Irfan Pathan
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Topic: Irfan Pathan
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Subject: Irfan Pathan
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 7:12pm
| irfan pathan used to be such an amazing bowler with amazing ability to move ball late with very good pace around 85mph and somtimes higher.now he is barely touching 75mph but is still moving the ball around, however he is no longer a factor when the ball becomes old, irfan is one of my fav players but i am realy starting to get worried as he is just not bowling that good rite now, what do u guys think on him losing his pace and wicket taking ability |
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Posted By: sosolidsingh
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 7:47pm
| He is still an incredibly skilled bolwer ith the new ball as shown against Pakistan with hat-trick but I agree as of late he has been a bit inconsistent bowling wise.A couple of months ago I would agreed with you that he was a bit inconspicuous with the old ball but in this series with England he has reversed the ball a lot - take for example the beauty that got Alistair Cook in the 1st test. Also, his batting has improved more than perhaps anybody in world cricket so he has focused on that a bit perhaps. He is starting to look better with the old ball but the only reason it has taken so long is in my opinion is that he rarely gets a chance with kumble and bhaji bowling with the old ball. Also, you must remember that his past 3three series have been on the dead sub continent where anybody's stats will suffer. In the previous series outside the sub continent- against Zimbabwe admittedly - he made excellent use of the helpful conditions - taking a world record 23 wickets in two tests iI think it was. He might have lost a touch of pace but he has gained control - the fact that he is bowling slower is apparen'tly bowling a tad slower is also dur to the fatc that he is holding his thumb across the seam rather than along it- he is aware of this though and does it by choice to gain extra swing. So the potential is still there to bowl faster. So do not worry - there is still much to come from the HOTTEST PROPERTY IN WORLD CRICKET!!!!! |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 16 March 2006 at 9:21pm
| well i know what ur trying to say he is bowling better witht the old ball but reverse swing DOES NOT affect the batsman when it is bowled at a medium pace it is not affective when bowled 70 or 75k, i mean pathan is almost bowling as fast as kumble he needs to pick it up |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 17 March 2006 at 12:48pm
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i agree with sehwag no. 1. i also feel that pathan is not being that effective with the old ball as he was a few yrs ago. but still as long as he is taking wickets we shouldn't mind it. |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 17 March 2006 at 5:24pm
| Maybe he is not as effective, but like jumbo said, if he is picking up wickets regularly then it may not be such a big issue. |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 17 March 2006 at 5:32pm
| but guys outside the first couple of overs, unless its a poor shot by the batsman irfan pathan is not performing, his pace is non existing, his average is around 120k i mean u have to say that is slow for an opening bowler, thats almost as fast as kumble |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 17 March 2006 at 5:36pm
| Well it doesn't really matter if he's capable of taking wickets at that pace. Look at glen mcgrath and shaun pollock. If irfan pathan is able to make the batsman play an ordinary shot, then the credit goes to him and his bowling. |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 17 March 2006 at 5:46pm
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i bet no indian bowler is at present feeling as comfortable as pathan with the new ball. in the recent matches he is the only bowler who is taking wickets with the new ball. but he is facing a stiff competition from the others and he will have to increase his pace if he wants to be the pace spearhead |
Posted By: Mahrukh
Date Posted: 17 March 2006 at 9:53pm
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Irfan Pathan is effective 50-50 you never know with him but when hes in good form hes no doubt dangerous. ------------- Life has changed |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 18 March 2006 at 12:59am
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I agree that he has not been upto hi best recently. I think he is concentrating more on his batting because he enjoys it more and that the team has good bowlers like RP Singh, Sreesanth, Kumble. I think it's just for the time being. Another possibility is that he could be out of form. ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 18 March 2006 at 2:04am
| maybe so, hopefully he come back and take a whole bunch of wickets for india |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 1:33am
| but guys first day against england, HORRIBLE! to say the least i think his bad bowling is catching up to him, no more of the batsman bailing him out |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 10:54am
Give it a rest Sehwag no.1. Pathan did not take any wickets today, but it's not like everyone is going to take wickets in every match they play. He's being trying so hard and you cannot do anything better than try your best. Poor thing, stop critizising him. 
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Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:32pm
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i agree we should be patient but our bench strength is getting better and the one not performing can be in serious trouble. i hope pathan finds his form and demolish the english batsmen in the next inn. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:41pm
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that would be good ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:45pm
Fingers crossed for him. 
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Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 1:03pm
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i was just wondering why isn't he appealing for lbws. there was one plumb in this match. even in the previous one there was a chance of lbw.i think it was flintoff or kp |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 1:20pm
| Yeh, exactly, maybe he just wasnt so sure. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 2:30pm
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pathan can't get bench, simple as that. who would replace him, sehwag no 1. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 4:01pm
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rp soingh can replace him for the bowling not batting
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Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 6:21pm
| look guys irfan pathan is basically becoming the 6th batsman who can give u a couple overs witht he new ball. he only bowled 17 overs in the whole england innnings. |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 6:25pm
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of course at present we don't have anyone who can replace him as others r still learning. he is a proven act but if he has started concentrating on his batting and his bowling is affected then in near future he can be in trouble. |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 9:24pm
| i am just trying to say that i would rather have irfan pathan the amazing bowler, rather than irfan pathan half ass bowler half ass batsman tho irfan pathan the allrounder would be great |
Posted By: quicky
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 10:29pm
| the thing is i don't think he is a fit as he was, the reason y he is bowling slower is because he thinks that is the speed where you get optimum swing etc, so therefore his body doesnt need to be as fit, still a good slogger though. But he still can bowl in the 80mph zone 2day against england he bowled on that read 84.6mph i think, but yer ur right he has lost alot of his fire as a bowler, patel is an interesting prospect though, sreesanth looks like a 14yr old boy. |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 2:53am
| so guys are u now convinced pathan isn't bowling well, i mean im not trying to say i don't like the lad but whats the difference between him and sourav ganguly(well there is a difference but lets not get in that) they have both not been performing for a while, who is to say in a few months patahn wont be kicked out |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 3:02am
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His bowling has dropped off, his batting has improved but it is not consistent..He really needs to focus on his bowling, that is what India need a quality, swing pace bowler, not a half ass medium paacer like in the past. INDIA DO NOT need an extra batsmen, if he can slog or get osme runs at the bottomm that is handy, but he needs to be there as a bowler. ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 4:33pm
| that is the point im trying to get across, but these guys just say its no worry, hes not taking wickets rite now guys! |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 4:54pm
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He is going away like Zaheer. He should not. Something is wrong with him. He will back soon. He is still a better bowler than Zaheer to go away that easily. Once he is back in form then he will come back hard and then will be more consistent. ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 7:44pm
| i agree zaheer used to be as fast as 90mph but just lost his stuff, i hope pathan will not suffer the same fate |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:32am
| The thing is that they are asking too much of Pathan! They want him to be an outstanding all-rounder! They want him to score runs and take wickets! Too much pressure, and he'll collapse. |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 8:50pm
| i agree that is also true but, all cricketers have pressure to deal with, he cant get caught up with allthe hype, he needs to be a bowler first and a batsman second, i personally think he will never reach the level at which he was at with his bowling,the pace is non existing |
Posted By: J.P.
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 8:56pm
| i thought he was an all rounder didn't you and by the way whjat do you think of me |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:08pm
| yes i did thonk he was an allrounder but i have changed my mind he is not consistant being an allronder so i cant give him the tag yet |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:09pm
| and people tell me ur pretty annoying, but i havent clashed with u so i dunno |