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    Posted: 17 December 2011 at 5:13pm
Well done Shakib and Nafees but it was just a case of two guys (one of whom is their best player) having a really good day. They will collapse tomorrow and PAK will pile on the runs. I don't want to be mean but BAN just shouldn't have Test status. Today's performance was an anomaly, it will not happen consistently enough in order to justify Test status. 
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BP, Zuhair, BAN will surely be playing test matches now, at least for the next 4 years because BCB's man Mr. Mustafa Kamal is all set to become the ICC president and before that Vice-President, even bigger news is that BAN are all set to tour Pakistan in what will be the return of International cricket to Pakistan next year.

Teams like PAK and SLN have always been helpful to minnow nations like BAN and ZIM, these two teams despite being powerhouses of cricket continue to play against minnow nations giving them much needed exposure and in turn they get the support of these nations when required.

I'm very happy with this mutual agreement, also I think during the last few years, and it's only my thinking so not to be misunderstood, PAK and BAN have mostly been sidelined, the Champions Trophy and then the WC was moved out of PAK, in 2008 PAK didn't got a single test match in ICC's FTP despite being a top test playing nation, very often PAK and BAN have been ignored in the FTP, and even now just when it was the turn of these two teams to nominate a member for presidency, the ICC was trying to scrap this rule of "rotation based presidency" despite the full circle of Rotation not been complete ... I think with a PCB and BCB nomination things will at least be somewhat in favor of these two teams.
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So are you saying that BAN should have Test status sam? Don't get me wrong, I think they will continue to have Test status, especially considering what you just said. That doesn't mean they should.

2nd time in the space of a couple of weeks that an umpire has given a batsman out when the bowler didn't even appeal. Outrageously bad. What makes it worse is no DRS so we have to live with this incompetency.  
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I'm always pro-minnows BP and more than anything else I want cricket to reach out to as many countries as possible, we need to globalize this wonderful sport, so yes BAN and ZIM both I think should have test status. Performance is just one factor BP, if you look at the passion and enthusiasm among the Bangladeshi fans, the turn out for every damn game, it is just fantastic and these things matter when you give test status to a team, with this amount of enthusiasm I think the chances are good that BAN will improve in future because more and more youngsters will take up the game, on the other hand if you strip them off test status it will be a huge set back for the fans.

Same goes for ZIM, they have come back after a long break and the signs have been promising, we need to encourage them further now.

However, for the sake of competition I think they should play more 4 day games against A sides and fewer test matches esp against top teams like ENG, RSA, AUS etc... imagine BAN facing RSA in RSA on a green top! now those type of series can wait but they can play about 5 test matches an year, may be 3 at home and 2 away. I don't see much of a problem with that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BackwardPoint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2011 at 12:23am
ZIM have worked hard to build a team and have done most of the above listed things and they have defeated BAN and given NZ a really tough game. That's a damn good return to Test cricket and so I can agree with you on ZIM for the time being. I reserve the right to change my mind once some thrashings occur lol

Your suggestion is a problem because it is just pointless. It is wasting time on an already busy international schedule, it is promoting one-sided Test matches under the guise of development. If BAN want to improve, set up a proper FC system. Infrastructure, planning, grassroots cricket clubs. Start from scratch and try and build a proper team; obviously keeping the key players like Tamim and Shakib. Success is earned, Test status is earned and diligence and effort should be rewarded. BAN atm are just turning up and getting  beaten and showing no signs of improvement. They aren't going forward. I feel sorry for the crowds and the support is awesome given such an awful team but support doesn't automatically enable a side to play Test cricket. If Afghanistan could rally supporters to stadiums, do we suddenly give these blokes Test status too? BAN fans have always been supportive but this has not yielded results yet, at some point sentiment must go out of the window and bold decisions must be taken. Strip BAN of Test status, invest in the country's cricketing infrastructure, more FC games, more experience, better players coming through and then think of re-allowing them. Just having them floating about, playing the odd couple of games a year and getting thrashed is not facilitating improvement.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2011 at 3:09am
I think taking away Bangladesh Test Status as a bluff will do wonders for them!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2011 at 7:55am
There is a case either way BP, but now that the test status is already given then I think they'll have to stick with it, I agree that it's high time BAN win some test matches, at least at home, well we'll see how it goes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2011 at 5:35pm
well they fought hard the bangla boys, I think if they had batted for just 30 more mins this game was a draw for sure, nonetheless another super performance from pakistan, this team is on a rampage and boy they should be charged up for England now... what a series that is going to be.

Pakistan with this 2-0 sweep also claim the 5th spot in test rankings, replacing Sri Lanka which is fair enough and indication of the progress of both teams.

Pakistan end 2011, and what a marvelous year this has been for them, one of the best in Pakistan's cricket history. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2011 at 9:53pm
Its been a bitter sweet year really Sam, not entirely marvelous.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:35am
A comfortable win for Pakistan - now for the serious stuff in January.....
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Sweet on the field, bitter off it. But satisfactory nonetheless. the boys are ready for January and its going to be a cracker I am sure.
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I'd say the bitter taste is because of the SF world cup loss to India, that is one thing neither nation can take, I still feel the SF and the cup was there for the taking, rather than India outplaying Pakistan, Pakistan themselves played worse, they lost 2 matches in the entire WC and both because they allowed themselves to lose, thanks especially to Kamran.
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The only thing positive I can say about BD is that they actually impressed me by forming a couple of decent partnerships. It's really just the basics and unfortunately their top order and tail always seem to collapse. It's only those couple of guys in the middle like Shakib and Mushfiqr who can hold it together. Getting a bit distressing for BD when the guy who makes the big ton also has to be the guy to get all the wickets....
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

I'd say the bitter taste is because of the SF world cup loss to India, that is one thing neither nation can take, I still feel the SF and the cup was there for the taking, rather than India outplaying Pakistan, Pakistan themselves played worse, they lost 2 matches in the entire WC and both because they allowed themselves to lose, thanks especially to Kamran.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 December 2011 at 8:25am
Yes, not one but two Butt's mystery!!!

Zaka Ashraf has so far looked a nice and calm person and his priorities are to bring cricket back to PAK which he has done partially now with BAN touring next year, and resuming bilateral ties against India, which unfortunately India won't agree upon because they want to make more money conducting the IPL. However, I feel India will eventually agree for a series later in the year, esp if Pakistan beat ENG and become a top 3 team, a series against PAK will then generate huge interest and I won't be surprised if the BCCI themselves try to get Pakistan to India then!


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