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Damien Martyn

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Topic: Damien Martyn
Posted By: PaulJ
Subject: Damien Martyn
Date Posted: 22 April 2005 at 2:44am
Could you please explain why Damien Martyn is so low in your ratings considering the quality of his performances in the last 12+ months? With the runs he has scored and the man-of-the-match efforts your rating system seems flawed. Any clarification you could give would be appreciated.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 April 2005 at 11:01pm

Yeah these ratings on cricketworld are somewhat flawed actually. I have access to some more accurate (no offence to those who compilethe MVP for cricketworld) ratings that are kept private and they basically have the status of Test batsmen ratings as: (after the second Test between South Africa and the west Indies):

 1. Jaques Kallis
 2. Brian Lara
 3. Damien Martyn
 4. Virendher Sehwag
 5. Justin Langer
 6. Adam Gilchrist
 7. Rahul Dravid
 8. Hamish Marshall
 9. Ricky Ponting
10. Graeme Smith

I think those are somehwhat accurate and those are compiled by a ratings company that the ICC uses the service of but keeps the identity of hidden. They also have their own service provided by ProceWaterHouseCoopers (PwC which is their London Stock Exchange listing) which are usually fairly similar and in tandom with the ratings provided by ______________ ______.

I would agree that Damien has been in the form of his life but you do also have to understand that these things are incredibly difficult to compile and i myself have a formulatic equation of my own that i use to compile my own ratings and it is very complicated and perplex to understand and to be honest of all the ratings systems i think it may well be the most accurate of the lot. My system has already incidently already provided the latest ratings which have already accounted for the entire South Africa - West Indies series and funnily enough even though you may say that you can't prophesise what has already taken place in the series and can't include it and so on it is actually a much more accurate system on the whole.



Posted By: sporty
Date Posted: 25 April 2005 at 4:48am
 Damien Martyn is one very under rated player.He is a fantastic batsman and can score runs in dead pitches and very pressurised situations.He has scored 3 centuries in 4 matches in the sub continent after his team was trailing on  first innings.This shows that he could bat in pressure cooker situations.I too just cannot understand these ratings and I never go by them.The LG ICC ratings are more accurate.


Posted By: PaulJ
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:12am
Thankyou for responding to my post. I agree that rating systems are hard and I haven't attempted to do one for the test players as there are so many factors that the raw statistics just do not provide. However, I agree that the LG ICC (ex-PWC) ratings is the better system.
 
 


Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 1:48pm
Damien Martyn is having a tough time in the Ashes series, only 80 odd runs from 3 innings!

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Posted By: Drewskapepper
Date Posted: 08 August 2005 at 12:48am
Martyn is a great player, he's struggling against England because we seem to bowl well at him, and set the right field.


Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 22 September 2005 at 2:50pm
....and now he's dropped.....we'll find out soon enough how keen he is to get his test place back. SA's 1st Test is at the WACA in December , he'll want to be playing on his home ground!

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Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 5:14am
Damien Martyn is a great batsmen but he is out of form. Look at the way he played in the ashes. That is why he was dropped, a crap batsmen.
When he is out of form he is BAD BAD BAD and more BAD. Wait until he gets into form and then pick him again and then he will make four centuries in four innings.


Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 9:25pm
Yea, i've noticed damien martin didn't do anything for england and i would go as far as to say he doesn't even deserve to be in the MVP ratings.

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Posted By: surenj
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 11:43pm

the thing with Australian selectors is once you're dropped its probably unlikely you're going to get back into the team. The careers of Jason Gillespie and Martyn are all but over - look at Michael Bevan for example who dominated domestic cricket last year (average close to or on 100 in the First Class game) and did not even get a look in.

Plus Martyn had some pretty dodgey decisions in the Ashes, a couple of times there were clear inside edges which the umpire failed to pick up and he was given out LBW. In terms of strokeplay, Martyn was probably the best Australian batsman to watch in this team, the most like Mark Waugh in terms of finesse. Its a shame to see him dropped



Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 12:02am
well all those unfair decisions are unfair but its just the way the game is and i don't like it but what can i do? the thing is Damien Martyn clearly failed to be consistent through out the ashes and that is why i think he is dropped.

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Posted By: capital_s
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 2:19am
Despite Martyn being in the form of his life before the ashes, his
dropping after his ashes failure proves how harsh the Australians can be.

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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age


Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 2:53am
Well if you don't perform for a whole series, especially one that means so much to your nation, than i would expect any board to drop a player like that.

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Posted By: Wolfman
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 4:21am
Martyn has always been a bit of a scape goat. When things aren't going well he is the first to be dropped.


Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 4:23am
you mean the aussies lost the ashes and martyn was in bad form at the same time. well, maybe if he was in good form and the aussies still lost the ashes, maybe then he wouldn't be dropped.

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Posted By: surenj
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 1:17am

there were clearly a lot more players than just martyn who were out of form and avoided the chop saadadvanced. the selectors needed someone to blame for the loss and thus took it out on martyn.

no one is asking you to fix the problem, i'm just pointing out that it was a slight injustice, and this is the general feeling in Australia regarding Martyn's sacking



Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 1:28am
ok, gilchrist was out of form but he's the best keeper in the world so they couldn't chop him. hayden was out of form but he has great averages and at the end managed a big ton so they couldn't chop him. gillispie was out of form and was already chopped. so the last one left to chop was martyn.

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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 1:32am

Originally posted by saadadvanced7

ok, gilchrist was out of form but he's the best keeper in the world so they couldn't chop him. hayden was out of form but he has great averages and at the end managed a big ton so they couldn't chop him. gillispie was out of form and was already chopped. so the last one left to chop was martyn.

What about Katich? Clarke? Gilchrist the best keeper in the world. I really hope you meant the best keeper-batsman in the world, as fine player he is he is not the best gloveman around.



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Posted By: capital_s
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 2:05am
I reckon Katich wasn't dropped because he wasn't too bad in the series
and hadn't been out of form before the ashes. Clarke would never have
been dropped because he recently got the allan border medal and is one
of australia's young talents. If you see my topic on clarke, you'll see what i
mean.

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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age


Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 2:06am
-JP-, i meant if they chop gilchrist who is good enough to replace gilchrist??

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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 2:10am
katich has already been chopped and as capital_s said that clarke wouldn't be dropped because he recently won the allan border medal and is one of australia's young talents.
so that leaves martyn the only one to be chopped.

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Posted By: Wolfman
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 4:02am
Mate, if you look at Damien Martyn's history, there are a couple of other examples where he was dropped when he didn't deserve to be. In that wonderfully tight loss to South Africa when he was a youngster. He was made a scape goat. And recently, he was also. He had one bad series, as all players do. Unfortunately it coincided with others also having bad series' (what is the plural of series?!).

The Aussie selectors had to appear to be doing something, and off went Martyn. Expect to probably see him back fr the South African series, if the new comers, or Clarke continue to fail. Martyn has been scoring runs for Western Australia, he may well still return to the test arena.


Posted By: capital_s
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 4:28am
I don't know what the selectors have against martyn. Maybe he's not
enough of a croud pleaser. He might have been one of aussies greats had
he not been dropped in '92. I noticed in his stats he played in '92 and
then didn't play for another 10 years or something like that. Man thats
harsh!

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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age


Posted By: Rebourne_
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 4:43am
i rekon martyn should stay in the team. he can be a good player at times

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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 9:54am

Originally posted by capital_s

I don't know what the selectors have against martyn. Maybe he's not
enough of a croud pleaser. He might have been one of aussies greats had
he not been dropped in '92. I noticed in his stats he played in '92 and
then didn't play for another 10 years or something like that. Man thats
harsh!

He was dropped after a close game ended in a loss for the Aussies (against South Africa?) and he was deemed to be a culprit, playing a poor shot to get out near the end and so was dropped for that amount of time.



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Posted By: Wolfman
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 11:13am
Yeah, it was against South Africa, where the Aussies were skittled for something like 129 (maybe wrong). Martyn, who was very young at that time, got out playing a horrible shot, I think he was the last man out, possible second last.

It is a bit harsh though, (I believe the Aussies lost by three runs) seeing as non of the experienced players did much better than him. To be dropped for 10 years must be a nightmare!


Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 7:45pm
that's not fair. they dropped him for 10 years. they wasted 10 years of his life. that's harsh. he is a good player and might have deserved to be dropped after the ashes but he doesn't deserve to be dropped for 10 years.

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Posted By: abub
Date Posted: 08 December 2005 at 6:09pm

Originally posted by saadadvanced7

that's not fair. they dropped him for 10 years. they wasted 10 years of his life. that's harsh. he is a good player and might have deserved to be dropped after the ashes but he doesn't deserve to be dropped for 10 years.

that perfectly right why waste his life init



Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 09 December 2005 at 5:42am
Originally posted by Wolfman

Yeah, it was against South Africa, where the Aussies were skittled for
something like 129 (maybe wrong). Martyn, who was very young at thattime, got out playing a horrible shot, I think he was the last man out,possible second last.


It was SA at Sydney and South Africa won by 5 runs. He was 3rd last wicket to fall. The last two were McDermott and finally McGrath was caught and bowled by Fanie De Villiers , who took 6 wickets in the innings.

Martyn batted for over an hour and scored only 6 runs - he battled to get the ball off the square against some tight bowling.

You're right though - he was made a scapegoat and took an age to get back into the side. Personally I think he's been very hard done by - he got at least two ruffies in England and he did play very well at Lords. Don't forget the catch to dismiss Pietersen either - that was a beaut !!

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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 09 December 2005 at 10:56pm
Damien Martyns career has been wasted. He is 34. He'll play for another 2 years...maybe. he hasn't been doing too bad lately.

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Posted By: marto
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 3:28pm

you ppl need to remember in the the ashes series he got some poor desecions against him. and lately he's been in awesome form in the odi's and 20/20. I dont get y he got dropped from the test team in the frist place. it should of been katich dropped first.



Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 14 January 2006 at 3:43am
Oh well. His career has been wasted. He could've become a great batsman but they wasted his career.


Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 14 January 2006 at 2:05pm
if he gets thrown out of both then it will be like lehmann's story


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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 12:10am
Since I am still fairly new to cricket, I don't know the 'lehmann story'. Can you please expand on that a bit?



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