raining!
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There's one right in my backyard (St. vincent ofcourse, not my backyard at home) and no amount of rain ever seem to affect the outfield, all is needed after the rain is to rope it to get the water off the grass so the ball won't get wet. It's probably up there in the top 3 best drainage in the world. We can't ever boast of those kind of stuff!
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 3:08pm |
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True. Wet outfield has always been a big problem in Indian pitches. I can't believe I waited until over midnight for it to start.
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mystery
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Posted: 20 November 2010 at 8:19pm |
India squad for first two ODIs v New Zealand: Gautam Gambhir (capt), M Vijay, Virat Kohli, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, Saurabh Tiwary, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), R Ashwin, Praveen Kumar, R Vinay Kumar, Munaf Patel, Sreesanth, Yusuf Pathan, Ravindra Jadeja.
No Nehra??
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 21 November 2010 at 12:46am |
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I think Nehra's being given rest as he's going to be in the World Cup squad. Not a bad idea, he should be back for the remaining matches.
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cricket lover
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Posted: 21 November 2010 at 5:13am |
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New Zealand won the toss and elected to bat in third test match against
India at Nagpur. It was a good decision by Kiwi skipper after watching
pitch, but hard luck to visitors, all of a sudden everything changed
into a wrong turn for Kiwis. Indian bowlers devastated without
tolerance their guests and drove them up the wall. Visitors were on
just 148 runs at stumps of first day with unbearable lose of seven
wickets.
Edited by -JP- - 21 November 2010 at 7:24pm
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 21 November 2010 at 8:35am |
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India have bowled really well in this game and that is good to see... bowling NZL out for 193 gives them a great chance now to win this series and at 196/2 India looks well set for perhaps an innings win, although I think NZL will do slightly better in their 2nd innings.
Excellent performance by Ishant Sharma, just when everyone thought he is done!
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 21 November 2010 at 9:23pm |
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Great bowling from India. Ishant Sharma would look to maintain his return to form. His performance give India another dilemma. Should they play Sharma or Sreesanth in South Africa? Or should they pick 5 bowlers? Sreesanth's swing is key, Sharma's extra bounce will be very useful.
The batting looks strong, this is the way India should have batted throughout the series. The lead will probably go past 300 and maybe even 400 by the end of tomorrow leaving NZ with an uphill task.
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jaysjay
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Posted: 21 November 2010 at 10:10pm |
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They will never play with 5 bowlers for a simple fact that they can't afford it,ruins the combination unless you have a genuine allrounder.
India's strength lies in their batting, they wont compromise it by adding one more average bowler to their average bowling attack and rightly so.One should always play on his strength.
there will be three seamers in SAfrican conditions so no dilemma between Sree or Ishant .
harbhajan will be the spinner with Suresh Raina and Sachin giving him support if Sehwag doesn't recover from his shoulder injury which is prohibiting him from bowling.
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for what a man would like to be true,that he more readily believes.
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mystery
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Posted: 21 November 2010 at 11:29pm |
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Yup i agree with Jay they will play 3 seamers in SA and will drop Ojha who bowled better than Harbhajan.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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Sledger
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Posted: 22 November 2010 at 5:20am |
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India 356-5 with both Laxman and Raina failing. Dravid's still there on 87* with Dhoni on 23 in quick time. Dhoni hasn't starred for some time and with the pressure off maybe he'll take this match away from NZ completely.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 November 2010 at 5:29am |
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What's Raina doing in the team ahead of Pujara? Chennai Super Kings connections??
Edited by zuhair_abbasi - 22 November 2010 at 5:29am
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 22 November 2010 at 5:57am |
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Dravid reaches yet another ton. Played well throughout. Struggle a bit in the late 80s and 90s because of some tight line and nervousness but he is looking more free now. Dhoni is looking aggressive and has kept the score board ticking nicely. The lead has almost reached 200 now.
Vettori has been bowling a tight line so far but isn't probing enough and the NZ seamers should be bowling a bit more full on such a slow surface.
zuhair_abbasi - I think Raina might get 1-2 chances more then Pujara should come in. Rather than wait for the top order to retire, let Pujara replace someone like Raina instead.
Edited by DRAVID FAN - 22 November 2010 at 5:59am
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 November 2010 at 5:22pm |
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India will indeed play 3 pacers and one spinner in RSA, and that should be the way to go there.
Raina will surely be replaced soon Zuhair, Pujara is way better than him and even when the seniors retire I think Rahane and Kohli should get the nod ahead of Raina and Yuvraj. Everyone has forgotten about Kaif and he did had a bad domestic season last year but before that he was scoring tons and tons of runs but was still ignored.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 November 2010 at 5:25pm |
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India have played like a true world no. 1 team in this game, so so dominant, NZL have found no answers really... may be they were charged up after two surprising draws. Only one result possible now and that is India winning, I can't see any team batting out 2 days, forget about NZL!!!
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 23 November 2010 at 12:44am |
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Good knock by Dhoni as well. Played a lot like his older days with a lot of aggression and flair. Sadly, severe cramps in his 80s and 90s didn't let me play freely anymore. Great innings by Dravid as well. Was looking very confident. Criticism about his strike rate being 48 by many people is pretty stupid considering the run rate India managed throughout the day.
NZL have an uphill task in front of them. No chance of them winning and unless most of their top order make at least 50-60 each, a draw seems unlikely as well.
Edited by DRAVID FAN - 23 November 2010 at 12:45am
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