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    Posted: 28 April 2011 at 12:49pm
Wow!!!! thats great Spinny
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2011 at 1:49pm
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That's great news Spinny!!! Subah bakhair!! and khush amdaid (wlecome) - the Iranian thing is not known as Urdu - that is Persian but Urdu does use a lot of Persian word. Great to know that Spinny - hopefully some day when Windies travel to Pakistan - I would love to have you here in my country!! Good luck with your Urdu learning mate.
 
I've notice so far that depending on who you learn the Urdu from that the Roman Urdu tends to differ, the spelling that is.  I guess that really doesn't matter, as long as you know how to pronounce the words.  Are you guys thought to write in Roman Urdu or you just spell it out in english words however you feel it would sound if read in English, if you understand what I mean.  I guess that accounts for the different spellings.  For example, reading subha and subah, depending on the person can be pronounced the same but for someone else they might interpret one as "sub-haw" and the other as "sue-baw".  Funny enough, I read both basically the same. LOL
 
Also I was thought aap kaisy hein and saw another versions as aap kaysay hayn & aap kesay hein.  I guess the best way is to hear the pronounciation yourself and spell it however best you will remember it. LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2011 at 2:10pm
You are spot on mate!!! It is the pronunciation that matters!! Ad glad we now have the off topic thread too to discuss all this
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2011 at 2:16pm
Hmmm seems like you've got your hands pretty deep Spin. Best of luck on your new venture
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2011 at 2:28pm
I have a little knock of pronouncing words in other languages without even hearing the audio and also my brain seems to remember things well so that helps. Big smile
 
Anyways, enough of ruining this thread, i'll start one in the off topic section!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2011 at 7:09pm
ah! you are doing really great spinny!!! spot on on a lot of things there!!! recently a family has moved in in our locality, muslim family from Jamaica pretty good in hindi and urdu, their native place is India and they have become very good friends of my wife, unfortunately they are going back to Jamaica next month.

Anyways, back to cricket, WI bowled out for 172 here and PAK should be able to seal a series win, I have to say I feel sad for WI because they are a much better side than this at the same time I'm delighted that PAK are all set to win their second ODI series in a row. The last one year has been fantastic for Pakistan cricket despite the spot fixing scandal. Results wise PAK have done extremely well and God willing this is only the start of the mission of becoming the No.1 team in the world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 6:39am
Misbah again proved his worth - once again it was him t the rescue. The more I see this young Bishoo the more I am impressed. Watch out for him folks - he will be a real star (hopefully)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 2:06pm
Misbah was indeed the difference in the end, he played Bishoo superbly.  Bishoo is indeed going to turn out fine, he already spins the ball plenty.  Gave Misbah a Warnesque delivery, but the bounce was too much that it could take out the stump.
 
Again, the sub continent batters being showed up on the bouncy tracks!  Devon Smith falls yet another to a finger spinner from around the wicket with the straight ball.  4 times now to Hafeez!  Ajmal is going to enjoy toying with these guys in the test series (if Kaneria doesn't play).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 2:24pm
  Misbah continues his rein of rich form. At No.4 Pakistan has finally got his position in the batting order right, can't come below that as he like to bide his time and play himself in.

 Keep it up Bishoo. A ray of light for WI cricket. Positive!!! A lot more talents from the caribbean please
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 2:37pm
West Indies could be doing better, than xi combination is quite poor to be honest.  Ideally, you want 5 batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 keeper, 1 spinner and 3 fast bowlers.  Yesterday the Windies added another bowler and it's the closest they've come so far in the ODI series.  YOu must always play a good bowling attack.  You can always pack your batting, it won't save you defeat in the shorter format.  Maybe you might draw a test match with it as the only consolation!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 4:30pm
Spinny, why are WI selectors not selecting Gayle, Chandarpaul, Sarwan and Pollard?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 5:09pm
congratulations to Pakistan on winning the series, their 2nd bilateral series win in a row. Misbah was indeed the difference in the end and I was also impressed with the way Hammad played in his very first innings at international stage. Both Wahab and Ajmal were very good with the ball, PAK need to be focussed and try to win all 5. 

Bishoo as we all have said before is a real find and I think Rampaul is a much better bowler than what we all think, he did so well against India in the WC and now against PAK, can't understand why he is being left out so often. WI should do well if some of their senior players join the squad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:45pm
Amal, Chanderpaul first and foremost deserved the drop, his days in the shorter format has eluded him - in Sri lanka recently he came in to the death and couldn't up the scoring at all.  The excuse is that they thought Chris Gayle was in rehab from the abdominal injury he picked up in the WC (absolute non sense as far as i'm concerned, they already had plans in mind to leave him out).  About Sarwan, he's touched a nerve somewhere.  People don't like his attitude, he was never really committed to training (except when the stanford million was on offer).
 
Also, a lot of this has to do with WIPA.  These guys (Gayle and Sarwan) are the gang leaders they feel who will influence the others if they have to strike.  That's why Sammy is captain, because he won't strike.
 
And about Kieron Pollard, I have never really rated him.  He's better off in the IPL really!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2011 at 4:16pm
well the way Gayle has been batting in the IPL, I must say PAK will be happy he is not playing in this series.

It is high time all the issues are resolved Spinny, what are the chances that once the IPL is over the likes of Gayle, Pollard and Taylor will be back for the series against India?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2011 at 4:30pm
Chanderpaul has one gear, which is slow. He can't accelerate, that's his issue and in his younger days he also couldn't convert starts to 100s. He's best suited to the longer formats, but to be quite frank, no one else is doing any better than Shiv.
The painful thing about WI is that they actually have many, many talented individuals, much more than BD. Yet they don't look a whole lot better that BD.
Also, why was Benn dropped? His world cup performances were awesome and he's also a decent batsman. He has the right attitude, a bit of a pest, but aggressive, which is what WI need.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2011 at 1:02am
Two things Mikey, number 1, Chanderpaul doesn't have one gear, Chanderpaul can switch gears better than anybody, i've witness it time and time again but for the last few years, Shiv has stop doing that and as they say, he just bats for himself now because it really doesn't matter, the result is always the same.  Shiv has one of the fastest test centuries, and that too against Australia in their rampant days!
 
Secondly, Benn's dropping I'm good with.  Benn is a bad influence to have on a team, always cussing fielders when he himself is probably the worse fielder on the team.  Bishoo is there now so he can happily sit on the sidelines!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:10am
Yeh Shiv I suppose is a bit like Kallis. More than capable of playing a lot of strokes and scoring off most deliveries, but almost just plays for his average. I mean how is it possible that WI had 2 batsmen that averaged 50 (Lara and Chanders) and 2 batsmen who consistently averaged in the 40s (Sarwan and Gayle), plus a decent all rounder in Bravo, yet they kept losing. This is what pains me about WI, they have way more individual talent then say BD or Zim, but they perform almost just as bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:31am
I would agree with Mikey there, I think Benn still should have been in the side because his performance in the WC was pretty good. WI have recalled Sarwan by the way and that I think is a good move. Finally they'll have some dependable batsmen in their middle order.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2011 at 3:13pm
Like I said, Benn is a pest and SW has obviously seen a bit more of him and feels that the selectors (well mainly Gibson) got it right to drop him. As far as I can see, Bishoo has been wonderful.
It is curious to see that even at first class level, WI is dominated by spinners. In some games spinners even open the bowling. How on earth has this happened? Why don't young West Indians aspire to be fast bowlers any more? Are all the tall blokes playing basketball now?
If WI can find another top bowler, who can stay fit and bowl along side Roach, while having the likes of Bishoo and Bravo also bowling then I can see WI becoming a top side. Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul in good form at the top of the order in test cricket will make a difference. Barath is another good find and I think Bravo is quality with the bat too. No reason why WI is ranked this low, no reason at all in terms of skill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2011 at 7:20pm
there was a time when WI batting line up would read
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Chris Gayle
Wavell Hinds
R sarwan
B.Lara
S.chanderpaul
M.samuels
D.Bravo

you had, in one-days,7 decent Batsmen and adding another wicketkeeper batsmen would make them as good as they come.

there you had Lara who is a great,Chanderpaul who was among the most consistent batsmen,Gayle- no introduction needed, R.Sarwan,Lara's deputy, used to be looked upon as a great in the making, had the next best average after Bevan at one time.

then you had Hinds who hit 3 centuries against the mighty Austalian in their prime,i have seen him treated them greats in utter disdain during that 2003 one day series that saw him hitting consecuitive 100s .His sixes used to be so clean when he scooped them straight, why was he demoted to the middle order is beyond me,a Ganguly,a Tendulkar or a Sehwag in the middle order are not the same players as they were/are as opners in ODIs.

then you had M.Samuels who was considered as a prodigy and another great in the making, by the astute Steve waugh,who as a symbol gave him his lucky red handkerchief or whatever it was ,to make him remember himself.

whatever happened to a batting line up like that must have been nothing short of a tragedy.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2011 at 7:50pm
Jaysjay, I myself wonder what really happened to Wavell Hinds - he was a fantastic player of spin as well and batted marvelously against the great Australians.  I don't know how he ended up average 30.  And you guys are right, West Indies ODI team use to comprise of Gayle, Sarwan, Lara, Chanderpaul and couldn't win games still.  They just don't perform as a unit, when Gayle perform, Sarwan fails, when Sarwan performs, Gayle fail.  When the batting perform, the bowling fail.  When the bowling perform, the batting fail.
 
Right about now West Indies can field one of the strongest bowling attack if Edwards, Taylor, Roach and Bishoo play.  They have Gayle, Barath, Darren Bravo, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Nash as batsman yet if that team plays, they will still find someway of losing.
 
Anyhow, I think they'll be more competitive due to Barath and Darren Bravo.  These 2 boys are surely going to be good players, mark my words on this!  You see Barath, he's small but tough.  I remember when he started playing he use to score very slowly.  He started playing first class cricket at a young age but then after 2 years, that was it, bowlers started to feel the heat from him.  He's a dynamic stroke player now.
 
Mikey, about the spinners, West Indians can't bat spin, bar a few like Gayle, Barath, Sarwan, Shiv, Nash, Ramdin.  The rest are poor and that's why the spinners dominate at the first class level.  All you have to do is turn over your arm slowly and you'll get wickets!  The pitches don't help fast bowlers either so sometimes a guy can have a bit of fast bowling skills but the pitch negates it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2011 at 7:54am
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...  The pitches don't help fast bowlers either so sometimes a guy can have a bit of fast bowling skills but the pitch negates it.


 Hmmm Sounds like the West Indians going the East Indian way.

 And ah yes those memories of Wavell Hinds still fresh in my mind. Its the worst ,for a fan, when you know that a player hasn't lived up to the billing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2011 at 6:56pm
Magnificent century by Hafeez and a good innings by Shafiq has helped PAK reach 248/9. I'd say it's a good score and  despite the absence of Wahab Riaz they should be able to pull it off give WI have struggled with the bat in every innings in this series. 

I do agree that Hinds was a terrific player, so was Samuels. I remember that series against India in 2002 when almost every game we expected WI to get off to a flier with Gayle and Hinds opening the innings. It was the same series when Jermaine Lawson ran through the Indian batting taking 6 wickets in an ODI game, he disappeared soon after that! 

Agree with Spinny that Barath and Darren are twop very very fine talents and we will see a lot mre of them, Bishoo is another one for the future. PAK too have found a very promising youngster, well kind of a youngster because he is 25, in Asad Shafiq. There was a time when I simply didn't rate Hafeez, but what a second coming this has been for him, he has become a very important part of this Pakistani team.
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Asad Shafiq is a good addition to the Pakistani team Sam, he's not your usual wreckless Pakistani batsman, a bit like Misbah.  Hafeez is playing brilliant at the moment too, he's playing magnificent strokes.
 
West Indies ended up winning they, thanks to Duckworth/Lewis due to the rain.  Had the rain didn't come, it would have been interesting because the batting was starting to fall apart.  Bravo got a 6 from the one bad ball in the last over before the rain came.  Lendl Simmons has been quite good for West Indies this series.  Was a top innings today, was a brutal innings that could remind a few of Gordon Greenidge or his uncle Phil Simmons - he hit some ferocious shots!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2011 at 2:35pm

I still have my reservations against the D/L method. Though its the best around I'm far from convinced they get all their calculations spot on. Must say the task would've looked a lot tougher for the windies had the match gone the distance. What about restricting a team to lesser number of wickets when the overs are reduced that could even up things a little. Not taking anything away from the WI, they deserved the win, just.

Rampaul has made most of the absence of their main spearheads. Deserve a longer run even when the injured are back. I can't wait to watch the Indian batsmen face Bishoo, should be interesting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2011 at 6:15pm
I'm a bit disappointed at the defeat, but I was expecting WI to win somewhere down the line. Rain helped but the cannot take anything away from the WI, they have played good cricket in the last two games and deserved this win. Hopefully the last game too will be a competitive one.

Right Spinny, Shafiq is a very good and technically correct batsmen. Bishoo is superb but Indian's should still play him easy V4P. If at all India is to be troubled then WI will need wickets like that in Barbados and Roach, Taylor, Rampaul all playing. Someday sooner rather than later Dravid, Sachin and VVS will struggle because of their age, and that struggle is more likely to be against quick bowlers.
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Spot on, fast bowlers win test matches - the reason why India didn't win abroad for a long, long time until they actually got a some decent seamers like Srinath and Zaheer Khan.
If West Indies can have the likes of Roach, Taylor, Edwards, Rampaul all fit and ready to play then you will see WI win matches... especially when they also have a very capable 5th bowler in Bravo and a fresh new spinner in Bishoo. In fact, because of Bravo, there's room to play the spinner as Bravo would be a 4th fast bowler.
Sammy has to go, especially if one of Taylor or Edwards is some how available.
On another note, this young Lendl Simmons seems to be finding his groove. Potentially opening partner for Barath in the future? Maybe you could have Barath and Simmons opening, Gayle at 3, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Bravo, Wicketkeeper (maybe Ramdin will be in the reckoning again?), Bishoo, Rampaul, Taylor, Roach. This seems like a really good team... just need to find the right keeper and get the fast bowlers fit. Sammy has to go... he's ruining the balance of the side, he can't bat and he can't bowl. But who should captain the side?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2011 at 9:01pm
Congrats to Pakistan on winning the series 3-2, the scoreline might look close but it was only after Pak had won the series that allowed some space for WI to claw back.That said, I am really impressed with WI second string  putting up a fight. Looks like WI's future is on right track.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 4:30am
I guess Pakistan always have to put on a trademark display in every series they play!  Rampaul can be a good bowler when he is ready but other than him and Bishoo, there's no real threat as wicket takers.  Shabby stuff from the Pakistani batsmen.
 
From a West Indian perspective, Lendl Simmons has been very good and so was Bishoo and Rampaul.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:54am
 Pakistan batting finally implodes, after swimming against the tide for the first four ODI's. Suppose it was always on the cards but Pakistan has done well to keep it down to just one game.  

 Both teams will take a lot of positives from this series. For Pakistan Asad Shafiq continues to build his reputation.  Hafeez gets better and better with each game with both bat and ball. WI will have many things to be happy about Bishoo being the standout reason, Lendl Simmons has shows signs of good hope in their instable batting. And for Rampaul this could prove his second coming. 
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