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spin wizard
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Topic: Pakistan in West Indies Posted: 18 May 2011 at 3:08am |
Sam, as far as Caribbean weather goes, it's not good to rely on anything you see on the net that is a few days in advance. The next day maybe alright but that's as far as you should take seriously.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 19 May 2011 at 2:05pm |
"Misbah replaces Afridi as ODI captain", probably the worst step that Pakistan board could have taken.
I am not saying his captaincy was good , no doubt he was pathetic in captaincy skills. He was getting too much excited during match, was always trying to hog limelight , putting too much pressure on bowlers when they went for runs , there was nothing that I could say that was a captain material in long run.
My point is , why appoint him as captain in first place? then after the results he gave (plain luck or whatever but he had good success percentage to show) why remove him ?
Afridi has been one of the main player (read as bowler) in ODI. Now stripped of captaincy, I feel they have destroyed what little maturity he showed as a bowler in last few years.
This might be end of Afridi as a bowler. In long run this is a great step, atleast they can groom someone who can do justice to allrounder spot, but immediate backlash from Afridi fans might be too much for management to answer. I won't be surprised with few more cascading blunder decesions because of this.
Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 19 May 2011 at 2:08pm
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 19 May 2011 at 3:11pm |
Rare occasion when I'd agree with a lot of what Raj has written, Pathetic decision, continues to show how instable PAK team and management has been and just highlights the reason once again why PAK are never a consistently performing side.
The sooner Ijaz Butt goes, the better it is for PAK cricket.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 8:07am |
180/6 at the end of the first day, PAK have gifted wickets to the Westindian bowlers on a batting wicket. However, It was very good to see Azhar Ali and Umer Akmal, two youngsters playing so well for Pakistan, if we look at the pakistani middle order, we see a lot of promise in three very talented young players Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali and Umer Akmal, to go with them they still have the experience of Younus and Misbah.
Batting at the top of the order remains a problem though and once Younus returns it will be difficult to drop Asad, Azhar or Umer, it is possible that they may ask Shafiq to open and drop Taufeeq.
Rampaul was once again very impressive, Roach hasn't been that good in this series and I wonder if they will replace him with Edwards for the series against India.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 11:22am |
WI should look to get rid of the tail as soon as possible and start on a very positive note today. I am pinning all my hopes on Jr Bravo to get a good one here. Come on Bravo , announce yourself to the world.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 12:39pm |
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Advantage West Indies - for one simple reason - they are not playing Devon Smith
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Mikey
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 5:13pm |
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272 is respectable, after being 9/192, but this wicket is very flat from the looks of it. If WI can come through with a 100 lead then Pakistan will lose.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 6:17pm |
Ravi's performance has influenced Tanveer's selection over Gul. Smart choice I'd say.
Anyway , 194/9 and then to finsih with 272 takes something no matter how flat the pitch is.As I write 41/2 in 7.2 overs. WI need a one huge partnership.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 8:17pm |
Very important last wicket partnership and now WI 100/5, Pakistan are firmly in control of the match at the moment. It has been a case of two teams with weak batting line ups and the team batting first has had a slight advantage over the other.
Anyways it is important for Pakistan to get a lead here may be of around 70-60 if they can keep WI to around 200. Batting last won't be easy because the ball is already turning quite sharply, even Hafeez is getting sharp turn and bounce.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 8:28pm |
107/6 now, the Pakistani spinners making a big impact. Pak should look for a lead of around 100 now.
This has been a very tight test series so far, such a shame that they will play only 2 tests.
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Mikey
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 2:47am |
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Maybe I missed something, but where the hell is Chanderpaul? No Chanderpaul or Gayle really does leave the Windies very badly exposed.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 11:20am |
Chanders had a sore shoulder and hence was ruled out of the 2nd test Mikey!
Go Pakistan Go!!!
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 6:07pm |
Pak 77/0 with both openers going strong. Already 126 runs lead.
WI should look for just one wicket, Just one breakthrough is needed, they may implode again.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 8:33pm |
158/2, Azhar just out for a well made half century and Taufeeq going strong which is good to see. however it has come after a sitter of his was dropped by Bravo early on in the innings. Hafeez was out of a no ball and the indiscipline by the West Indies has cost them heavily so far.
Pak should look to get a lead of around 330-340 and then go for a win, ideally it would be nice to give WI 4 1/2 sessions to bat.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 23 May 2011 at 5:34pm |
Pakistan 369 runs lead  , is it real.This is nothing less than a miracle, hope WI somehow get this score and do another miracle  . Bravo,Sarwan,Simmons,Samuels .. anyone will do  .
On a serious note, Pakistan have got this in the bag. They should bat out WI and score about 450. I know Gayle is not there in WI , but still 450 is a score that will mentally beat any team even before 4th innings.
Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 23 May 2011 at 5:38pm
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 23 May 2011 at 5:51pm |
A target of around 420 should be fine, I cannot see this westindian team chasing down such a large score. Pak should declare in this session.
Congratulations, by the way, to Taufeeq Umer on his century. He has certainly proved me wrong and I don't mind being proved wrong this way! He has shown that he deserves his place in the side, well done Taufeeq.
Should Pakistan manage to win this test they will hold on to their 6th ranking in the ICC Ratings otherwise, even a draw would mean that WI will overtake them as they will win the series.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 4:41am |
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West Indies done and dusted, one day to go and a finger full of wickets in hand. Weather is extremely calm in the West Indies at the moment so it is a definite lose for the West Indies. Guys are obsolutely clueless against spin and for once, a team was catching worse than Pakistan!
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Sledger
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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 6:48am |
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Fine effort by Misbah yesterday and surely they'll make it 1-1 , weather permitting. I'm not sure if that result in the 1st test is a good indication of a West Indies revival - they were awful in the field on the 3rd day.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 8:13am |
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Pakistan should never have lost the first test - they were expected to win anyways. So a 1-1 result will be considered pretty good by West Indies. Windies won the T20 - lost the ODI series narrowly - and are expected to draw the test series - not a bad achievement. Pakistan will be disappointed - they were expected to do better
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Mikey
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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:32am |
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They are playing at home though, WI should always perform better at home, that's a big advantage. Mind you, they're missing Gayle, Dwayne Bravo and also Chanderpaul from this test. I'd liked to have seen them give Edwards a go, even if it's at the expense of Roach, who doesn't look very good in home conditions. It's all about playing the best team, and I think both teams are missing key players.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 1:12pm |
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I don't think we will ever see Yousuf back which is unfortunate. Pakistan is only missing Younus from the first choice line up in that case. Kaneria also wlll find it hard to earn his place back, even if he gets the PCB clearance. The fast bowling department looks a bit weak though without the two cheats, I must admit.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 6:45pm |
Pakistan win by 196 runs! Congratulations to Team Pakistan on a wonderful effort.
Zuhair is right though, PAK were expected to win this test series and WI should be happy that it eventually turned out to be a drawn series. However I do not agree with Zuhair that the ODI series was a close one, PAK dominated the first 3 ODI's and were on top in the 4th when rain intervened and WI escaped. The final ODI was the only one in which PAK were completely outplayed. As for the T20, it matters less because you can't predict things in a T20 game.
Misbah has been terrific throughout the tour and it was a delight to see someone as calm and as consistent as Misbah in this PAK team, he proved me wrong big time and it was a delight to be proved wrong once again! The wicketkeeper has been anything but impressive and I think for tests Sarfaraz Ahmed should definitely be the first choice, in ODI's, well simply don't have an option... Kamran should be back!
Finally, yes the fast bowling is a bit of a concern without the two banned bowlers and I think PAK should try out Junaid and Sadaf to see if they can be better than Wahab and Gul in the test format. One word on the Spinners too, both Abdur Rahman and Ajmal... Brilliant.
Edited by sam_ahmed - 24 May 2011 at 6:46pm
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Mikey
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 5:08am |
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Pakistan lost 2 absolute class acts in Amir and Asif and I'm afraid they will not be replaced for some time to come. I think Kaneria might be able pip out Rehman at some stage, I'd definitely play a leggie against Australia, SA or England, as opposed to a left arm spinner. Definitely going to be more penetrative I think. But in saying that, it's not like Kaneria being out is a massive loss.
I suppose Pakistan is showing it can win without Butt, Asif, Amir, Yousuf and Younus, which is a good sign. But how will they fair against the stronger teams like England and India. Pakistan's strength has always been fast bowling, but from the outside it looks like their spinning stocks are making up for any deficiency in their fast bowling.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 8:34am |
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We won't get big turning wickets everywhere - and this batting line is too fragile without Yousuf and Younus. On the wicket keeper, I am not impressed - he is just ok - being better than Kamran just does not tell much. He missed two stumpings in the second test and two catches in the first. Adnan Akmal should be the first choice wicket keeper in tests - he took 9 catches the last time he played and was near flawless. Plus, Salman is horrid with the bat - he looks a number 11.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 1:10pm |
So Pakistan complete a resounding victory. The West Indies left well prostrate by Pak's spin. More along the lines this match. Pakistan's performance throughout the series also along predicted lines- 'ON and OFF'. Will need to be a lot more consistent if they harbour dreams of rising up the chart. Don't think efforts like those would help them against the stronger teams NZ included.
The WI though they would be satisfied with the overall outcome of the series, a few though would be worried the ease at which they got consumed last game. None the less lot of positives to take. But what with this trend of the Caribbean pitch's inclining towards spin than pace, esp considering that their batsmen seem to quake in their boots at the sight of a quality spinner. They seemed to be alien in their own turf. It was home away from home for the Pakistani's (Maybe could well consider WI as the next home venue) Changes need to happen quick before their Indian series or they'll once again be playing right into the opposition's hand.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 4:18pm |
I hope Danish comes back, the PCB has been very harsh on Dani and Malik and yes, Danish will be a better option than Abdur Rahman in tests. The good thing about PAK bowling is that if it is spinning then they have the resources to bowl out the opposition and if it is good for pace and swing then also the likes of Gul, Tanvir and Wahab are more than capable of bowling out the opposition. The thing about Aamer and Asif was that no matter what the conditions they looked like getting wickets whenever they had the ball in their hands.
BTW I'm the WINNER of ICC's first ever official Test Predictor game - for the WI-PAK series. 
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Mikey
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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 4:21am |
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What did you win mate? Well done!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:38am |
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That's brilliant Sam!! Congrats!!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 5:21pm |
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Thanks Guyz! There were no prizes for this series Mikey, however there is one for the ENG-SLN series.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 27 May 2011 at 7:50am |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
BTW I'm the WINNER of ICC's first ever official Test Predictor game - for the WI-PAK series.  |
Well that's great sam. Except I thought you had favoured 2-0 to Pakistan. Anyways Big Congrats!!!
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
The good thing about PAK bowling is that if it is spinning then they have the resources to bowl out the opposition and if it is good for pace and swing then also the likes of Gul, Tanvir and Wahab are more than capable of bowling out the opposition.
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Guess the same can be said of most teams except, maybe Australia in spin conditions.
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