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Flintoff vs. Kallis

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Topic: Flintoff vs. Kallis

Posted By: cricket_mstr
Subject: Flintoff vs. Kallis
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 10:39am

Okay I'd admit the last thread proved thatmaybe Flintoff is a better player (at least alrounder).

So how about a real alrouder, recently Kallis entered the top 3 batsman in the world with stats like this:

Kallis

Batting
Runs: Test 7776, ODI 7995
Average: Test 56.7, ODI 43,92
Bowling
Overs he takes to get a wicket: Test 11.3, ODI 6.6
Economy: Test 2.79, ODI 4.82

Flintoff

Batting

Runs: Test 3080, ODI 2642

Average: Test 33.47, ODI 35.22

Bowling

Overs he takes to get a wicket: Test 10.50, ODI 5.96

Economy: Test 2.99, ODI 4.39

Is it true Kallis has never played a match against England with Flintoff in it, Stats guru doesn't have him

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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 10:50am

sigh...comparison threads so lame

Kallis better batsman, Flintoff better bowler

You can close this one now mods, thanks

Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 11:00am

Averages prove kallis to be better but recently Flintoff has come of age , and he has become the most dependable bowler in english side but has lost on his batting a little bit. I think if we can have a comparison of last 12 months performance it would be evenly matched. So not much to chose between them.

Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 11:03am

The recent english upserge is mainly becos of Flintoff being so dependable where as in a few of south african wins Kallis role was far from desired. I think flintoff is more valuable for england compared to Kallis for SA.

Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 11:21am

if it was better allrounder then flintoff it better player kallis

Posted By: cricket_mstr
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 11:30am

He should be captain Kallis, for once I'd like to see SA win to kick Smith out of the leading role.

One thing Flintoff does have over Kallis is the fielding department

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Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 11:34am

and bowling

Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 1:32pm

Kick Smith out? No, Smith is a great captain. He has great leadership skills, greater than Kallis's.

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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 2:22pm

Originally posted by cricket_mstr

He should be captain Kallis, for once I'd like to see SA win to kick Smith out of the leading role.

You don't back off do you lad? Kallis as captain , is as much use as a chocolate fireguard!! Even his own coach says he goes into a world of his own and no-one hears a squeak from him!!

Now tell me why Kallis has the attributes of a captain and why Smith is so , so bad.

Finally (yawn) Clobs is right again , Kallis better batsman , Flintoff better bowler.

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Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 12:28am

yes i agree, khalis is the better batsman while flintoff is the better bowler

Posted By: cricket_mstr
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 2:59am

If Smith is so good as captain why haven't SA won a test match against Australia?

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Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 3:46am

a captain can't do much if his team doesn't back him up....

Posted By: qasi
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 11:36am

Well both kalis and flintoff are wonderful not only with the bat but with the ball also so i can only wish to watch them playing for long time without any competition.

Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 05 April 2006 at 10:19pm

I beg your pardon cricket_mstr

Kallis is one of the best slip fielders in South African history! He has more catches than Jonty Rhodes!

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JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat.

Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 06 April 2006 at 6:20am

Quite right Bokkie (and welcome back!) , Kallis is rock solid in the slip cordon.

He surprised me in the final test as well. Lots of consultancy with the senior guys and I thought he bowled beautifully - as good as I've seen from him in many a year.

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Posted By: Jacob Oram Fan
Date Posted: 14 June 2008 at 6:30pm

Kallis is the best overall best allrounder, true that Flitoff is the better bowler, and him better bats man, ok the word better is an understatemnt for the two. But in general Kallis is the best all rounder.