Who is the Most Valuable Player ?
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Topic: Who is the Most Valuable Player ?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Who is the Most Valuable Player ?
Date Posted: 27 January 2005 at 3:42pm
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Today, the Cricket World MVP Ratings have Muralitharan as the World No1 MVP Test player. I probably agree with that,although, he has not played for several months due to injury. What do you think? |
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Posted By: sporty
Date Posted: 11 March 2005 at 6:22am
| Yes I do think that Muralidharan is the currently the best player even though he has not played for several months due tu injury.But I don't think Mohammed Rafique desrves to be third in the world MVP test rankings.It should rather be Shane Warne, Glen Mcrath, Anil Kumble or Jacques Kallis. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 March 2005 at 11:13am
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Good point,Sporty. However,Rafique has performed against some of the best opposition in the world and that should be taken into consideration, at this time. In the future,his form may change! ------------- |
Posted By: IMRAN
Date Posted: 06 June 2005 at 5:45pm
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MVP in bowling has 2 b Muralitharan without Sri Lanka r nothing. While the MVP in batting has 2 b Inzamam for the reason if he does well Pakistan do good and if he has a bad game Pakistan suffer too. Inzamam has just go a hundred emphasising my point. While in ODI I think its a close call but being an Pakistani fan Shahid Afridi is probably the best all rounder at the moment with bat and ball he is awesome at the moment. A future captain for Pakistan mayb? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06 June 2005 at 5:50pm
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That's nonsense! Afridi? Inzamam? I have to admit my respect for Inzamam has grown but not to that level and Afridi? He's about as inconsistant as the entire Pakistan team collectively! In the literal sense of most valuable player yes Muralitharan is to his team but in that sense Kallis is to his as is Lara to his and so on. If you mean the team MVP then maybe you're right with Inzamam but if you're looking at International ratings Afridi will never feature. |
Posted By: IMRAN
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 9:40pm
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Who what u say r da top ten batsmen in the da world right now. Heres what I think. 1. Brian Lara 2. Ricky Ponting 3. Jacques Kallis 4. Inzamam Ul Haq 5. Rahul Dravid 6. Graeme Smith 7. Matthew Hayden 8. Damien Martyn 9. Yousuf Youhana 10. Virender Sehwag
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Posted By: IMRAN
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 9:43pm
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How about the top ten bowlers. 1. Glenn McGarth 2. Muttiah Murlitharan 3. Shane Warne 4. Shoaib Akhtar 5. Shaun Pollock 6. Chaminda Vaas 7. Brett Lee 8. Ntini 9. Jason Gillespie 10. Shane Bond |
Posted By: IMRAN
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 9:44pm
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Now comes the best all rounders. 1. Shahid Afridi 2. Abdul Razzaq 3. Andrew Flintoff 4. Chris Ga yle 5. Jacob Oram |
Posted By: IMRAN
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 9:47pm
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Finally the best wicket keepers. 1. Adam Gilchrist 2. Kumar Sangakkarra 3. Kamaran Akmal 4. Mark Boucher 5. Brendon Mccullum 6. Geraint Jones 7. Dhoni 8. Courtney Browne |
Posted By: punterscaptain
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 1:12pm
not a bad list although brett lee couldn't get a game for australian for the last 18 months so should kasprowitch (spelling!!$#$) be ahead of him? |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 12:24pm
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No mention in your lists of bowlers of Steve Harmison or Matthew Hoggard?! ------------- Cricket - the game of Life |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:02am
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no mention of Jacques Kallis in ur list of all-rounders.
and even though i am a pakistani fan i don think shahid afridi is the best all rounder, his bowling is okay but his batting is not consistent at all so he can't be best all rounder, and Abdul razzaq was a great all rounder but his bowling has certainly declined. i think Andrew Flintoff is the best all rounder and Kallis is 2nd. flintoff and kallis have some competition for first place but flintoff is better cause he bowls and bats well, kallis hasn't been bowling very well lately. Chris ***le is okay at number 3 and Abdul razzaq should be number 4 and then Jacob Oram should be last. so here's my list of the best all rounders: 1. Andrew Flintoff 2. Jacques Kallis 3. Chris ***le 4. Abdul Razzaq 5. Jacob Oram ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:04am
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i'm srry chris ***le's last names first three letters make an inappropriate word so thats why the letters changed into stars after posted the reply. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:07am
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i don think shahid should in the list of best allrounders at all, he's just not good enough. his batting is very entertaining to watch but it doesn't last very long most of the times so he jus cant be in the list of the best all rounders. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:09am
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srry, i'm missing some words in some of my sentences in my posts so it looks like my vocab is messed up. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 27 August 2005 at 10:42pm
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Just my opinion, but I find that Inzaman is a bit Lazy between the wickets although he has great technique and ability. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 23 September 2005 at 7:16am
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After his heroics this summer , can there be any doubting that Freddie is the world's most valuable player? ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 23 September 2005 at 9:44pm
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True, at this point there is no doubt that Andrew Flintoff deserves to be number one MVP over every other player in internation cricket today, even inzamam cause a big inzamam fan. Andrew Flintoff saved the last match for England, because Australia were somewhere around 277 for 2, when Andrew Flintoff suddenly just ripped Australia's batting order apart. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 24 September 2005 at 12:37am
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First of all, why do people rave on about Andrew Flintoff's performances
as being somehow greater than anything anyone else has ever done? Sure, he took 24 wickets at 26 and 380 runs @ 40, a worthy all-round performance - but if you look at JH Kallis between 1999-2003 you will see that in those 5 years his test batting average was consistently above 50 and his test bowling average was consistently in the mid-20s. This including series-winning efforts in India, the West Indies, Pakistan and New Zealand and South Africa, along with some match-saving performances against Australia. So get some perspective please, and come back in 3 or 4 years time and tell me that Flintoff is the greatest IF, and only IF, he has done this consistently. In terms of the MVPs - currently the most significant players in each team are: Rafique (BAN), Flintoff (ENG), Kallis (SA), Warne (AUS), Bond (NZ), Murali (SL), Dravid (IND), Lara (WI) and Inzamam (PAK). Oh, who took 40 wickets in a 5 match test series? Who has taken 617 international test wickets? Its none other than the real MVP of the last 15 years, the Donald Bradman of bowling, Shane Keith Warne. ------------- JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 24 September 2005 at 6:28pm
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First of all, nobody cares about how Jacques Kallis was performing 2 years ago. The machines that do the rankings don’t look at how he was doing 2 years ago, and they don't look at how his over all averages are. The machines look at how consistent lately and how he has been performing lately. And i know that Jacques Kallis has not even been performing close to as good as Flintoff has. As you mentioned, Flintoff took 24 wickets at an average of 26 and 380 runs @ an average of 40. But Kallis only performed very well 2 years ago, so why don't you (superbokkie) tell us how Kallis has performed in 2005 cause nobody cares about how he performed 2 years ago. It doesn't matter if Kallis' bowling averages were in the mid twenties in 2003 and his average was consistently above 50, cause now he isn't that good. Lately Kallis has made no match winning performances, while Flintoff has made a series winning performance, which is why he was the man of the series for the ashes series this year. Take for example his extraordinary performance in the last ashes test when Australia were 277 for 2 and then Flintoff destroyed Australia’s' batting order taking 6 wickets, and bringing Australia from 277 for 2 to somewhere around 365 all out. If it weren't for Flintoff there was no way England could have won the last match, or the whole Ashes series. Flintoff was the hero of the Ashes series, he deserves to be praised for his amazing performance in the ashes and he deserves to be number one MVP. But you’re right that Statistically Jacques Kallis is the best all rounder since Sir Garfield Sobers. But currently Flintoff is the best.
Shane Warne is not the best bowler or slow bowler. Muttiah is a way better bowler than Shane. Muttiah’s bowling average of 22 is better than Shane’s 25, Muttiah’s strike rate of 56 is better Shane’s 57, Muttiah’s 14 Ten Wicket hauls are way better than Shane’s 10, Ten wicket hauls, Muttiah’s 47 five wicket hauls are way better than Shane’s 32, Muttiah’s economy rate of 2.34 is better than Shane’s 2.61. The only reason Shane has more wickets is because he has played more matches than Muttiah. Muttiah has played only 95 tests while Shane has played 128. When Shane Warne is gone, Muttiah will easily beat his record. Muttiah is the better player out of Shane Warne and himself. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 1:17am
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saadadvanced7,
Let us keep this respectful. I would like to say, you criticise me for bringing up Kallis' old performance, but then you yourself compare Murali's past performances to Shane's. Going by your logic, Shane IS currently the best bowler in the world because he has just taken an incredible 40 wickets in a 5 match series, and Murali has been either injured/out of form this year. And you asked me to mention Kallis 2005 performances - well, he has scored 800+ runs this year at an average exceeding 70, with several match-winning centuries. In fact, he hit a match saving century vs England in January, and 2 match-winning centuries against the West Indies in the West Indies. He has also bowled reasonably well, with 19 wickets at 37 - yes, nothing compared to Flintoff as an all-rounder, but a good performance nonetheless. The point I was really trying to make is this: Flintoff was nowhere to be seen in South Africa earlier this year. Sure he played well against Australia - but before people start calling him THE MVP, I would like the man to make a habit of performing at the top - as Kallis did for 6 straight years. That was the point I was trying to make. I wasn't actually trying to say Kallis is the MVP right now - I was trying to say that Warne is. ------------- JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 6:00pm
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I agree that Shane Warne did perform very well in the Ashes and deserves to be MVP over Muttiah Muralitharan. I also agree that even in 2005 Kallis has statistically performed better than Flintoff. But the thing is that Kallis hasn't played for a month or two now, but Flintoff just made an amazing performance in the ashes series and the MVP ratings are updated after every series so after the Flintoffs amazing ashes performance he clearly deserves to be the all rounder MVP. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 7:36am
That's not fair mate - he bowled really well and with real pace too. Don't forget that he played the entire series through the pain barrier and was full of cortisone and painkillers. He didn't sparkle with the bat , but his influence cannot be underestimated . ....and don't forget , England won 2-1 !!  ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:07pm
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srry, superbokkie, i didn't know that Kallis was actually performing so well this year.(i don't mean it sarcastically) An average above 70, That's extroadinary for an allrounder. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:08pm
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but his bowling average of 37 isn't too impressive but its ok. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 9:10am
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New MVP in my books. One AC Gilchrist, the most devastating one day batsman since Tendulkar was in his pomp. ------------- JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat. |
Posted By: surenj
Date Posted: 08 October 2005 at 2:15am
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For all those people who say Murali is better, and in particular saadadvanced7 who suggets Murlia has better stats - its because Murali plays a lot more games against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc. who don't compare as opposition to the opponents Warne bowls to. You need to consider that as well when saying Murali's average of 22 is better than Warnes 25. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 08 October 2005 at 3:18pm
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hey, i already mentioned that currently shane is way better than murali. but u are correct that a lot of muralis wickets have come at the hands of weak opponents, infact almost 1/5 of murali's wickets have come from bangladesh and zimbabwe. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 08 October 2005 at 9:04pm
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It doesn't matter who is better between Shane and Murali because Adam Gilchrist is the MVP :)
My logic for this new choice is that - in the absence of Gilchrist's best form - Australia lost the Ashes. And now look how dominant they are when the guy is back in form. In the space of 10 overs he can put the game out of reach for any team - even the best XI in the world. ------------- JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat. |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 11:47am
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Quite right Superbokkie, Adam Gilchrist is the Cricket World MVP in the ODI overall and batting Ratings at present: http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ ------------- Cricket - the game of Life |
Posted By: surenj
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 1:39am
| sorry i'm new to this site, how do they calculate the mvp ratings do you know? |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 11:21am
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Surenj, Glad to have you with us. I have linked below to the MVP section explanation http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/ - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/
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Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 8:34pm
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Well the MVP has been decided for us by the ICC - a panel of experts and cricketing legends who awarded the best in the world with their deserved honours. Kevin Pietersen is the Emerging Player of the Year and the ODI Player of the Year. Jacques Kallis is the Test Player of the Year and the joint World Player of the Year. Andrew Flintoff is the joint World Player of the Year. So hats off to South Africa's Jacques Kallis, England's Andrew Flintoff and South Africano-Englishman Kevin Pietersen for being the overall MVPs of 2005! ------------- JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 10:57pm
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where can i get the list for all the other awards or are there any other awards? ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 11:22am
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For a list of the ICC Player Awards go to: http://www.icc-cricket.com - www.icc-cricket.com For the latest Cricket World MVP ratings go to: http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/ - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/ ------------- Cricket - the game of Life |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 1:19pm
Thank you so much. I have been looking for this.  ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 3:35pm
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dravid deserves to be in the mvp ratings. he should be in the top 5 not ganguly. in the sri lanka serties he played amazind with a 50 in almost all the matches and he also mad a century
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 3:37pm
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i checked the rarings again and found dravid in it. so srry for the mistake. ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 27 November 2005 at 7:47pm
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Dravid is an exceptional batter and certainly deserves to be in the MVP list. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: abub
Date Posted: 03 December 2005 at 8:12pm
| id go for razzaq |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 03 December 2005 at 11:22pm
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Batting or Bowling?
Razzaq hasn't been doing too hot lately and he has been out of action because of injury. I don't think he deserves to be MVP. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 1:58pm
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Currently, the Most Valuable Player in the world in Test cricket is Muralitharan and in ODIs is Gilchrist. http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ ------------- Cricket - the game of Life |
Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 2:10pm
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I see the ratings are looking a bit more refined - there don't seem to be quite so many anomalies as when they were first introduced - keep up the good work.
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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 11 December 2005 at 3:30am
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I think the most valuable player in Test cricket should be Warne and in ODIs, I don't know. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: prayas
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 7:13pm
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i suppose gilchrist is the best openear one can afford in world cricket history
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Posted By: prayas
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 7:15pm
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thats means he is one of the valuable player in odi cricket ------------- eat cricket,sleep cricket, dream cricket,play cricket,.,,,,,,,,,,, |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 10:47am
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hes being dropped for the next 2 matches he needs to go back to the domestic comp and regain form ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 11:23am
No, he's being rested, there's a difference; He'll be 'regaining form' at home with his family.  ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 11:35am
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well either way hes in his worst form but it happens to most players i dont think it ever happened to tendulker ganguly,gillespie,kasporwich,hafeez have all fallen victim to bad form ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 7:44pm
| Gillespie's only 30. He's still got time to come back And I think Tendulkar will hit back form soon. |
Posted By: cricketluva
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 1:20am
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Yeh all great players have gone through slumps, bar Sir Donald George Bradman, he is the only one, he didnt average 100 in tests for nothing. OTher players have gone thorugh small slumps, others 'medium' length slumps and otthers longer slumps. Sachin, Inzi, Lara, Ricky, Kallis, Dravid, Gilchrist have all been through slumps at some stage, but it doesnt mean you lose all the skill you have when you are inform, it is still there.
FORM IS TEMPORARY, CLASS IS PERMANENT. ------------- See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories! |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 5:18am
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Yup!
I completely agree with you. Every great player has good times and along with those good times, there always have to be some bad times. Its just the way it is. |
Posted By: prayas
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 10:02pm
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of course it is kallis and klusner if he was playing
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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 11:03pm
| Kallis! Most Valuable Player? I don't think so! I would say Ponting is the MVP. |
Posted By: robdawg
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 3:15pm
| mvp symonds great alround cricketer, best feilder in the world, aggresive batsmen picks up the occasional wicket brings life to the team and i dotn care what any of yous say |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 22 January 2006 at 12:40am
| The top all-rounder should be Kamran Akmal. He has been outstanding with the bat lately. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 4:57am
| Ricky Ponting |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 11:36am
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Currently, Muttiah Muralitharan is the Most Valuable Player in Test cricket and Adam Gilchrist in ODI cricket in the Cricket Wolrd Ratings - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ ------------- Cricket - the game of Life |
Posted By: skip_eng
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 1:19am
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Ashley Fraser Giles MBE ------------- Ashley Giles took three good wickets, outbowling Shane Warne who matched him in the scorebook, but not on the field Best quote ever! Source: Cricinfo |
Posted By: HASH
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 8:01pm
| akter please |
Posted By: hk143
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 6:08am
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Akmal is a wicketkeeper batsman not an allrounder, he has been good with the bat and gloves.How long is the period that MVP ratings cover....? |
Posted By: Doctor
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 5:04pm
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Currently, the Most Valuable Player in the world in Test cricket is Muralitharan and in ODIs is Kevin Peitersen. http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ - http://www.cricketworld.com/ratings/mvp/ ------------- Cricket - the game of Life |
Posted By: minimurali
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 6:00pm
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Blinkin' heck Murali's top of the pile by a mile! Pietersen not so surprising - he is amazing!
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Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 10:39pm
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hmmmmmmm........... not sure what to think.... any rankings that show Ricky ponting as 9th in MVP ratings for Australia alone, behind Brad Hodge (who isn't even playing), Stuart Macgill(play's on and off) and Stuark Clark (who has been dropped) are a little skew-if for mine. Not to mention the fact that it has Hoggard, who with flintoff carried the bowling in Englands tour of the Sub-Continent, at 11 for england, behind Graham Thorpe (hmmmmm isn't he retired) and Ian Bell (is he still in the team ???) questionable..... ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 04 May 2006 at 2:23am
| Rahul Dravid, because he keeping up his average pretty well and his form is very good too. |