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    Posted: 23 November 2010 at 5:08pm
very true comments indeed by sledge on south africa, even I was surprised that they didn't declare today, in fact the moment they lost that first wicket they were defensive. kahmed is also right, you can fear if the opposition has a Sehwag or a Gayle or a Gilchrist in their side who can change the game quite dramatically, Pakistan are not that type of side, even if they give them 270-280 to chase I'm sure pakistan will go for a draw.

nonetheless, the longer the south africans bat the happier we are, I was in my office and was constantly looking at the system clock today and the wickets column on the scorecard tab when Pak were batting, it was like run time run and wickets please don't fall!

Gutsy stuff from Pakistan, I like this for the first time I have seen PAK bat so deep, Sami at 11, boy he is good enough to be a no.8! (may be not good enough with the ball though!)    and look at RSA, Morkel at 11!!! even he is good enough to be a no.8.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 November 2010 at 6:07pm
This is quite shocking, since the start of the year till now only one player has been able to survive in the entire Pakistan team!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked
That player by the way is Umer Gul.

Hobart:
Butt, Farhat, Manzoor, M.Yousuf, Umar Akmal, Malik, Sarfraz, Aamer, Gul, Danish, Asif.

Abu Dhabi:
Taufeeq, Hafeez, Azhar, Younis, Misbah, Shafiq, Adnan, Rehman, Gul, Sami, Tanvir Ahmed.

I actually got this from a pakistani website which I visited just like that and all of a sudden I came upon this! I feel very sad at this really because teams are not built like this and this just sums up the situation of Pak cricket at the moment. extremely poor selction policies, extremely poor management and in one case extremely unfortunate circumstances.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:16am
Sledger is totally right about SA, they are very, very, very conservative when setting totals, they always make sure that there is no way they can lose before they declare.  SA should be belting runs at a faster rate too, don't know why they were slacking around for.
 
And yes, I'd be happy is Pakistan draw it out for that very reason!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 5:20am
 If SA declare on their overnight score and Pakistan go on to win the match , would Smith and company get hammered in the press ?  I think not , at least they made an effort to win the match.
          I'm with the Pakistani posters here , Pakistan don't really have the line up to go for the win and will be happy to draw the match - why can't Smith also see that?  Did conservatism get them to number 2 in the world because if it did then the scoring system needs addressing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 5:51am
There is no way South African batmen should come out to play today. Pakistan have never scored 320 plus runs in a day's game in my memory - and this team is the least likely to do it. Morkel will have to stand up and pitch the ball up if they are to win. Morkel has not pitched a single ball full - he has bowled too short.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 5:58am
Morkel always bowls short , he's not maturing quickly enough. Yes , the odd one in your own half is fully justified , but not all six !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 6:02am
...............and true to form , the South Africans bat on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 6:32am
Why would you bat six more overs on the final day. Cant believe that losing the game was even in the thoughts of Smith. They can still win it but this tactic will remain a prime example of defensive strategy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 6:43am
Totally nonsensical mate !  Let's hope Pakistan repeat England's Cape Town performance of January - 9 down with a few overs to go and holding on for the draw !
          Did the South Africans learn anything from that match ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 7:07am
So that means it is Smith who makes the call? Because they now have a new coach - and I bet any other team would have declared at least overnight if not earlier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 7:46am
Whatever SA's plan , it isn't working!  47-0 after 14 overs and seeing off Steyn in the process. I just don't see the spin twins (!) of Botha and Harris causing many problems - the batsmen play better spinners at home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 8:29am
its really very defensiv approch from a no. 2 team in the world. . They could have scored at NORMAL rate yesterday in the last 15 over and got to 340. maybe 350. They scored just 16 in the last 10 overs. On such wickets they had to give Pakistan a little chance to win it. It was the best chance for them to win. They left pakistan no choice other than play for a draw. The field is still very defensiv.
Pakistani batsmen have always the problem that they dont know what they want and what the target is. SA made them so easy to tell that they have to play for draw.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 8:54am
And the fear is fast becoming true. Three down in the space of six deliveries - all LBW. it is South Africa's to lose from here. I cant see Pakistan saving this one now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 8:58am
3 straight balls and all lbw. Its unbeleavable how pakistan can make a match out of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 8:59am
 Three without a run being added - if there's any consolation , none of those deliveries turned !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 9:10am
2 more wickets and Steyn can bowl at the pakistani tail.
These 2 have to survive this session.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 12:16pm
Don't fret kahmad , 153-3 and SA going through the motions - when will SA ever learn ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 12:29pm
A draw it is and Pakistan will take more from this than the South Africans.   Would an earlier (much earlier!) declaration made for a more interesting game , the answer to that has to be, yes. Would SA have won , I won't die wondering and probably neither will they , they've been here before !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 12:35pm
what can SA do with the 200+ runs which they saved?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 12:57pm
Exactly kahmad , fortune favours the brave !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 12:59pm
Kallis said it was a good preparation for the Indian series. Pathetic comment really. You should play for the present most of the times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:14pm

And if they draw against India they will say it was a good preparation for the World Cup.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:23pm
The curators have to find a mixture of the subcontinent and bouncy wickets from SA, Australia etc. where every team can feel comfortable. In asia only great bowlers are doing well but on bouncy wickets also an average bowler with maybe 130kmh is unplayble for some good asian Batsmen.

I want to say something about the find for Pakistan 'Azhar Ali'. Pakistan have found after a long time someone with that temrament. Even Yousuf, Younus didn't have that at their start. He is really a test material. With Aamer, Asif and Kaneria this side would have done a lot better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:35pm
Yes, and he played the most number of balls in the series. Takes some doing that especially when Kallis is the top scorer by a fair margin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:42pm

Pakistan finally have found decent openers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:44pm
Hafeez isn't decent, he will be sorted out easily in New Zealand conditions. Taufeeq belongs to test cricket though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:48pm
But Atleast he looks better than that crap Farhat or others that Pakistan have tried before.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 4:48pm
In New Zealand conditions no one from pakistani Batting lineup will be decent. Hafeez surprised me a lot in this series. These performances wasnt expected from him, also not in odis.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 5:07pm
Let us give some credit to Misbah as well, he took over the captaincy at a very very difficult time and to add to that he ahd to justify his own place in the side. Playing three match saving knocks on a trot to save the series for his country deserves a special mention. Well done Misbah!

Very good comments on Azhar Ali by all... PAK needed a player like him in this middle order... I would go as far as saying that he will be the "Wall" of Pakistan in the future. Well played Azhar!

coming to RSA, well yes they should have declared earlier but still they would not have won, PAK had depth in their batting, Abdur Rahman is an all rounder actually, and Gul, Sami and Tanvir can all bat, so it was never going to be easy... nonetheless defensive stuff by smith but I think he knew that the pitch didn't had much to offer.

PAK take 5 ratings points as a result of this drawn series, while RSA get -3. This also means the gap between India and RSA has further widened.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2010 at 8:13pm
Kahmad: I think Azhar will do well even in NZ he looks like Dravid.
Sam: Misbah did very well with the bat but his captaincy was very bad i hope he improves his captaincy on NZ tour.
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