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sam_ahmed
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Topic: Pakistan in Zimbabwe (2011)Posted: 19 September 2011 at 5:55pm |
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Congratulations to Pakistan on a clean sweep and yes also to Zimbabwe on putting up a very good fight in most of the matches which is great for international cricket.
A very good point by Amal on the lack of big hitters towards the end for Pakistan, it may not hurt against Zimbabwe but can hurt against other nations and this is where I think Razzaq is a must in the side more so than Afridi. Malik is a very good player though and I think he will come good, he should come good. All in all a very good series for Pakistan mashallah, better still they won't be a part of the CLT20 circus so about 3 weeks of nice rest before they take on Sri Lanka in the UAE.
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mystery
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Posted: 20 September 2011 at 9:39pm |
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Congratulations to Pakistan on a clean sweep they played as a team. Well Done now next target is SL hopefully another clean sweep
and yes Sam is right Amal Malik is a very good player he was out of action for a long time he will take time to settle. Razzaq is a key player for Pakistan but they dont know how to use him he is a must in any Odi side. News is that Afridi might come out of retirement soon i just want to ask why do a Pakistani player always need to do this kind of drama daily? one day retire next day they are back a really bad joke.
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Sledger
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 6:52am |
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Afridi coming out of retirement ? I haven't seen anything about that , but mystery is right , Pakistani cricketers finish and then come back within the blink of an eye ! What chances of Waqar returning as coach before October.........
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 7:31am |
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This has forever been the case with Pakistan - from Majid Khan Asif Iqbal to Imran Khan Miandad and now Yousuf and Afridi!! I am not sure it is a team culture or what but this certainly isn't viewed as dramatic in Pakistan. It appears Afridi's problems were with Waqar, now that Waqar is gone, he might as well be back
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 8:09pm |
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I doubt if Misbah or the management even without waqar would want Afridi back, they will anyhow only consider him for the ODI's if at all they do so the test team will certainly be without him and I expect Tanvir Ahmed, Gul and Wahab to be back in the side, only Cheema from the team against ZIM should retain his place, Sohail Khan and Sohail Tanvir should be left out.
Batting should more or less be the same, may be Malik in the XI but I think they will stick with Umer Akmal. I'd like to see Asad Shafiq in the squad as well. Also very much interested in seeing who will be PAK's new coach, I think it shouldn't matter whether the coach is foreign or Pakistani, he should be good for the team and should be able to handle the players well. Someone like Wasim Akram would be ideal but I don't think Wasim is showing any interest at all in this role which is quite sad. he is happy coaching KKR at the moment.
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Mikey
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 4:51am |
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Afridi is a must for ODIs. His bowling is invaluable and his batting occasionally clicks. He's an even better bowler than Ajmal in ODIs. But Lawson was spot on with his comments, saying that Afridi can't handle criticism - by retiring all the time he is saying that he is bigger than the team. But he is not bigger than the team, he is one individual in a squad and he needs to play for the team. Absolutely selfish cricketer and all this stems from the Holy-like status Asians place on their cricketers which negates any form of humility on the part of the cricketer. By idolising these cricketers, they are just inflating the cricketer's egos.
A good example is Shane Warne. It was very clear that he did not like Stephen Waugh at all - Waugh got the captaincy ahead of him, Waugh dropped him in 99 , Warne was a good friend of Ian Chappell who is one of the biggest critics of Waugh, Waugh clearly preferred MacGill, Warne's list of top 50 cricketers had Waugh at something ridiculous like no.30... etc. Yet, they played together in the same winning team for many, many series. That's when the player knows he is not bigger than the game... they are representing their nation, not themselves. This isn't golf or tennis.... |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 6:38am |
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It is not about Misbah wanting him back - Misbah doe snot have much time left on his side. Even if Afridi does get back, I do not want to see him leading the side. He is too soft for that.
And on Wasim Akram not interested in Pakistan coaching - there are reasons Sam. Wasim never got the respect in Pakistan and from the PCB that a player of his class could have got anywhere else. Just imagine that his career ended after being DROPPED from the team. HE was not even given a farewell match. He has led Pakistan and he knows it well how tough it is to take up this job. He is respected in India and he will take that. This is where I give credit to Waqar that he took up the challenge knowing the obstacles he knew he would face.
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Mikey
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 6:52am |
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Wasim is probably one of the greatest left armers of all time, ESPN rates him as number 1. The fact that he was that mistreated by the PCB is reason enough for him to stay out. I think he has had enough on his plate in recent times after the passing of his wife and his kids are still quite young also, so I doubt he'd want to be travelling all over the world. India is proximate and that's why he does help out in the IPL - good income, close to home and not for a very long time period. That's fair enough.
Pakistan need a foreign coach who doesn't get involved in the politics and doesn't have all the baggage of someone like Javed or Waqar. They keep saying that there's a language barrier, but the only language that is needed is cricket. Beckham played in Madrid and he doesn't speak a drop of Spanish. It's not important. Pakistan needs a coach, not a mentor, and the message will get across. A lot of the Pakis are adept at English and there'd be enough guys out there translating if need be. |
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Sledger
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 6:59am |
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All the valid comments above just confirm what I've always believed - coaching Pakistan is about as tough as it gets in this game ! It's also disappointing that Wasim hasn't got the recognition in his homeland that he deserved. He played with fantastic committment for Lancashire for many years and is still revered by the fans - I'd go as far as to say that he was the finest bowler than Lancashire ever had and they've had some greats !
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 7:23am |
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True Sledge!! And language is certainly no barrier. Pakistan's finest hour came under Bob Woolmer and Inzi was the captain and we all know about Inzi's English.
Pakistan have a tough series coming up against sri Lanka in the UAE. It would be tough to get results there but I back Pakistan team to give a tough time t the Murali-less Lankans.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 6:29pm |
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absolutely agree with Zuhair and Mikey on their views, Wasim was never respected by the PCB despite having done so so much for Pakistan, and yes he is very much respected and loved in India despite the fact that he is a Pakistani. (which is very rare). There is hardly a friend of mine who doesn't rate Wasim as one of the top 3 bowlers of all time.
Mikey is right on Afridi though, I often visit Pakpassion, a pakistani website, and if you read the views of the users there you always get a feeling that people are more interested in getting their favorite players playing in the team rather than to see the team win, in fact people feel happy if the team loses just because their favorite player was dropped. That is plain ridiculous. No one individual can be greater than the team, the team comes first. I was one of the biggest critic of Misbah and never wanted him in the team but today I am delighted to have been proved wrong, Misbah is not only a very deserving player but also a team man and a man who despite having been dropped fought his way back into the team by performing at domestic level, at no point in time did he lose his cool on the PCB or the management neither did he gave up. well done Misbah. Finally Sledge and Zuhair are right, language should not be a barrier but the problem is it is difficult to convince a foreign coach to come and stay in pakistan, hence at this point of time a pakistani coach will be perhaps better.
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Amal
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Posted: 23 September 2011 at 7:20am |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 23 September 2011 at 4:08pm |
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There is always hope Amal, although the flat wickets will make it difficult to force a result in all three tests I'm still expecting a 2-0 win for Pakistan, because in tests SLN are just not quite up to it, they don't have the bowling, batting is heavily reliant on a few players while PAK have a good all round team, esp good test players like Azhar Ali, Taufeeq Umer etc... to go with Younus and Misbah.
in ODI's it will be a bit closer, I'd say 3-2 to Pakistan because with Malinga in and a few other good ODI players like Perera, Matthews, Chandimal to go with the big three SLN are still a formidable force in ODI's.
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Posted: 23 September 2011 at 11:01pm |
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Yes Amal as Sam said there is always hope and Sam get well soon mate.
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Posted: 24 September 2011 at 3:08pm |
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I'm slightly better now Mystery, Thanks!
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