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milkman
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Topic: New Zealand/India in Sri Lanka Posted: 13 August 2009 at 3:27pm |
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I agree crapbad, I mentioned how well Warne has done against Pakistan. I doubt Murali will be any different.
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 13 August 2009 at 3:57pm |
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Panesar had them in a tangle in 2006 too.
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Posted: 14 August 2009 at 6:12am |
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Based on these warm up games, Tuffey should be partnering Martin with the new ball. O'Brien not really proving effective, though it would be a harsh call after taking 38 (?) test wickets last year.
So far its looking like Patel and Vettori are our best bowers and batsmen. Still trouble at the top of the order it seems (when has NZ not in the last decade). Guptill getting a 50 last innings is some relief I guess though.
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Posted: 16 August 2009 at 7:27am |
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Looks like Dishan is going to open. 2nd spinner will be a tough call as well, and Herath might have to sit out, due to Mendis being a mystery to NZ. Sl will go with three seamers as Galle is going to give planty of lateral movement for faster bowlers.
Most likely team:
Paranavithana, Dilshan, Sangakkara (c), M. Jayawardane, Samaraweera, Mathews, P. Jayawardane (wk), Kulasekara, Thushara, Murali, Mendis
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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 5:26am |
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That is a good team, poor Herath is unlucky but they will play Menids as crapbag rightly said NZL wont find him easy.
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milkman
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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 9:34am |
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Mendis will be a champion bowler some day and he's shown glimpses of that already. He's still young and raw and I'd back him ahead of Herath (who hasn't done a lot wrong and still has 3 or 4 seasons left in him if he wants to continue - he's about 31 years of age). SL have the luxury of 3 excellent spinners (until Nov 2010 when Murali goes) and that's a fantastic luxury to have. Their pacers are coming good and haven't done a lot wrong lately and they shouldn't be easy to handle for the NZ batsmen by no means. NZ should play both spinners and they will be relatively effective I'm sure. It also looks like NZ will bat heavy at the bottom of the order and we'll probably see a lot of runs from the likes of Vettori and Patel, etc.
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crapbag
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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 9:44am |
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"Mendis will be a champion bowler some day and he's shown glimpses of that already"
I have my doubts milkman. He has not developed his off break, which is the true spinner. His tock ball is the ball that is under-cut with the middle finger. It deviates as a seamer but not as a spinner by holding on to the pitch. He should replace that with his orthadox off break as the stock ball. His team mate Sekkuge Prasanna is also coming of an age. He's another unorthadox wrist spinner, who spins his legbreaks with middle finger (3 finger grip legspinner, orthadox wrist spinner uses 4th finger to spin). Unlike Mendis he has a potent leggie that fizzes off the track although not deviating much. He has more ingrediants to be a better bowler IMO, because he does not rely on mystery that can be solved ultimately.
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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 1:34pm |
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I like to see bowlers who stick to their way and that's what I like about Mendis. He does things his way and I'd to see him continue that way. Rarely do you find a bowler who bowls offies, back spinning leggies (stock ball), googlies. Remember, Kumble is one of the straightest spinners the game has seen but he came out a top class bowler because of his stump accuracy which Mendis has as well.
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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:40am |
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I am not going to get back in my prediction crop but i think sri lanka should be favourites. It will be interesting to see how NZ will handle the spinners.
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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:23pm |
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Arg! Vettori is bowing to much. It's not really his sort of pitch. Unless he's going to give the ball a rip, he needs a pitch with plenty of bounce. O'Brien has his tail up, give the ball to Martin at the other end and use this little period.
- And of course, as soon as I said that, on comes Martin from Vettori's end.
Edited by NZ_Fast - 18 August 2009 at 12:26pm
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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:41pm |
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A very predictable scoreline this one. They should bowl a bit fuller. Patel is bowling too flat for my likings and he is bowling from the wrong end as well.
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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 1:13pm |
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Average boosting innings for the SL batsmen.
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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:22pm |
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Patel did not flight it. Flat spinners are cannon fodder for SL batsmen because they like pace in tha ball. He should ave let it hang in the air for a while.
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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 6:51pm |
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Ordinary performance by NZL, but credit to the Srilankans as well. Jayawardene is a class act, Dilshan has come a long way too. It was obvious that NZL's bowling will struggle, unfortunately even Vettori didn't dp too well. They don't have too many world class bowlers and looking at the likes of O'Brien, Martin etc... I think Mills is a much better bowler (World No.2 in ODI's!!!). They should have played Bond too, there is no point in playing him only in ODI's.
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Posted: 19 August 2009 at 6:34pm |
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Kiwis in further trouble at the end of day 2. They only thing that may save them is the amount of overs that are being lost each day due to delayed starts.
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Posted: 20 August 2009 at 12:19am |
Kiwis need something special from the middle order, atleast a big ton from one of the players. I just can't see Kiwis outing done sri lanka real cheap in the 2nd innings
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milkman
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Posted: 20 August 2009 at 3:28am |
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NZ have one truly world class batsman and that is Ross Taylor. Jesse Ryder will get to that level very soon, he's a talented player. But both are young and stroke makers, so they can be hit and miss - bit like Bopara over in England. They need a big innings from one of them and as usual they need the lower order to kick in and make runs as usual. NZ has lost a lot of players, they have had a big exodus of top cricketers and Vettori has warned that more and more will leave for the rewards of 2020 tournaments elsewhere. I'm optimisitic about their batting though. Flynn isn't too bad, Guptill and McIntosh won't set the world on fire, but Ryder, Taylor, McCullum, Oram is a decent middle order.
Edited by milkman - 20 August 2009 at 3:31am
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Posted: 20 August 2009 at 6:17am |
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Well, Flynn looked good until he got out. He looked like he was concentrating so hard, and even between balls he didn't look like he was switching off. He isn't going to go well this series if he tries to concentrate the entire time, its just going to wear him out mentally and lead to mistakes.
Guptill, well hes such a natural timer of the ball, has his eye in from ball one, but he just needs to tone things down a little at the start.
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Posted: 21 August 2009 at 3:51am |
Originally posted by milkman
NZ have one truly world class batsman and that is Ross Taylor. Jesse Ryder will get to that level very soon, he's a talented player. But both are young and stroke makers, so they can be hit and miss - bit like Bopara over in England. They need a big innings from one of them and as usual they need the lower order to kick in and make runs as usual. NZ has lost a lot of players, they have had a big exodus of top cricketers and Vettori has warned that more and more will leave for the rewards of 2020 tournaments elsewhere. I'm optimisitic about their batting though. Flynn isn't too bad, Guptill and McIntosh won't set the world on fire, but Ryder, Taylor, McCullum, Oram is a decent middle order |
Oram is a shadow of his former self batting wise. Guptill shows alot of promise, especially in his One Day game.
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Posted: 21 August 2009 at 4:19am |
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Well, the inevitable happened, the kiwis collapse with a little help from the umpires. We've played Murali and Mendia quite well so far, obviously the hard work in the nets payed off. Hopefully O'Brien can hang around with Vettori for a while tomorrow and knock a few more runs off. Looks like its heading towards a draw at the moment.
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Posted: 21 August 2009 at 11:20am |
Originally posted by NZ_Fast
Well, the inevitable happened, the kiwis collapse with a little help from the umpires. We've played Murali and Mendia quite well so far, obviously the hard work in the nets payed off. Hopefully O'Brien can hang around with Vettori for a while tomorrow and knock a few more runs off. Looks like its heading towards a draw at the moment.
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Whinging at best. SL did not have many in their favor, for example the pad-glove of McIntosh off Murali and few lbws. The quality of umpiring had been below par.
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Posted: 21 August 2009 at 11:21am |
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It's raining. This will be a draw.
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:58am |
NZL done and dusted with a session left and nearly 3 sessions were washed out because of rain. Thats simply pathetic.
I say this again, if NZL want to win they'll have to get rid of the martins and O'brien's and bring back Bond and Tuffey. Their batting has very good potential but bowling is very ordinary indeed. Oram too is no longer an all rounder.
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:43am |
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Chris Martin looked OK IMO. But Tuffey definietly has a shout as he knows the conditions well. Patel has been disapointing. Top order looked OK, but Vettori needs to bat up the order.
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:44am |
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Vettori is virtually in the side as a batsman . If he stopped bowling he'd probably bat at 5!!
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:13pm |
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O'Brien looked awful the whole game. I have to agree and say Tuffey must come into the team for the next test. Vettori, well we all know he could land the ball on a 5 cent coin for hours, but he has simply got to give the ball a good rip sometimes. You need to be able to adjust your game to the pitch, and everytime he just wheels out the same thing. Patel was very dissapointing. He's always the first person to flight it up with maximum revolutions on the ball; he bowled too flat in the first innings, but improved in the second. Orams bowling is always more of the holding type. Of course it didn't help he came down sick.
There is almost no chance of Bond coming into the team, he is just to much of a liability of he breaks down after 3 days.
The batsmen looked okay. McIntosh obviously still has his problems with the short ball, but at least he didn't get out to them this time round and showed some real application. Flynn needs to back his natural game more. I can't help but think because the public see him as bit of a fighter and a scrapper, he thinks has to play like that. He really is a bit of a dasher, based around solid technique. Guptill just doesn't have the nouse for test opening yet. Taylor, well, I just wish he would shelve that damn slog sweep when he is just as effective playing straight. Ryder=class. Oram got a shocker in the first innings and showed glimpses in the 2nd. McCullum, well he still seems unsure how to play in test cricket, it's so far a block-bash approach and it doesn't take a truck driver to figure out that approach isn't working. Vettori, well he just chugs along, rolls his eyes and sighs in dispair at the other batsmen and nurdles usefull runs.
All in all we played murali and mendis quite well so thats a huge postive. As long as we treat Kulasekara and Thushara will respect, and don't try anything stupid, there is no reason why they should be any real threat.
Hopefully the Kiwis recover from the sickness. I imagaine it's pretty hard to stay hydrated in that heat if you keep throwing up. The steelyness NZ started to show when Vettori first took over seems to have been lost a little. We need to regroup, recover and show the lankans what we can do.
At the end of the day the difference was Sri Lanka had 3 centuries. Our highest score was 69.
I almost forgot to mention the umpiring. In the end, both teams got some very average decisions. The umpiring quality was mediocre at very best. And while I'm not in the 'use every single piece of technology we have for every decision' camp, I do believe dismissals, like Oram's in the first innings, should be able to be appealed against (When do those new laws about referrals come in?).
Edited by NZ_Fast - 22 August 2009 at 12:19pm
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:25pm |
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October mate
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:46pm |
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Excellent. Before the NZ in Pakistan in New Zealand series.
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:54pm |
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Let us hope this materializes. It has not been confirmed yet I think.
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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 7:32pm |
It has been confirmed but only for test matches. They do come into effect in October and I thinkit is one of the best things to have happened in cricket.
No one mentioned about Dilshan, 90 odd in first innings and a century in the second! fantastic performance by him and he is playing such attacking cricket these days! Well done Dilshan, you certainly have come a long way!
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