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milkman
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Topic: New Zealand/India in Sri Lanka Posted: 23 August 2009 at 3:45am |
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He's come a long way Dilshan. Turning into a top cricket and SL are looking more and more dangerous as a test side now then ever before. Good enough fast bowling attack, 3 fantastic spinners to choose from, an emerging all rounder in Mathews, a top keeper (as well as back up keepers in the side) and a very strong top order. One more good opener and SL will be set. Dilshan is able to keep, bowl spin, bat anywhere - handy cricketer this fella.
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 4:16am |
Whinging has started.
Mark Richardson: Forget testing, he's a chucker
Dire from Mark Richardson.
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milkman
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 4:39am |
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Look, I'm not that happy about Murali's action but it's almost a 'too little, too late' kind of scenario. He's already got almost 800 test wickets, what are they going to do? Erase his record?
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 8:58am |
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Speed up his retirement?
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:00am |
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I don't really see the main point of that article as trying to discredit murali, rather just the testing process which most people probably agree is somewhat false since it is not carried out in a 'real' game situation.
Edited by NZ_Fast - 23 August 2009 at 11:04am
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milkman
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:11am |
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I think I might not speak about this topic. I get my head bitten off when I make an opinion on this site. I'll be neutral on this and say Murali is a great player.
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DontGoogleMe
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 2:00pm |
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Murali is a great player, no doubt about it
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 3:56am |
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True that. Full stop.
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milkman
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:29am |
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How does NZ regroup? Their team got quite ill with this stomach bug and their bowling attack looks quite sedate. I think there's enough in their batting if they click together and I don't think that Mendis caused them as much trouble as we though. I think they need to try and bat first and apply as much pressure as possible, their attack against that batting line up is not strong enough at all. Certainly not without Bond, who probably wouldn't last the whole test.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:50am |
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I don't really think there is much the Kiwis can do. They can maybe slightly modify plans to batsmen, but unless we can apply some pressure from both ends with our bowling, it's always going to be difficult to cause mistakes from their batsmen. Our batting, well its just largely inexperienced and is slowly maturing. There are a some good young players coming through in domestic cricket now and pushing for higher honours which can only be a good thing.
We have to bowl fuller to Dilshan though. Although we can be fairly certain the plan wasn't to bowl short to him, we have to pitch it up more. With his flashy stroke play and not always great footwork there's a good chance of edging it to the slips.
And how good is Prasanna Jayawardene. He just continues to prove he is the best specialist keeper in the business. His batting leaves a bit to be desired, but holds up an end alright.
Edited by NZ_Fast - 24 August 2009 at 4:52am
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:52am |
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He certainly is a very very fine wicket keeper. Best i have seen since the days of Healy or Rashid.
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milkman
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:52am |
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SL have a good top order, but their bottom half could be suspect to really tight bowling because it's not very prolific. You get through Dilshan, Sanga and Mahela and you've pretty much cleaned them up. Unfortunately those 3 are among the best in the world.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:53am |
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi
He certainly is a very very fine wicket keeper. Best i have seen since the days of Healy or Rashid. |
Footage I've seen of Knott showed he was pretty special too.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:57am |
Originally posted by milkman
You get through Dilshan, Sanga and Mahela and you've pretty much cleaned them up. Unfortunately those 3 are among the best in the world.
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That's why I feel any team always has a chance against Sri Lanka, without someone like Vaas at the bottom of the order, you can't help but feel if you get rid of Sangakarra and Mahela (and now Dilshan) the rest will topple.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:59am |
Originally posted by milkman
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi
He certainly is a very very fine wicket keeper. Best i have seen since the days of Healy or Rashid. | Footage I've seen of Knott showed he was pretty special too. |
Certainly was but I have only seen him keep in highlights of 1974 Pak tour to Eng. Prasana we can safely say is the best amongst the current lot.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 5:00am |
Originally posted by milkman
SL have a good top order, but their bottom half could be suspect to really tight bowling because it's not very prolific. You get through Dilshan, Sanga and Mahela and you've pretty much cleaned them up. Unfortunately those 3 are among the best in the world.
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milkman
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 5:00am |
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He's doubly good because he keeps to pretty difficult to read spinners as well.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 9:35am |
No doubt he is a fantastic player, but from what I've seen he isn't a game changer like those aforementioned.
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milkman
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 11:35am |
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He's consistent though. I didn't mention him because I don't think he is a matchwinner, but rather one of those really consistent middle order batsmen like a Damien Martyn or Daryll Cullinan.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 11:44am |
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He's an underused bowler too. Though I guess if Murali and Mendis/Herath aren't getting wickets, there is little point in bringing on a lesser spinner.
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milkman
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 11:54am |
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Well he did start his career as an offie from memory. In fact he wasn't much more than a handy batsman and was indeed a front line spinner like a Murali. However competing with Murali is pretty hard and turning his hand to batting wasn't such a bad idea after all! There's a few cases of players changing discipline and being successful in doing that.
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 9:05am |
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Well good news from the Kiwi camp. Everyone is over the illness with the exception of Tuffey who started vomiting after a morning net session. Hopefully the players have managed to keep their nutrition up despite being sick and don't fall flat 3 days into the match.
Quite a bit of speculation about Tuffey coming into the team for this next test so hopefully his illness isn't bad.
In other news Vettori has officially been appointed a selector for the team. He and the coach more or less performed this role on tour anyway, he will now have a say all the time. There are concerns about this though. Firstly, its stressful enough being captain without hours of selector meetings. What happens if his own form falls away, and also what if some of his best mates within the team lose form. Perhaps the biggest problem I've seen mentioned is because he plays all but none FC domestic cricket here in NZ, how can he judge the quality of young players making their mark on the game of he's away touring so often.
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 6:59pm |
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I don't understand that when Kyle Mills is such a fine ODI bowler, why is he not used in tests? He is much better than a lot many that NZL have tried.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 5:01am |
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NZ has limited talent as it is and then when it finds truly fantastic players they are injury prone. Dion Nash, then Geoff Allot and now Shane Bond. It's a hard job for NZ to compete when they can't play their best talent. There's no harm in trying Mills , NZ don't have a lot to lose really - they need to take risks , because either way they aren't expected to win.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:48am |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
I don't understand that when Kyle Mills is such a fine ODI bowler, why is he not used in tests? He is much better than a lot many that NZL have tried. |
Mills doesn't create chances with his bowling. He relys on batsmen making mistakes or taking risks which suits him perfectly in the shorter versions of the game, but at test level you have to be able to produce wicket taking deliveries. Even in swinging conditions his deliveries are easily negated by batsmen.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:05pm |
Originally posted by NZ_Fast
Even in swinging conditions his deliveries are easily negated by batsmen.
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Blimey , that's reminds me of playing as a 13 year old !
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:11pm |
International batsmen are a lot more intelligent than we think, just by some peoples action at delivery, they know which way the ball will go, I guess that's the case with Mills.
Anyhow, why are the kiwi pacers injury prone, what do you guys really eat over there NZ_fast? Is there lack of protein in the diet so muscle recovery isn't quick?
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milkman
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:12pm |
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Pretty shambolic performance. Good start by the Kiwis but Samaraweera is a run machine at the moment. Vettori is bowling A LOT as well. Congrats to Danny for taking his 300th wicket as well. He's been NZs best ever spinner and most prolific bowler since Hadlee.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:17pm |
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Poor Kiwis, I admire their Cricketers, they're a pretty discipline bunch, quite cool characters but the quality is severly lacking. Call me nuts, but I see far more talent here in the West Indies! It's why I think Southee shouldn't have been dropped, at least he has talent and with experience can become a top player for NZ. He can slog with the bat too.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:21pm |
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Southee is a top young cricketer. He can really move the ball, but his pace is not up there and when the swing is gone he is fairly innocuous. Definitely a new ball bowler because of that movement. But he can improve for sure and he can bat down the order as well. NZ players are competitive and disciplined, but you can also sense a fair bit of apathy from them. It's almost like they know nobody expects them to win so when they do lose it doesn't really affect them much.
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