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Topic: Heavy or light bats - the pro’s?
Posted By: chris E
Subject: Heavy or light bats - the pro’s?
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 8:02pm

I know there are quite a few people in the know on this board and I was wondering if any of these people know of any pro's who use either a really heavy or a really light bat?  Weights and name would be interesting to know as I wonder whether a batman's size and strength particulary corolates to the weight of the bat he chooses (I know it doesn't in Tendulker's case!)

As for myself I prefer 2.9 to 2.10.




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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 8:11pm
One's I've read or seen;

Flintoff 2'8
Pietersen 2'9
Ponting 2'9/2'10 (will use 2'11 in one dayers though)
Hayden 2'10

In fact most of the guys I've seen talking about their bats are in that range. I must admit I was astonished about Hayden as I just always assumed he would use something the size of a railway sleeper.


Posted By: chris E
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 10:12pm

The Flintoff and Pieterson weights suprise me somwhat.  As for your mention of Hayden and the railway sleeper...I'm still chuckling away of the thought of it! 

The reason why I posted this topic was basically out of curiousity as being quite a big guy (6ft 2) I have never got on with the heavier bats, even though some people seem amazed that I prefer the lighter bats (just because of my size and strength).  My last bat was 2lb 13 (i chose it to experiment a bit with a heavier bat) but after a few months i had 3oz taken off as the weight impeded my shot selection (even though we are only talking about 3oz it made such a difference). 



Posted By: MrLee
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 6:35am
Actually, most international players use 2'9. Hayden uses a 2'9. Clarke uses a 2'9. So does Ponting. Langer uses 2'8.5. Langer actually used to use a 2'6 bat!! But it grew in weight over the years. Not many players use a bat over 2'10 nowdays. I think this could be of the bat speed etc.


Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 8:34am

I agree with most of your comments.Andrew Flintoff's bats have been as light a 2/6 although 2/8 is more normal.Having talked to a few county lads 2/8,2/9 seems an optimum weight for quicker pitches.I have played lots of times at places like Old Trafford(10 times).Liverpool,which is a satellite county ground for Lancs and Southport which is the same setup as Liverpool and they tend to be much harder quicker tracks than you get at your local club.At OT in particular it would be easy for a medium pace bowler to " go through" you early in your innings .Even a slow track there is much quicker than a normal club wicket,unless you're lucky enough to play at somewhere like Kidderminster which is awesome ( maybe better than New Road!!)Hence the requirement for a meaty bat with a light pickup.There are always exceptions to this,Adam Hollioake used a nearly 3lb blade and was comfortable front and back foot.I suppose it depends on your eye and how quickly you pick up length.Be aware also that county guys, in club cricket very often use heavier bats,to counteract slower pitches.The England guys in India had their bats made with lower middles for the typical slowish sub continental ,non bouncing tracks!

Cheers guys,

Mark.

 



Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 7:17pm
Most pros don't do there bat by weight, they do it by pick up


Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 7:38pm
ive seen greame smiths bat, which is very heavy, don't exactly, but more than 2-10, and gibbs bat is very light, about 2-6


Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 7:53pm

Warne In Making,

most pros have an idea of the weight they prefer to use.I've played with enough of them to know !It goes without saying pickup is important.Most of the bat suppliers will know what type,profile,weight,pickup their endorsees like to use.I know some have slow wicket bats and quick wicket bats as well.For instance Ian Austin ex England and Lancs used a 2/8 Slaz for county and International cricket and a 3 pound BDM inclub cricket when he was playing as a sub pro which a lot of the County lads do week in week out.

Mark.



Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 8:57pm
Cheers Mark


Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 7:49am

Hey Warney,

no probs mate.

Cheers,

Mark.



Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 10:01am
Well, i personally, could use a 3lb bat if the pick up was right. Im not too botherd about the weight - just needs a good pick up for going through my shots


Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:06am

I once used a 3 pound G and M and found I could drive like a demon,but struggled to play square of the wicket back foot shots off the quicks.Thesedays I think the profile of the bats are getting so huge that it is quite possible to get a massive bat that weighs as little as 2/8,2/9 and picks up like a feather.As an older player now that would be my preference.

Cheers,

Mark.



Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:36am
I don't play too much into the off side off the backfoot, i usually whack is straight back at them or pull/hook it from outside of the off stump


Posted By: batman100
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:57am

 

Hi guys i think those players that are interested in weights and sizes of bats should think 'Density' that is, the ratio of the mass of a substance to its volume?

 

 Bill



Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 9:43pm
I don't follow bill. I follow the physics bit, but what do they pros do about density?


Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 3:40am
ive heard tendulkar carries a very heavy bat


Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 9:56am
yeah 2-14


Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:41am

Warney,

I've personally talked to Bill about this and he explains it thus.Pro willow clefts generally weigh less than grade one clefts.The wood is therefore more dense.At say a weight of 2/8 the bat made from pro choice willow will be a bigger bat than the grade one bat,simple physics really.That's why you often see test players in particular with huge pieces of wood .They are actually no heavier than the bats we can buy "off the shelf" in the local sports shop!!

Cheers,

Mark.

 



Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 1:11pm
Yeah, i know and understand that, i just got cinfused in his wording


Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 1:00am

Big Guys generally use lighter bats because they generate power from their strength and body weight.

Small guys use heavy bats because they have less body weight into the shot a heavier bat can help them with their timing.

Tendulkar use to a bat around 3 lbs i think he's gone lighter now due to a back injury (note: heavy bats do put extra strain on the back). The heaviest i've heard of in the international scene was Lance Klusenar i think he used a 3.2

Anyone know how heavy Dhoni's bat is? Cuz i heard he uses a pretty heavy stick.



Posted By: henjam
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 8:33am
yer i heard that two, not sure the weight, when i went to see 20/20 final coupl eof years ago, adam hollioake was using a bat weighing 3lb 4! and as far as i can remember he got hardly any runs with it


Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 10:25am
i know that a low density wood would produce a bigger bat, but could someone explain to me how this improves the performace?


Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 10:34am
As the bat is thicker - you get more middle for your money, and more power


Posted By: batman100
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 11:44am

 

 Simon think Mass!



Posted By: henjam
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 11:53am
so bill what affects the weight of a cleft? moisture content? also does the number of grains effect the weight of a cleft at all or is it linked?


Posted By: batman100
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 11:56am

 

 3 questions at £5 per question= £15?

 

Poor Bill



Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 1:33pm

what you mean by mass? 2 bats could have the same mass but one would be bigger, as it has lower density, but how does this affect the performace? as ive seen bats close to the gray-nicolls scoop that still have good middles!



Posted By: batman100
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 2:15pm

 

Simon,mass as in volume,with regard to the scoop not too many be made now is there??

 

Bill



Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 2:43pm
fair point, im simply wondering what actually makes a bat hit the ball further? i.e. why the bigger less dense bat hits it further than the dense bat


Posted By: batman100
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 4:05pm

 

 Simon ,if you had a very big bat ie big volume but very dense and hard,it would go as well as a middle size to small top quality,well pressed bat.thats the wrong way round ,but you know what i mean.

Nothing beats a good light weight ,7 to 10 or more grains,a good bit of meat in the middle and about 2-9/10 with a good pick up.now if that is grades 1 2 3 or whatever then thats ok,it is that you have more of a chance with the higher grades,any way it gives us some thing to discuss.

 

Bill



Posted By: Fordy4
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 11:59pm

Hi, I have asked Andrew Flintoff myself in person wot Weight of the bat he uses and it is 2.9-2.10oz he told me any lighter or heavier and his timimg would be F*u*k*d Very funny :)



Posted By: mazzybabe.uk
Date Posted: 17 April 2006 at 4:23pm
They pick they're bats by pick up something could way 2lb 11oz and feel very light No suprise gibbs' bats are light he likes to touch things into gaps 


Posted By: doosoogly
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 3:07pm

i wanted to get a bat 2lb 4( in LH), the 'st george' from choice willow. Would it be crap?



Posted By: henjam
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 4:46pm
mite be a bit thin Very funny, ive seena few of those bats as they are based fairly near me i think, they look nice, but i think when your asking for a bat weighing 2lb 4, in a full size blade and long handle, don't expect a massive amount of wood Very funny


Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 22 April 2006 at 1:42am

hi bill i emailed you about a custom fusion bat but you havent got back to me, if you could check your emails and contact me as soon as possible that be great. might get a custom millichamp and hall solution new graphics for 2006 looks great has a large low middle perfect for driving on english wickets. undecided i know what the guys on this forum would suggest think there all on bills payroll Very funny. just kidding they must be good bats. deffinetly going to get one of them cant wait to use it.

currently got a vampire test selection 2lb 10 oz perfect balance picks up like 2lb 8oz and a specially made vampire explorer cant buy in shops 2lb 9oz massive profile middle twice the size as test selection beautiful balance and pickup.



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Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 22 April 2006 at 8:14am

Hi Hanif,If you need to contact Bill urgently then it would probably be better to give him a call.Having been down this week to visit Bill and James I found them very busy with a lot of bats to get through.Having tried a couple of these bats in the indoor net they have set up with proper hard cricket balls,I can assure you they are very worthy of consideration.Cosmetically,and aesthetically you could argue that there are other "better" bats,but in the crucial area of performance,pickup and balance Fusion must be up there with the very best.I am not on the payroll or sponsored by Fusion,my comments are my view only,backed by 25 seasons as a top order batsman in top first team league cricket,and the ownership of a great many cricket bats.

Cheers,hope this helps,

Mark.

 

 

 



Posted By: Shoaib_UK
Date Posted: 22 April 2006 at 9:32am
Yeh Hanif, call them up they are real busy, I know cos I have been trying but then got through to James who is a top bloke.

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Posted By: batman100
Date Posted: 22 April 2006 at 11:22am

 Hi Hanif,

 

    As said we are very busy,but if care to ring us we will speak to you.

Our no is 01270256120 anytime.

 

Thanks

 



Posted By: stroke master
Date Posted: 22 April 2006 at 4:38pm

hi bill, are most of your bats made with high middles, i would like a bat with a midd to low middle.

 

can you custom make bats with midd to low middles? and still have large profiles, as i have heared. i kinda bat like strauss or bell, what kind of profile could you recommend for me?




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