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    Posted: 02 April 2007 at 2:42pm
They definitely can. But I was under the impression that '99 was Klusener's year.
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Yea it was Klusener's year(for WC player of the tournament).  Maybe Warne was the best bowler...Im not sure....havent looked it up. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 April 2007 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by Mojo

They definitely can. But I was under the impression that '99 was Klusener's year.


  So it was !!!  Warne got man of the match in the final.........tis sad how the ole braincells just keep dying!
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At this stage of the tournament i think the most likely are:
 
Batsmen: Kallis, Hayden - Clarke/Styris dark horses
Bowlers: Bond, McGrath -Hogg/Murali dark horses
 
This is simply by statistics (which i know arent everything) but i am sure the selection panel will go by statistics anyway. Im sure this will create some contraversey!Wink
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I think Kallis is currently the top pick at this stage. He's scored a huge amount of runs with a mighty average, and he's picked up a few wickets along the way too.
 
If his form continues this way, there's little doubt that he'll take it.
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Scott Styris is doing really well too.
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Originally posted by scuudz

Scott Styris is doing really well too.
 
Scotty Styris currently has the best batting average for the World Cup thus far with 126.33.   Close behind are Jacque Kallis (110.25) and Michael Clarke (98.66). 
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Originally posted by Mojo

I think Kallis is currently the top pick at this stage. He's scored a huge amount of runs with a mighty average, and he's picked up a few wickets along the way too. 
If his form continues this way, there's little doubt that he'll take it.


 Not if SA fail to make the semis Mojo ! Wink
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Here are top performers
 
Best batting averages in 2007 World Cup (at least 250 runs)
Batsman Matches Runs Average Strike rate
Scott Styris 7 379 126.33 83.48
Jacques Kallis 7 441 110.25 90.00
Michael Clarke 6 296 98.67 102.06
Matthew Hayden 6 436 87.20 107.12
Ricky Ponting 6 348 69.60 100.00
Stephen Fleming 6 290 58.00 94.15
Kevin Pietersen 7 341 56.83 77.14
Sanath Jayasuriya 6 303 50.50 104.48
Graeme Smith 7 351 50.14 100.57
 
Player Mat Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5
GD McGrath (Aus) 7 52.5 3 235 18 3/14 13.05 4.44 17.6 0 0
SL Malinga (SL) 6 43.2 3 214 15 4/54 14.26 4.93 17.3 1 0
M Muralitharan (SL) 7 64.4 1 257 15 3/32 17.13 3.97 25.8 0 0
SW Tait (Aus) 7 52.3 1 286 14 3/39 20.42 5.44 22.5 0 0
DL Vettori (NZ) 7 67.4 2 286 14 4/23 20.42 4.22 29.0 1 0
GB Hogg (Aus) 7 53.0 3 225 13 4/27 17.30 4.24 24.4 1 0
Abdur Razzak (Ban) 7 54.4 4 252 12 3/20 21.00 4.60 27.3 0 0
CK Langeveldt (SA) 6 53.0 2 289 12 5/39 24.08 5.45 26.5 0 1
WPUJC Vaas (SL) 7 56.0 13 189 11 3/33 17.18 3.37 30.5 0 0
A Flintoff (Eng) 6 53.1 3 203 11 4/43 18.45 3.81 29.0 1 0
DB Powell (WI) 7 65.0 9 289 11 2/24 26.27 4.44 35.4 0 0
SE Bond (NZ) 6 49.4 7 128 10 3/31 12.80 2.57 29.8 0 0
NW Bracken (Aus) 6 45.0 4 163 10 3/33 16.30 3.62 27.0 0 0
 
Kallis with most runs, but Hayden, Jayasuriya, Smith and Ponting are in a killer mood! McGrath, Tait and Malinga with lot of wickets, good SR but bit expensive. Flintoff, Murali, Vaas and Bond are very tight and have taken wickets too.
 
Batting wise my best player is Hayden and Bowling wise it is Muralitharan. Few more wickets for Murali or one or two centuries for Hayden these two will be hot cotenders for player of  the series
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wiseguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2007 at 8:42am
Just looking at the list , Two teams that stand out in bowling department, Australia with 54 wickets shared by 4 bowlers and Lankans 41 by 3 bowlers, similarly Ausies top in the batting with three batsmen in top ten and Kiwis & Africans with 2 each. Lankans should improve a bit in their batting from the look of things, but their wins looks more on an Above average performance by most batsmen. Kiwis and Africans should find a few strike bowlers very quickly to have a say in the final stages. Infact its really bad not see the likes of BOnd and Ntini not amongst the top and probably Lara, Gayle  and Sangakara missing batting line, These were the pre tournament favourites by many!
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Bond not amongst the top?
 
Firstly he will jump to 7th on the wicket taking list. Remember he didn't play against Kenya which cost him say 2-3 wickets given his current average so far in this WC.
 
He has the lowest economy rate by far and being a fast bowler this is hard to achieve. His average is also the lowest out of anyone on that list.
 
Still think he hasn't lived up to expectations?
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Originally posted by bond2322

Bond not amongst the top?
 
Firstly he will jump to 7th on the wicket taking list. Remember he didn't play against Kenya which cost him say 2-3 wickets given his current average so far in this WC.
 
He has the lowest economy rate by far and being a fast bowler this is hard to achieve. His average is also the lowest out of anyone on that list.
 
Still think he hasn't lived up to expectations?
I expected him up there around Macgrath or malinga atleast, but he is a great talent. unfortunately Injuries have not allowed him to play to his potential. But he is a great site to watch, and I hope the coming crucial matches, he becomes the most potent force for his team and believe me with his accuracy, and pace he may well be the vital diffrence!
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I saw the points table for best player of WC. McGrath got 15 and Styris 9. My problem is what have McGrath done to get 15 points? if McGrath got 15 Murai shuold have also got 13 atleats (compare Muralis performance with McGraths). Remember this time the normal sccusation could not be done, only 3 wckets against minnows, where as McGrath got about 7 against minnows. Bias may be?
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Where is this table?
 
Player Mat Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5
GD McGrath (Aus) 7 52.5 3 235 18 3/14 13.05 4.44 17.6 0 0
M Muralitharan (SL) 7 64.4 1 257 15 3/32 17.13 3.97 25.8 0 0
Murali has gone for more runs, taken less wickets, has a worse average, has a much worse strike rate and is marginaly more economical. I cant see biased in any way, shape or form. Mcgrath has simply out bowled him in this tournament.


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Originally posted by tonks007

Where is this table?
I saw it during the last match. It was done by voting of commentators.
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Well judging by the statistics in my previous post, i cant see how you could compare Murali and McGrath in this tournament. What's with this "bias" every time an aussie recieves some form of accolade or doing something really well? Is it really that difficult to just accept the fact that they are really that good?Wink
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Murali has gone for more runs, taken less wickets, has a worse average, has a much worse strike rate and is marginaly more economical. I cant see biased in any way, shape or form. Mcgrath has simply out bowled him in this tournament.
SR will be higher for Murali because he is a spinner! and why wou are not talking about economy rate? and also the quality of the performances? Muralis wickets came at far more tougher situations than McGraths. Only time Aus were under pressure was against Eng and SAF. But SL were under pressure for most of the matches except against minnows.
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I don't know what your arguing about. Surely they won't award the player of the tournament based upon what some commentators think?

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And by the way think you are one of the people who were saying stats does not tell every thing i I am not mistaken
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I don't know what your arguing about. Surely they won't award the player of the tournament based upon what some commentators think?

Sadly looks like it tonks! Matthew Hayden was about 5th in the list if you still think the list is fare with 8 points if I can remeber correctly!
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He did talk about economy rate, the best time to talk about this post will be tommorrow after they go head to head, then you will be able to go on about pressure.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tonks007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2007 at 8:09am
I did actually write that he is marginally more economical. How is it McGrath's problem that he is playing "minnows" more than Sri Lanka? As i wrote, McGrath is just simply out bowling Murali in this tournament. Yes, i do believe stats dont tell you everything but going by these stats which is obviously what you are going off, there is no comparison.
 
    How can you suggest bias when you dont have a leg to stand on? That is what i am getting at and true Bondy, who cares what commentators say. it just gets my back up when people cant see the difference between talent and bias. That will do me regarding the "mystery" table anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Migara Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2007 at 8:15am
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I did actually write that he is marginally more economical. How is it McGrath's problem that he is playing "minnows" more than Sri Lanka? As i wrote, McGrath is just simply out bowling Murali in this tournament. Yes, i do believe stats dont tell you everything but going by these stats which is obviously what you are going off, there is no comparison.
 

    How can you suggest bias when you dont have a leg to stand on? That is what i am getting at and true Bondy, who cares what commentators say. it just gets my back up when people cant see the difference between talent and bias. That will do me regarding the "mystery" table anyway.
My question was McGraths 15 vs Muralis 3 points. and I suggested that Murali deserves more on these stats. Please read my post once more. I was calling for "bias" in having a gap of 12 points for the mere difference of 3 wickets! Definietly when few other jokers have got more points than Murali for their bowling.

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I think the table incriminates itself by having McGrath up there leading by so many points.

By god haven't Styris, Hayden and Kallis played well in this tournament?
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I think the table incriminates itself by having McGrath up there leading by so many points.


By god haven't Styris, Hayden and Kallis played well in this tournament?
Styris was 2nd with 9 points bondy, and Kallis was 3rd if I am not mistaken. Poor soul Hayden was 5th! The also the point cones is McGrath so good than Styris in this world cup? Or mcGrath is peerless with his performance in this WC. ******** is my answer. He is marginally better but not as it is shown in that table!

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As you said, who cares what they? I dont know what games there watching cause Styris should be daylight in front!
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Styris or Kallis, both handy all rounders aren't they?

Its a shame Malinga got injured. I'm sure he would havent warranted a place up there also.


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What are you getting at?

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