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Topic: Initial trigger movement
Posted By: Shoaib_UK
Subject: Initial trigger movement
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 2:56pm

Always an interesting discussion. I've read heaps about it, most recently in Greg Chappell's book and also in Don Bradman's The Art of Cricket.

Anyway, it is important to me because as an opening batsman playing a reasonably high standard of club cricket, I regularly have to face quick bowlers.

I've tried the different styles (even though it is something that should come naturally) i.e.

1) plant foot across sub-continental style, and look to attack;
2) back and across for perfect balance as in chappellway
3) Stay dead still and have no trigger movement at all.

Both 1) and 2) can come to me naturally with practice. I've had problems with 1) with quick left armers swinging the ball in and getting lbw though.

Bob Woolmer actually recommends the front foot plant as opposed to back and across.

What does everyone else think?



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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:38pm
I've been using a back and across movement combined with a forward press for a while but during nets this winter I've noticed it is closing me off and making leg side shots really difficult so I need to work on that a bit as stopping after the initial back and across movement leaves me feeling exposed


Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 4:15pm

ive started a new one that originated from watching kallies, ab devilliers and boeta dippenaar, i find dippenaars one very comfortable and have basicallyh adopted it, but funny thing is it feel like his to me, but actually looks slightly different!

if i were you i would give micheal vuaghans one a go, nice and comfy, but doesnt suit me as ive always had slightly lower hands than most people



Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 4:16pm
what is the movement you make?


Posted By: Shoaib_UK
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 4:25pm

I've tried Michael Vaughans and yes it is nice and comfy but I find that I am not in complete control of off and cover drives for some reason. I like to get really in line and feel in control.

I think sometimes against slow medium bowlers it is easy to get wound up with trigger movements when in reality if your in you can play even a medium pacer rather like a spinner - i.e. wait and play naturally even without trigger movements.



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Posted By: cricko
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 7:46pm
I didn't even know that I had a real trigger movement until I watched myself batting on a video a couple of months ago. I start with quite an open stance and I go slightly back and then forward, and I always thought I stood pretty much still. You should just do what you have always done and what feels comfortable to you.


Posted By: Warne in making
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 7:49pm
Same here cricko


Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 7:55pm

fair enough what cricko says, but my trigger helps me, especially against the quicks, before hand i used the aussie style of automatically moving forward, and if its short than going back and playing the pull, where as now, so long as the trigger is timed right, i either go forward or back, not one then the other, which means i have alot more time than i used to!

against a couple quickes that before it was simply trying getting bat on ball, but now i can pull, cover drive etc with out feeling rushed as i can now make my decision earlier,

i think people should try new things such as triggers, different bowling grips types of bats etc, as like me you might find one that seems to change your game alot!



Posted By: stroke master
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:43pm

i don't use a trigger movement but i don't know if i should or not. when not playing properly, i have tried moving my back foot across and then front foot forward, like one of my mates does. he plays really well with it.

i find that when i do that, as i tried it out in the nets once, i cant play off the legs that well.

 

do they take time getting used to, ive only tried it once.

 

i do, do it when i practise in front of a mirror and it feels fine, i feel its better than standing still and no trigger at all, but when i tried it in the nets, it was hard.

 

do you think i should try it more frequently and then make my desicion?



Posted By: Shoaib_UK
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:11pm

I think colts don't need to worry too much about trigger movements, purely because the pace of bowling they tend to face does not necessitate trigger movements to help timing/footwork.

I don't mean to sound patronising, and I accept that even in colts cricket there can be nippy bowlers around.

Main thing is that batting should be natural without conciously thinking about trigger movements etc whilst playing a shot. Best thing is to practice, practice and practice and make plenty of mistakes in the nets.



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Posted By: eddyc_solid
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 4:29am

I have adopted the ricky ponting movement,well atleast im trying to



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Posted By: eddyc_solid
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 4:31am
i think i can bowl around 125-130 max maybe more

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Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 11:19am
Ricky Ponting's trigger movement is natural to me. It gets me runs and its perfect.


Posted By: Shoaib_UK
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 1:08pm

Originally posted by eddyc_solid

i think i can bowl around 125-130 max maybe more

wow. how old are you thats pretty impressive



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Posted By: eddyc_solid
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:18am
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Posted By: eddyc_solid
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:20am
thats at my fastest i can only bowl a few that fast it really takes it out of you being 6ft 2 helps

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Posted By: Shoaib_UK
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:54pm
Just out of interest, did u get it measured by speed gun or is it just an estimation based on watching international matches or how far back the keeper stands?

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Posted By: eddyc_solid
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 1:02pm

estimation i don't have a gun Very funny

 



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Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 1:47pm
If you have a strong upper built (chest, shoulder areas) then you should be able to bowl above 110kph. My stock delivery reads at 125kph but if I try to bowl faster, I get it around the 138kph mark.


Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 1:53pm
Bull,, you told me 95 kph,, YOU LIE!!

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Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 1:55pm
It was a faulty speed ball... As you know, not all SpeedBalls are accurate.

This time I got it measured properly.


Posted By: lost_mullet
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 2:51pm

My movement is stand there and just move back lift from 2nd slip to 1st to get ready, works for me and was selected for state a few years back none of this fancy stuff, cricket is simple when you think about it, its a ball coming at you and you hit it.

It worked for jason gillespie he didn't even look like a cricketer.



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Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 6:29pm

i prefer to stay still when facing a bowler. However as you say sometimes you can come across nippy bowlers and in these circrumstances i have brian lara type knees bent then into a half jump. I wasnt trying to emulate lara this is just the movement that came to me once in the nets and ever since i've been using it.

I tried the Inzi sub continent style shuffle across to the off stump and i also tried the back across movement that a lot of professional cricketers use. However i didn't like either of them as i found it harder to judge the line of the ball compared to batting dead still. Also the back across can have you in trouble on english pitches with variable bounce as if one keeps low you might be trapped lbw.



Posted By: skip_eng
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:56am
vaughans is natural and gets a nice solid base established!

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Posted By: screaming cat
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 3:49am

initial trigger movements were introduced for people who shuffle at the crease or who have trouble playing back foot deliveries. Some people just do it because they feel more comfortable getting on their toes before the bowler comes in. personally i just stand still like matty hayden. But nowadays i see most people who use the trigger movement fall across the line of the ball and get LBW alot. the trigger movement makes some players heads fall outside the line of the ball. thats my critism of it all. but hay, at the end of the day its what you feel comfortable doing.



Posted By: screaming cat
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 3:51am
a still head is the key


Posted By: darlo_lad
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:15am
My initial trigger movement has just changed to the forward press. The reason for this is that currently wickets in England are quite low so front foot is essential.


Posted By: mazzybabe.uk
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:10am
this may change next season but last season the rule was some one can't be out lbw if they are on the front foot so my intial trigger movement is to go forward

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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:21am
where was that a rule?


Posted By: mazzybabe.uk
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:46am
Australia anyway hope they get rid of it useless rule

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Posted By: darlo_lad
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:07pm
You can't be out LBW if you are playing on the front foot? What kind of a rule is that one?


Posted By: minimurali
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 4:32pm

Originally posted by mazzybabe.uk

this may change next season but last season the rule was some one can't be out lbw if they are on the front foot so my intial trigger movement is to go forward

 I never saw this?!



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Posted By: quicky
Date Posted: 30 April 2006 at 11:09pm
as i live in england and pitches here arent the best for bounce i stay still but plant my weight and my foot slightly forward, as then if i see a short ball i am still in a gd position to play it but most of them are full so my balance and feet are in a gd place.


Posted By: quicky
Date Posted: 30 April 2006 at 11:10pm
but because i am not a great leg side player first wen i start my guard is leg stump so them i can never got out lbw do have a few probs with leaving the ball though


Posted By: rohan_d03
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:28pm
my trigger movements are all wrong at the moment i really havent given them much thought untill saturday when a friend told me that i move my back foot to the leg side. i was bowled on leg stump on saturday and it makes sense as my trigger movements are wrong. i need to sort it out but it seems so hard as they just come naturally and you dont always realise what you are doing.


Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 6:51am
I've changed my trigger movement, so it looks like Sachin Tendulkar's. It's coming along great and its getting me into a better position to play the stroke.

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Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 10:07am
i didn't think he had one recently? i dont remember seeing one against england! what was it?


Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 10:08am
his trigger movement was where he took guard then promptly walked back to the pavilion 


Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 11:40am
I'm not much use at balls coming in at my pads so I stand out side legstump and then move back and across to middle and off. I don't get out lbw anymore but I do have troubles trying to hit widish ball on the off side towards the end of an innings. Do you think moving my stance from out side leg to middle and off will help for end of innings crisis?

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Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 11:41am
I don't think graham Gooch had a trigger action. Just stood there and gave the ball a good spanking.

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Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by crick

i didn't think he had one recently? i dont remember seeing one against england! what was it?


During the 03' World Cup. That one seems to be working for me.


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Posted By: mazzybabe.uk
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by The CCC

I'm not much use at balls coming in at my pads so I stand out side legstump and then move back and across to middle and off. I don't get out lbw anymore but I do have troubles trying to hit widish ball on the off side towards the end of an innings. Do you think moving my stance from out side leg to middle and off will help for end of innings crisis?
  maybe move your front foot slightly forward only slightly and have your foot pointing to the covers

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Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 6:13pm
Thanks mazzybabe, I'll try it next time I have a chance:)


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Posted By: Monty_Mo
Date Posted: 04 June 2006 at 12:36pm

my initial trigger movement has been banished....

during the winter season i decided on the shuffel, thats the start outside leg and move into position, a lil like chanderpaul. feels comfortable and lets you get into a good position on a ball that is not swinging...first game of the season was hellish i was bowled around my legs . now i dont have any trigger movements i wait for the ball to come to me. but if its spin bowling i like to get to the pitch as best i can.....

trigger movements are good for aggressive batsman, unlike me who likes to take it easy and pick my balls....



Posted By: cricketbuddy
Date Posted: 13 November 2010 at 4:47am

Instead of the intial movement of moving your back foot back, I move my front foot forward. It looks a bit like ricky ponting and it works quite well for playing drives.Try it



Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 21 November 2010 at 12:52am
The problem I have with moving the front foot forward is I lose balance, it requires some practice to perfect it.

I usually do the back and across. I used to watch Dravid and Kallis a lot in the past year and kind of got it from them. I tried Pietersen's too but you feel very conscious of the movements.


Posted By: Hammond
Date Posted: 22 November 2010 at 10:48am
I bat on leg and then just as the bowler enters his delivery stride take a small forward press onto middle and a waist high back-lift. Made all the difference spanked a 50 last year in a semi-final with two straight sixes.. never hit a straight six in my life- harder to play the leg glance but the drives are much easier and I can still hook- I can live with that.

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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:10am

Due to the ridiculously crappy wickets, it seems that I no longer can flick a ball off my pads because everything just stays down low the time I go in to bat.  Just 4 years ago, anything on my pads was accumulated runs to my name, usually dispatched for 4!!  Can't even remember the last time I got one single run from a flick off the pads.  I got to be more on the lookout for balls staying low and trapping me lbw.  Man, I'd give anything to migrate off to bouncier pitches so I can bat the way I use to.



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