Best 1 down batsman
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Topic: Best 1 down batsman
Posted By: dhonifan
Subject: Best 1 down batsman
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 2:14am
| Who do you think is the best No. 3 batsman in the world. |
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Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 2:19am
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Ricky Ponting of course. He is like an aggressor, he helps the team out when they are in trouble, like if its 2-3, he turns the score into 2-200.(A great example of this is the 2nd VB series final at the SCG against Sri Lanka) This is why he is so good at no.3. ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 2:48am
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well if this is for tests it is no doubt rahul dravid, but in one days i would give my vote to ponting, overall i got to give to the more complete cricketer afterall rahul dravid.
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 3:14am
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I would say Rahul Dravid because many great cricketers have agreed that he is one of the best no.3 batsmen of his time. ------------- |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 5:06am
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Maybe Rahul Dravid is a better batsman than Ricky Ponting. But Ponting is better NO.3 batsman than Dravid. ------------- |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 10:51am
If dravid is an overall better batsman than ponting, how can ponting be a better no.3 batsman? 
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Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:34pm
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we shouldn't compare the two. they r both world class players.both scoring brilliantly in odi's and tests.both captaing the side.their avg is also similar. |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:41pm
| Yeh you are right, but you can only comapre world class players with other world class players. I actaully think that this is one of the better topics of comparison and contrast. |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:51pm
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ya i agree that this is the best comparison in the forum but they r best in their own ways. ponting is more aggresive in his approach whereas dravid is one of the most patient batsman dravid-test Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
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Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:53pm
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dravid - odi Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:55pm
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it dosent get much closer then that tests both 9000 runs odis both 8000 runs even wickets are identical ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 12:57pm
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best No.3 batsmen
inzy last cause he usually bats at 5 ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 1:00pm
| ya inzy bats at 5 so he is ruled out. but inzy is a great player and he is just like both of the above players mentioned.captain,good avg,odi and test runs,everything. |
Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 1:35pm
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dravid may be a better overall batsman, but maybe his best position isn't no.3 ! i said ponting becuase he seems so hard to get out, but scores at such a rate aswell! i don't think kallis is a no.3 becuase of the way he plays, and also i wouldnt want one of the worlds best batsman in 2nd ball of the innings! |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 1:39pm
| Well, he seems to be doing quite well at number 3 anyway. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 2:39pm
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its ponting guys, dravid really don't stick to that # 3 spot. he is at 4, 5 & 6 at times but ponting is at 3 all the time and what a great player he is. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 2:52pm
'Dravid don't stick to the no.3 spot.' Your joking! 
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Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 3:07pm
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dravid any day in a test match is better then ponting ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 3:13pm
Exactly. 
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 4:37pm
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InODI's Dravid comes lower down the order. That's why he has not been scoring more easily. He should come back to no.3 spot and start again. If Dravid was always at no.3 then he would have made more 100's and more runs Ponting. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 4:38pm
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Doesn't have time you see. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 4:39pm
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It's Ganguly's fault to have put him at a lower position during his captaincy. After that he has always come down the order. Now he is coming up once in a while which is better. ------------- |
Posted By: warnester
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 6:48pm
| ponting, the wolds best batsman at the mo me thinks, dravid is good, put slows the game down to sleeping point, i don't enjoy watcing him |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 10:22pm
Yeah, Dravid scores tooooo slowly. ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 10:29pm
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well if u look at pontings and dravids strike rates they are almost identical, so how can u say dravid scores too slowly, he does tend to say at the crease longer than ponting but they play at about e same pace according to stats |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 19 March 2006 at 11:43pm
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In the match between England and India, right now he is on 37 of 102. If Ricky Ponting faced 102 ball in a test match, he would be on 60-70. ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 12:01am
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well buddy their strike rates are ponting:59 and 80Dravid:53 and 71 yes ponting does play quicker than dravid but not as muich as u would think |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 12:52am
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See, Ponting's strike rate is better than Dravid's. Dravid has a strike rate of 71 in ODI right?
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Thats not good enough
Posted By: dhonifan
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:16am
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for ODI's strike rates should be 78-80+ dravid should always bat at number 3. in odis and tests. ODI batting order Sehwag Tendulkar Dravid Yuvraj Kaif Raina Dhoni |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:22am
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dravid is 37 from102 balls cause he india where in trouble someone needed to stabilise there innings and dravid without playing a stupid shot has done exactly that with yuvraj ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:27am
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Dravid's strike rate in ODI is 70, so he scores much slower than Ponting. ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:31am
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well 70 is still a good strike rate in odis anything under 60-65 is too slow ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:39am
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70 is a good strike rate? ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:40am
yeah ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 2:41am
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even richies beanaud said so 70 is a good strike ratein odi cricket don't tell me ur disagreeing with the great richie ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 5:25am
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He did say that? Im surprised he did. Prove it. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 9:52pm
My favorite line-up. My dream line-up at the moment. If Ganguly was in good form I'd put him in place of Raina. If he was in good form. ------------- |
Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 11:43pm
| i know a strike rate of 70 may be good over the past couple of years, but scores are getting bigger and bigger, and i think pretty soon, about 85 will be the equivalent, the question is whether or not dravid could up his tempo as the game scores increase, becuase i know ponting could quite easily! |
Posted By: Alfie103
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 10:13am
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i think ponting is the best no. 3 in the world |
Posted By: Alfie103
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 10:15am
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But Dravid is fantastic. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 10:32am
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Ponting hands down no arguments..plus Dravid is always changing around in the order. Ponting also scores quicker. ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 10:35am
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true at times dravid bats at 5 or 6 even 7 once ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 10:38am
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Yeh dead right. I am also sick of some of these people who hate Aust so much for beating their team taht they always vote against them..pathetic really, a veiled dig at Aussies. People who said Dravid are kidding themselves, he is an excellent batsmen but not the best 1 down obviously. ------------- |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 7:34pm
| So where should dravid play if not at number three? I would say that dravid is a very good number three batsman and ponting would be equal with him. I cannot say that one is better than the other. |
Posted By: Zeeshan
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 8:56pm
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how about a good young " one for the future " promising # 3 batsmen... ? Im talking about my main main main man ... Malik.. Shoaib |
Posted By: J.P.
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 9:54pm
| yes apsolutly right |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 12:27am
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Finally a good answer. ------------- |
Posted By: J.P.
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 12:43am
| well thank you i do know quite a bit a bout cricket and hoped to learn more but as i said krisdy had other plans and messed me up |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 5:30am
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hard to compare.... both have excellent records as it has been shown... however they are both completely different players.... Dravid is aptly name "The Rock" for his ability to stay at the crease and hold the indian innings together.. Where as ponting, has the ability to take an attack apart... he can change how he plays to fit the situation... whether he comes in at 1-12 or 1-112 he can turn the game on it's head and take apart the opposing bowling attack. as i said.... both are fantastic... but Ponting's ability to take apart any attack around the world, no matter what the situation makes him a gamebreaker... and for mine, he is the best no.3 in the world since 1 DG Bradman |
Posted By: Hawk Eye
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:14pm
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the List should include shoaib malik...... he is by far the best onedown batsman at the moment... ------------- Proud to be Pakistani ! |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:21pm
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shoaib malik is better than ponting and dravid.he is a world class batsman.why haven't u included him.hawk eye is really disappointed. dhonifan u have done injustice to malik malik the best one-down batsman.which world r u living in hawkeye?
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Posted By: praveen samaras
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:25pm
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But I think Kumar Sangakkara is really Great with the situvations he batting with.Coz he hasn't had any great partners like Sachin or Martin.Most times he hold the innings together. COZ OF THESE HE IS THE BEST IN HIS TIME |
Posted By: praveen samaras
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:27pm
| But HE HAS GREAT AVARAGES IN BOTH ODI,TEST MATCHS WITH GREATE STRIKE RATE>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:30pm
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and hawkeye u not knowing who munaf patel is, proves that either u watch only pakistan games or u r a kid who has just started watching cricket.so pls keep your biased comments with u only. |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:53pm
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hmmm nice to see that some more well balanced and highly intellegent individuals have joined the forums to lower all of our IQ's..... will you please explain how on earth either Shoaib Malik or Kumar Sangakkarra are better than Ponting or Dravid ??? how about making a logical decision and explaining why than just raving on with a whole load of crap just because they are a player from your country... honestly how the hell is shoaib malik "by far the best onedown batsman at the moment"... since the start of Australia's series against WI Ricky Ponting has scored 1022 runs in 7 tests (excluding the current test) at an average or 85.... please show me the figures that support your statement or malik being better than ponting....
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Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:55pm
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Dead right, normally I would toss it up between Dravid and Ponting but Dravid has not played at no.3 that much..Ponting for mine. ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 2:06pm
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kallis bats at 4 now in tests,sangakkara is good at No.3 sarwan the 3rd best then vaughan and astle ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 4:12pm
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After Dravid has become captain, he comes at no.3 more often. But you can compare them in tests because they both come at no.3 in Tests always. ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 4:33pm
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in odis id say ponting but in dravid tests ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 6:05pm
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hawk eye is one of the most biased persons i have ever seen. he is comparing malik with the likes of ponting and dravid. they r the dons of cricket whereas he is still a kid who has to learn a lot to match the likes of the above two. if he had said inzy i wouldn't have mind as he is also a very good player but shoaib mailk? |
Posted By: abubakar52
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 7:26pm
| No not yet..Malik can not be compared to them I would say Dravid in Tests he is like a wall that you cant get past..but Ponting plays faster ..He plays fast if he needs to if not he can also play slow and carefully. |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 7:35pm
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Yeh, i agree.
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Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 4:30am
| ponting is at present the best test player.he is in his dream form and there is no player who(dravid might be close) can be compared with him at present |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 5:08am
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so your saying ponting is the best batsmen in the world right now in tests ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: jumbo
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 5:36am
| yes of course. if u have some other pls let me know. in my mind i can't think of anyone else. who ise your best at present.(any position in the batting order) |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:33am
| Statistically, Shoaib Malik has been the best number 3 ODI batsman since 2004...even better than Ponting! |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:35am
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but sangakkara has scored the most runs something like 1849runs but malik has definatley without a doubt the most improved no.3 batsmen or improved batsmen in the world ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:39am
Malik has been the highest averaging number 3 batsman in ODIs since 2004. 
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Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:41am
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thats a great effort good on him one of my favourite players from pakistan ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Hawk Eye
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:43am
well thanks for givng me this title, if supporting your team is being biased,then i think all of us are biased........! i still say shoab malik is the best No 3 player in the world right now.... ------------- Proud to be Pakistani ! |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:44am
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In Tests, I would certainly go with Ricky Ponting for best number 3. He is just outstanding! He has been in the form of his life! He has been making big scores, one after the other, nonstop!
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Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 1:23pm
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Some stats for batting at No. 3 in tests.... Ponting (105 innings) has scored 5882 runs at an average of 65.35 with 21 centuries and 21 half centuries... (this is excluding the test he is currently playing in, which he scored another century) Dravid (126 innings) has scored 6818 at an average of 61.42 with 17 centuries and 34 half centuries.... Malik... according to Statsguru on Cricinfo has never batted at no.3 ??? which in effect rules him out of this argument of the best 1st down.... Anyway, with the stats above for ponting and dravid, both are equally fantastic players and as i said before, a pretty much inseperable except for 1 thing... the fact that ponting has the ability to change the game in an instant and can take any bowling attack in the world apart... or by the same token batten down the hatches if required (his 156 in the ashes, 103 in the current test against SA, and 104 from 290 balls against a WI attack including Walsh and Ambrose)... but really when it all comes down to it, both are great... it's just a matter of personal preference |
... mines pontingPosted By: vize
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 7:06pm
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Well,without a doubt I think Ponting is the best number 3 who played the game. By the way what position did Sir Donald Bradman bat?
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Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 11:16pm
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i think u may mean.. the best no.3 behind bradman
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 27 March 2006 at 12:17am
Clapo, if you don't mind me saying that YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN DRAVID CHANGE HIS TEMPERAMENT. H e has made 50's in 22 balls. 50 in 40 balles, 50 in 38 balls. He has the ability to bat quickly too. I f you are saying that Ponting changes temperament faster then thats fine by me. But you can't say that Dravid cannot play fast. To be one of the best players in the world you have to be able to play fast. The problem Dravid has is that whehever he has the chance to hit quickly the team suddenly collapses and he has to slow down a little in the end. SAo you can't really say. But you can say that Ponting is a faster player. I agree to that. ------------- |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 27 March 2006 at 11:14am
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i didn't say that dravid didn't have the ability to change his temperament... i know full well he does.. and i know full well he can score quickly in the One day version of the game... my point was in Tests dravid tends to anchor the innings, and you surely must agree that in at least 85% of his test innings he doesn't dominate the bowlers in the same fashion tha ponting does.... he most likely does have the ability, but he rarely shows it in the longer version of the game... as i said though, both are fantastic, 2 of the greatest (big call, but i'm willing to make it, as i beleive both players would have been successful in any era) its just personal preference really |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 27 March 2006 at 11:44am
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Ponting by a country mile, why , because he has the ability to convert 50's into tons..look at that stat 21 100's, 21 50's..Dravid 17 100's 34 50's..not good enough. Dravid applies pressure on his partner, that is why the team collapses, the young guys should be anchoring and Dravid should be taking charge, not the other way around..
The fact taht Ponting can get as many runs as he has and average the same if not higher then Dravid, while still dominating and still getting more runs then that makes him superior..Dravid is defensively excellent, but that is not that handy when you need to keep the runs ticking over and try to share pressure with your partner.
PLUS lately Dravid is shifitng in th ebatting order a great deal. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 27 March 2006 at 11:38pm
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H eshould be consistently no.3 from now on in the ODI's. He should not come down for younger players like Yuvraj. Maybe Dhoni once in a while or maybe Dhoni if has to come up the order in any game can come at no.4. Dravid would have many many many many more runs if e was consistently at no.3. Ganguly had pushed him down when he was captain. Now Dravid is coming back to that spot. We need a basyman like him to anchor the innings if India is in trouble and the best place to anchor is at no.3. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 27 March 2006 at 11:38pm
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That's why he is so successful in that position in the Tests. Beacuse he was consistently there. ------------- |
Posted By: $uNnY
Date Posted: 28 March 2006 at 12:00am
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Ricky Ponting
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Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 28 March 2006 at 6:46am
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yet another century for ponting... he has now scored 557 runs in just 3 test matches this year, awesome effort.... Also he became only the second person ever to score Centuries in both innings of a test match on 3 occasions.... he has also scored 1238 runs in his 9 test matches since last years ashes series... 7 centuries & 5 half-centuries included... in doing so he has also moved up to fifth on the all-time test century makers list.. these stats alone surely must convince all of you that he is without a doubt the best no.3 and best batsman in the world.... |
Posted By: opc10
Date Posted: 29 March 2006 at 2:30am
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Forget number 3s. Ponting IS the best batsmen of the ERA. That includes Lara, Tendaulkar, Richards, Chappell,etc.... When all the arguments subside about quality of opposition, how they look, technique, etc. The only true indicator is averages. And i mean averages against countries that can actually play cricket... His average is comparable with Tendaluker, Dravid and Kallis(All up around the mid 50s). However, look at Tendaulker, Kallis and Dravid's averages against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. That combines with the number of innings played against these minnows, has bumped their averages up by app. 2-4. Conversely, ponting has played only a couple of innings against both countries with a surprisingly modest average. Take out averages against these 2 countries and Pontings still stands at around 58, whilst the others drop back down to about 52-53. |