A new Type of Spin
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Topic: A new Type of Spin
Posted By: fishcake14
Subject: A new Type of Spin
Date Posted: 11 May 2006 at 6:02pm
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Hi everyone. I am 14 and play for the national level at my age group. Over the past few months I worked on a new type of ball, which when bowled correctly, can do 4 different things. Have topsin, backspin, legspin or offspin on it. It is called HIPPY SPIN. The ball's held between the biggest finger and the pinky (with the ball resting on the ring finger). Clench your fist then move up the 2 fingers stated above, it will become more clear then! I don't know how it gets the different spin on it, it just does! If anyone could tell me just post it on the site. If anyone wants help with bowling spin, just send me a message. Thanks. ------------- |
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Posted By: warnester
Date Posted: 11 May 2006 at 6:15pm
| i have absouloutly no idea how you do that |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 11 May 2006 at 8:52pm
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Well mate, from what you have posted there, I am sure its the slider. Cause you said clench the fist which I guess means like to cock it back. Then you said move up the 2 fingers stated which means to flick the wrist up in the air so the ball comes out from the front of the hands (palm to batsman and back of the hands to your face) or under the palm. And to be even more positive its the slider, the slider bounce extra when bowled a little short. The slider also has backspin on it which makes it skid on at times. It comes out as a leggy when the wrist faces more to slips are it is not properly released. It may gain offspin when released properly as shane warne own does to a left hander mainly because of the wrist position to leg slip. Fishcake14, can you do a slider? ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 12 May 2006 at 3:44am
good one ill try it out today to see whether it works for me although i dont have any idea on how it works  ------------- |
Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 12 May 2006 at 9:25pm
I just LOVE your sense of names 
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 6:57pm
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So you're sayin that it is only the slider, spin wizard? Well, I guess i can!
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 8:40pm
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Hey dips december, did it work? ------------- |
Posted By: cricket_mstr
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 10:05am
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Even if it is the slidder, its your slidder and stick to its name, 'hippy spin' ------------- Cricket watcher but tennis player :) |
Posted By: mazzybabe.uk
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 10:42am
yeah why hippyspin anyway fishcake? does it act stoned or something ------------- The First Century I ever saw was Heschelle Gibbs' 228 against Pakistan |
Posted By: crownmethod
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 10:56am
I love the name ------------- |
Posted By: ahses winners!
Date Posted: 02 June 2006 at 11:08am
| My word! Very funny cant you call it slider unknown something like that so know one knows about it therefore its still a mystery Very funny. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 02 June 2006 at 5:01pm
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Well, that's the idea ashes winners! It is a mysterious ball. Did you like the name? ------------- |
Posted By: Ck_spin
Date Posted: 03 June 2006 at 4:38pm
| Hi, mate. I bowl the same kind of spin as you!! But it only does topspin, backspin and legspin. I have no idea how you get it to go offspin. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 03 June 2006 at 8:59pm
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WOW!!!!!!! I thought i was the only one ck spin! I just move my wrist in the direction for offspin. Do you hold the ball with the same grip? ------------- |
Posted By: Ck_spin
Date Posted: 04 June 2006 at 8:44pm
| Yes, exactly the same but i also use my palm to support the ball. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 09 June 2006 at 6:45pm
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Hi ck How do you bowl your topspinner with your grip? ------------- |
Posted By: ahses winners!
Date Posted: 10 June 2006 at 10:08am
| wat team you play for fishcake? |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 10 June 2006 at 4:29pm
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I play for Kinross Cricket Club and for my school, Dollar Academy, and I am also in the Scotland squad. What about you? ------------- |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 10 June 2006 at 4:33pm
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 10 June 2006 at 6:23pm
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Yeh. Nothing would have to change.
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Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 19 June 2006 at 5:56am
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it did not work ,mate i tried hard , ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 20 June 2006 at 7:13pm
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oh well!! ------------- |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 5:01am
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your signature is pretty interesting can u name the 14 deliveries i hope it does not include no balls and wides
but do i have to do anything different? can u give me a video as to how you are gripping the ball? ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 7:15pm
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Right. They are: Offspinner, Ripper, Hippy Spin, Doosra, Hilly Goldfish Spin, Slipper, Spaceship, Spider, Tornado, Drifter, Arrow, Legspinner, Flipper and the Exorcist. No, I don't have a video. Have you been on my website? ------------- |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 11:28am
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Except the normal ones can u explain the others ,no i have not been to your website ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 7:29pm
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Well, if you go there you'll find out about most of them. That will save me having to explain them all! The address is: http://www.freewebs.com/fishcakeahmed14 - www.freewebs.com/fishcakeahmed14
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Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 25 June 2006 at 6:35am
| thanks mate i got it |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 25 June 2006 at 10:58am
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cool ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 27 June 2006 at 4:52pm
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wat did u think of the website? Is there anything that needs reviewed?
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Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 27 June 2006 at 5:19pm
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na its ok at the moment mate ------------- |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 12 August 2006 at 9:36pm
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all these variations are fantastic, but is there really any point in them, surley all a great leg spinner needs in good leggy, a top spinner slider or flipper, and a googly. rather that all these fancy hippy balls and whatever ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 4:03pm
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I said in another thread...and i dont mean to have a go...But from what i can read on the forum, Fishcake seems more interested in coming up with unspetacular names for every variation in flight and bounce than focussing on the simple art of off-spin. If i named all my "variations" i would have 100s of them. "Oh look that ball kept low abit, i'll call it "the crawler" and another ball bounced abit more so i'll call that "the destructacator" for it's wicket taking traits. perhaps im being harsh ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:16pm
Fair enough, it's your opinion. Don't feel harsh about it. ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:24pm
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Eventually batsmen will be able to pick you, so if you have a''different'' ball which they have never seen before then they will struggle and probably lose their wicket. Like Murali's new backspinner. ------------- |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:37pm
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yeh i can understand, but surley that will only be the case in test matches where the batsmen has enought time to start picking deliveries? ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:08pm
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Don't get me wrong, bowlers have their variations. Perhaps the only difference between say mine and yours is that you name them? Having read my own post i feel i gave the impression that it really grieves me that you have all these variations and various names for them. Thats not true, it's just the impression i get from reading a few posts on a forum which certainly cannot give me an idea of your bowling. Chances are that you are a very good bowler and can bowl these variations effectively. In which case i should shut up ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:14pm
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yeh i get what your saying TCA, in nets i think everyone tries different things, either to trick the batsmen, or just to see what happens. but like you i dont name these "variations" ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:23pm
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I have a few variations i use frequently in the nets now but only a few i would use in a match situation at this currently time. 1. Off Break These aren't my particular variations, just traditional Off Spin deliveries which i am trying to learn. I have tried gripping the ball in strange ways and doing all sorts of things in a search for something different but as of yet, i haven't found anything greatly exciting like Fishcake's "hippy spin" so he calls it. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:28pm
| Fishcake, can you bowl the doosra without bending your arm, as i have tried many times and cannot bow it with a straight arm! (how do you do it?) |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:31pm
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I can't even do it with a bent arm. I'd love to be able to master it. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:33pm
| So would i but im not sure its actually possible without bending your arm, unless you have jellly wrists or something! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:34pm
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Well Murali has the extra flexible wrist. Harbajhan bowls it but i haven't sene exactly how in slow mo. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:42pm
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[QUOTE=XNDR]Fishcake, can you bowl the doosra without bending your arm? Well, yes and no! I don't bowl ''conventional'' offspin, I bowl googlies. So, technically my doosra would be a legspinner. Yes and no! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:42pm
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so u bowl leg spin basically. Except you prefer googlies to ur normal leg break Wierd ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:44pm
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thats interesting, i suppose if you bowl googlies then, you have more options in terms of variations that look similar !?
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Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:46pm
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by the way, TCA (no rhyme intended) harbajan's doosra doesent actually spin much at all, its more of a topspinner from what ive seen.
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:50pm
Spot on! Does that make hippy spin more sensible or do you still think it's crazy?! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:55pm
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Crazy.... I've seen harbajan's doosra and it more straightens than moves away drastically but still very useful. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:00pm
Watch this clip, i think the guy clearly bends his arm, but as long as it doesent straighten its legal  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5123089734212622637 - |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:04pm
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Nope, that's about as legal as mass murder. But still pretty awesome. I think they should just leave the whole bendy-arm doosra thing alone. They should give the people who invented it some credit. ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:05pm
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XNDR, how many cricket teams are there in Guernsey?
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:06pm
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I think bend should be allowed for the doosra. Why not allow innovations like this? The whole bendy arm thing was to prevent fast bowlers from gaining extra speed. On in this recent decade has it been more applied to spinners. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:13pm
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Loads! Even though there are only 65 thousand people, on the island, there are six divisions and, numerous leagues with each club having b, c , d.. teams.
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Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:15pm
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I think there are actually 30 clubs.
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:17pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kS3_OKSx94 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kS3_OKSx94 Watch the end of that then for doosra bowling, incredible stuff. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: XNDR
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:22pm
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***INCREDIBLE*** ------------- Vote on the Best gn bat poll NOW :) |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 11:33am
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30! Which one do you play for?
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 4:50pm
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Thanks god none of you are in the ICC body !! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 10:09pm
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take it your anti doosra spin wizard? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 10:30pm
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fishcake14, you look like the next Murli. ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 2:53pm
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Thank you, Dravid Fan! Was that a joke? ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:07pm
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what level do you play at fishcake? Club level or higher? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:30pm
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I play for Scotland, which is the highest level. I also play club cricket for Kinross. What level are you at?
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:32pm
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i don't play at a level mate. I just play for my local club. But i practice in the nets like 4 times a week for 6 hours or so at a time so i like to think i'm a good player ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:33pm
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Fair enough. Do you not want to play at a higher level? Or do you just play for the fun of it? ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:34pm
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I play to get enjoyment and become the best player possible. I suppose it's yes to both. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:36pm
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That's probably the best way!
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:38pm
are you going to be at the world cup then  ?------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:40pm
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Nah, not me! I have complete faith that they will be knocked out in the first round, they have Australia in their group. They can't even beat county teams like Durham (sorry if you like Durham!) ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:46pm
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I'm a complete county neutral! But i support Essex very loosely... ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 2:30pm
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Not really but I don't like the idea of changing the rules so one can bowl the doosra by chucking it. Its silly you know Maybe you can master the top spinner out of the back of the hands because they are nearly similar (doosra). I notice that saqlain use to flight his toppies a lot but thats what you have to do with them because they dip in flight. Do you have the toppy in your armoury TCA. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 2:41pm
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I bowl my off break with alot of top spin so i would say i do. But i can't get it to continue straight on, i can get it to bounce more. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 3:54pm
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Thats typical for an offy cause I use to bowl offies and I never gotten my top spinner to go straight on. It just turn and bounced a lot. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 7:36pm
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I've tried really turning the wrist around so the wrist faces square leg and i end up really throwing so i have to settle for turn and bounce. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Boydie
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 7:59pm
| Fishcakes what Scotland Age group do you play in? Don't recognise your name and i know most of the Scotland squad, i'm in the East of Scotland U14 squad as the reserve keeper, play for Carlton aswell, think i played your lot last season, do you play with the Ross brothers? |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 23 August 2006 at 2:11pm
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Just thought I'd mention it while the subject was about, does ball tampering affect spin or is it just reverse swing? I AM NOT SAYING INZY OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PAKISTANI TEAM CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 23 August 2006 at 2:47pm
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both of them. Drift for the spinner will get easier. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 23 August 2006 at 5:52pm
No I was seriuos. ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 6:18pm
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Cool. Thanks!!
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 6:51pm
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You should try and make it to the World Cup then people will notice you you know. You could decive Tendulkar with your spaceship or spider or something. ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 7:00pm
Cheers Dravid Fan! I think I'm a bit young, but it would be nice!  ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 7:10pm
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Tendulkar made it to his team at 16. Why don't you try and do some chamathkar(magic). ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 7:24pm
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Lifting the seam can help it spin/bounce more....Fishcake... as well as drift like spin wizard said. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 7:27pm
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cheers TCA!
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 7:29pm
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Sounds like a good idea dips, baffle them with hippy spin. Don't think so, but you never know! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 8:01pm
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Thats the word I was looking for you to give Tendulkar or Ponting as Scotland is with Australia. Hippy Spin. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 8:23pm
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Oh and Tendulkar is bowled, he stands bemused at the crease with all 3 stumps snapped in two. How on earth did the bowler manage that? Hippy spin Very funny ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:16pm
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Good stuff TCA!! I can almost see it happening before my very eyes... ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 28 August 2006 at 6:54pm
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Is hippy spin entirely random or do you control what it does!? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 4:52pm
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It is probably something like 80 per control and 20 per random! It's just that the grip makes it so random!
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 7:23pm
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Fishcake , I am not trying to upset you are anything but its the slider as I said before is your hippy spin . The slider sometimes bounce , hurry on , keeps low , can deviate both ways. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 7:46pm
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Fair enough. But still, it's more fun and inventive than a boring slider, but never mind! ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 10:59pm
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I go to the high school of glasgow. We played you last year. (I was run
out for 2 and didn't bowl because I hadn't started spinning it then.)
Anyway, I don't remember a spin bowler. I do remember your opener who
scored 56 and was the best bowler I've ever seen.
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 4:56pm
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The coach hated me!! That guy would be james ross (the bowler not the coach!) You'll see me next season, I will have a different coach.
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 6:03pm
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Why did he hate you? I thought you played at national level. Surely he would pick you anyway.
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 7:15pm
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i saw a picture of you against durhamU15 getting bowled out. Looked a jaffa. ------------- [ |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:37pm
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YES, IT'S OFFICIAL!! A PERSON WAS CLEANED BOWLED BY HIPPY SPIN THE OTHER DAY (or cleaned bowled by a slider, in spin wiz's case! It came in slightly, the bastman picked a straight one and it went through the gap. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:39pm
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You got the wicket or did you get out. ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:40pm
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I got the wicket!! Hardly anyone else can bowl hippy spin! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:46pm
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Thats great. ------------- |