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W.G. 
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 Topic: Out or Not Out?Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:06am |
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I'm sorry, I was simply pointing out that the laws of the game are readily accessible to anyone who has an interest in factually commentary over guesswork.
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When you win the toss - bat.
If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
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143no
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:09am |
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There would be internationals that have never read a rulebook.
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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W.G.
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:13am |
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That's idle speculation not grounded in fact or reason; I doubt there is a footballer anywhere in the world playing to any decent level that doesn't have a good understanding of the rules of football. I seriously doubt you could play international cricket without a thorough understanding of the laws.
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When you win the toss - bat.
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143no
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:16am |
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So your countering my idle speculation with your own speculation? |
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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W.G.
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:27am |
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No, let me repeat - I seriously doubt you could play international cricket without a thorough understanding of the laws. That is not speculation, it is my opinion expressed as such. The "I seriously doubt" prefix establishes it as my opinion and not a statement of fact.
I do not see how you could play international cricket if you did not understand the laws governing the sport, and I think you do the professional game a disservice by suggesting that those playing it take little interest in its laws. |
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When you win the toss - bat.
If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
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143no
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:31am |
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Your opinion is speculation, it's not based on fact.
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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W.G.
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:35am |
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Have you any interest in discussing this, or are you repeatedly going to post pointless one-liners? My opinion is based on fact, the fact that it is close to impossible to play sport professionally if you do not know the laws governing the game. Do you dispute this? Are you saying it is possible to play international sport without knowing what the game requires of you? Could you post more than 5 words in reply setting out what you believe?
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When you win the toss - bat.
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143no
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:44am |
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I didn't know there was a minimum word count, basic knowledge is obviously a must, but in my opinion there would be players who have not sat down and read the rule book. For example, a few commentators recently, although not current international players, have had no idea of certain rules, I have been amazed with some of the lack of knowledge, it takes them a min or two for someone in the back of the box to flick through and find the applicable rule. |
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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bondy
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 9:55am |
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Interestingly enough I've spoken to several first-class cricketers in NZ when I was a part of an academy in Auckland. I spoke to them regularly outside cricket and was really good friends with a couple of them. They both knew the rules to the same extent I did and said that there is only a handful of international players, within NZ anyway, that know the rules inside out. Edited by bond2322 - 29 April 2007 at 1:45pm |
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Good one Graham!
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W.G.
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 8:08pm |
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The elective ignorance of a handful of New Zealanders is not the matter in hand. I contest that it is nigh on impossible to play international cricket if you do not understand the laws governing the game. I'm also interested that you happened to have this rather fortuitous conversation with them, and that academy cricketers have that level of intimate knowledge of their international colleagues. If a first class cricketer plays the game ignorant of the rules they are guilty of gross incompetence.
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When you win the toss - bat.
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143no
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Posted: 29 April 2007 at 11:09pm |
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Edited by 143no - 30 April 2007 at 5:56am |
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kev2006
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 10:39am |
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For the first one I would've thought that once the bails are dislodged the batsman's out regardless of whether they fall back onto the stumps which is highly unlikely anyway. And for the second the striker's out, saw it happen to clarke when he hit it into symonds or vice versa. Its akin to you hitting the ball into a bloke's foot and it bouncing up and being caught.
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sammythola7
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Wasnt Pakistan in South Africa then clobs, coz i was watching the match, he loughed rediculously.
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bondy
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Posted: 16 May 2007 at 12:56pm |
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I have used this ignorance to illustrate that not all players at a high-level have a deep understanding of the rules.
Fortuitous? Considering we used to train together the rules where often discussed- whether it be in a trival sense or matter of fact. It is your opinion that one must know the rules inside out and I don't disagree. I am simply stating what I have encountered.
Intimate knowledge? Those who play domestic cricket, believe it or not, play with regular internationals. Their experiences, albeit slight speculation, display their lack of intimiate knowledge with the rules. I agree that the rules should be known inside out, though unfortunately this is not always the case. Edited by bond2322 - 16 May 2007 at 9:54pm |
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Good one Graham!
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Sledger
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Posted: 16 May 2007 at 2:49pm |
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Sammy over there , not in SA. I can't remember who it was against , but I do recall Boycott commentating and finding the whole thing hilarious. Geoffrey's love of India and their affection for him suggests in was in that country , but that is not conclusive. Lastly , Clobs is that lovely Scottish fella - I'm that sarcastic , old and miserable Englishman !  |
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W.G.
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Posted: 17 May 2007 at 6:55am |
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Can I check I understand this - you had regular conversations about the laws with people who didn't know them. Must have been fascinating dialogue. For clarity - my tongue resides within my cheek. |
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bondy
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Posted: 20 May 2007 at 12:08pm |
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Touché |
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Good one Graham!
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strokemaker
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just noticed this post from a while ago. I see that we now know the answer after KP's dismissal today.  |
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wolves f c1
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 10:32pm |
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2 questions:
If the ball takes a stump out of the ground and somehow the bail doesn't come off, out or not out?
if the ball lands in keepers leg pads, without bouncing, then keeper picks it up, is it out or not?
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800 posts WOOT!!!!!!!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 10:53pm |
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The first one is pretty dumb; the two bails would have to be stuck together for that to happen.
2 is out!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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The Tyke
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 11:19pm |
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The first one is theoretically possible but extremely unlikely that it would happen. More chance of winning the lottery or being struck by lightning I'd say. But in the very highly unlikely event that it does happen I'd say not out because the bails have not been broken.
The second one, out. The ball hasn't struck the ground so it's a catch. That's what I'd go for anyway.
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wolves f c1
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 9:59am |
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Thanks people, great help (second one mainly)
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800 posts WOOT!!!!!!!
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W.G.
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:22am |
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When you win the toss - bat.
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spin wizard
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Seems like they were used right after they got varnished.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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Max Power
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Posted: 01 August 2007 at 12:57pm |
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Aggers raised a question in TMS the other day which I didn't happen to hear the answer to, anyone here got an answer?
If the advertising 'triangle' (can't think of the right term, but it sits on the rope during tests) has become dislodged, and is lying a meter or so forward of the boundary rope, and a fielder happens to take a catch in between the two, is that out or a 6? I know this is an extremely unlikely situation, just wondered what anyone made of it? |
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Posted: 01 August 2007 at 1:09pm |
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Surely the rope is the boundary line, not the triangle, so it would be out.
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Monty
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if a fielder sees the ball is going over the boundary for 6, but only just, is he allowed to go over the boundary, jump and catch in midair, and while he is still in midair throw it up, then land on the the ground run back over the boundary and catch it. Would this be out ? (sorry if noone understands me)
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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 10:37am |
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If he's that good he deserves the wicket ! As long as he's
airborne when he takes it , throws it up and re-gathers inside the rope
without the ball bouncing , it's out.
He could also knock it forward for a colleague to catch and that's also out. |
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Max Power
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I would have thought that if he jumped from outside of the boundary though, that wouldn't count?
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