Essex & Darren Gough
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Topic: Essex & Darren Gough
Posted By: TCA123
Subject: Essex & Darren Gough
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 2:19pm
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Now this topic doesn't concern Gough's brilliant bowling and reasoning for him to be playing for england (which he should be Can anyone shed any light or reasoning behind this!? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 2:27pm
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So he can have a big swing and try to take advantage of the fielding restrictions is one explanation. To pander to the man's gigantic ego would be another. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 2:32pm
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Maybe Clobs , but when batting 2nd it means the old man can leave and get tucked up into bed early too! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 2:34pm
| He was in bed by the end of the first over of Essex's innings last night then! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 2:52pm
 and he still got paid full whack mate!!------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: darlo_lad
Date Posted: 09 July 2006 at 7:10pm
| Yeah they send in a pinch hitter, to try and smack it and get quick runs. When it comes off it's a good idead, but surely in twenty twenty, all batsman just go out to smash it? |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 09 July 2006 at 8:19pm
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yeah but you wont convince me that darren gough can score quicker then any specialist batsmen. If he can, the Essex have a horrifying top order - which isn't true. Even the most defensive of batsmen can hit 6s, im sure dravid can! just he has the mental strength to know that it's risky and shouldn't be tried often. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 10 July 2006 at 7:38am
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The thing is though, Gough can slog as good as any top order batsmen, but can't really nudge the singles when the field goes out.
So they use him in the first 6 as an extra number three, he slogs, goes out better batsman comes in and finishes it off. SImple, apart from when Goughie gets a duck. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 10 July 2006 at 9:56pm
which seems to be unsurprisingly frequent ! Gough is such a legend! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 3:43pm
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Yeah, it seems pointless really. Especially as he's now said he's going out there to build an innings, not just pinch hit. So he just slows up the scoring rate in the first 6 ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 9:26pm
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I would understand more if he really did come in and swipe at everything untill he got out cheaply. If he got 18 of 3 balls and got out then fine. But he doesn't, he stays there too long to be a pinch hitter. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 1:42pm
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He did quite well last night v Sussex, hit 25 off about 20 balls, the real hero though was Ronnie Irani with 100 not out. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 July 2006 at 4:06pm
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He is such a good batsmen to watch in full flow. Destructive! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 13 July 2006 at 7:24pm
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I would use a different word, flukey ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 15 July 2006 at 10:06pm
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But still destructively flukey! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 9:05am
If you describe Gough as a good batsman , just what will you call players like Ponting , Dravid , Inzamam , Pietersen . Yousef , Kallis , Hussey...... .....must be plenty of pretty impressive superlatives!! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 12:01pm
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he made 14 in 7 balls in the pro 40 so i suppose he is doing his job. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Hawks fan
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 4:19pm
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That's the job he is sent in to do. They want him to get boundaries. Even though I have seen him bat for Essex in number 3 a few times (especially as Sky always play Essex matches!) and most of the runs he scores are edges that go to third man or shots that go into the air and land just where there is no fielders. He is quite amusing to watch as a batsman. ------------- 700 Posts! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 20 July 2006 at 8:45am
.....and really tedious to hear when prattling about his snubbing by the selectors..... ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 20 July 2006 at 9:41pm
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Can't help bang your head against a wall because he is so damn right, even if his head is the size of a balloon. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 7:35am
I take by that you mean a barrage balloon mate! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 9:10am
Having looked into it again I found that in his last series of ODI's "the bestest one day bowla eva" took a whopping TWO wickets whilst being carted round the park at almost 6.5 an over - I am sure that wasn't his fault either.... |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 9:24am
...and if I remember correctly Clobs , he didn't take a single wicket , first up with a new ball. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 9:39pm
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But he is still 100000x better then liam plunkett. Even when wicketless ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 24 July 2006 at 7:07am
Plunkett is young and will improve , Gough is old , slow and a liability. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 24 July 2006 at 1:28pm
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Gough is still consistant for Essex. Plunkett is a liability for England....although he will improve. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:42am
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D-Day for The Dazzler today as England name their provisional 30 man squad for the ICC Trophy. Obviously , if Gough is left out of this list then he can spend a lot more time on his dancing! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 11 August 2006 at 10:03pm
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 11 August 2006 at 11:35pm
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We should run a sweep on how long it takes Sky commentators tomorrow to say "he loves the big occasion" when Gough is bowling. I'll give it about 15 seconds... |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 12 August 2006 at 12:16am
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Too many kent games all of which have been a bore! Darren Gough will not batt/slog as easily as he has done in County cricket, when he plays International cricket! ------------- |
Posted By: Sureshot
Date Posted: 12 August 2006 at 6:33pm
| He's done it in international cricket before. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 12 August 2006 at 11:18pm
| What a surprise that when it got important the useless ****** should be smacked for 18 runs that in the final analysis cost his team the match. FOAD Goughie. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 4:11pm
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FOAD?! gough is a legend! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 7:26am
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This last performance should signal the end of Gough on the international scene. It can only be a backward step if the selectors bottle it and bring the old git back!!
Gough WAS good , there shouldn't be any sentiment , he must be put out to grass. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 11:57am
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I completely disagree. Gough is good currently and one of the best available for England. Even if his ego is huge. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 11:48pm
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i can see australia & india celebrating the possibility of facing gough in the champions trophy, as sledger said he WAS good, but please don't put him out to the pastures just yet ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
)Posted By: Sureshot
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 12:59pm
| Give him another chance, he bowled well last night to my dismay. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 3:05pm
Maybe that's the answer SS - let him get "Pakistanned" - with the emphasis on tanned in the upcoming one dayers and then he'll disappear without much of a whimper. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 3:56pm
| he wouldn't though - it's never ever his fault remember! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 7:41pm
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I wouldn;t mind if he did ***** in the ICC trophy, at least we could forget about him, but he deserves to live up to his own hype or be thrown aside. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 2:37am
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I think he's a bit old. He should come for the Champions Trophy and give some confidence to the team and then RETIRE. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 10:35am
He's a LOT old lad !!
Is he related to Tony Blair Clobs? ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 10:42am
| he is about as likeable as President Tony anyway |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:04pm
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Your never too old if your good enough. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:05pm
| and he's not good enough |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:06pm
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Dammit am i the only gough fan ? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:11pm
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To quote you from another thread "England don't need another slow medium pacer who can swing the ball a touch".  |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:30pm
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i believe youjust stumped me there.....Well played.... but he does bwol good yorkers. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:55pm
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if thats all that goughy has going for him bring on ICC cup, we won't mind ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 1:23pm
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Wow hes really unpopular... ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 3:10pm
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I think Darren Gough is a legend. A great pinch hitter at number 3 and
devastatingly accurate and fast at times. I saw him bowl against Sussex
a few night ago and he took 4 wickets. Still the best ODI bowler in
England. Better than Mahmood and Harmison who should both be banned
from 1 day cricket for being an embarassment to English cricket and in
Mahmoods case should be banned from cricket altogether for being so
overrated. BRING THE DAZZLER BACK!!!!!
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 3:18pm
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A great pinch hitter a No 3? Don't make me laugh. How many runs has he made then? How can you say he is fast at times as well. When did you last see him play??? |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 9:59pm
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More than the England 1 day squad put together. He can still bowl fast
at 85 mph.Darren Gough is the future for English one day squads. MON
THE DAZZLER!!!
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 12:01am
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He CAN NOT bowl at 85mph. I think your comment that he is "the future" puts any other comment you may wish to make into context. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:47am
All your credibility disappears after this statement lad... ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 8:01am
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i think dissapears and then some would be more correct sledg!!! How is it possible 70DS that a 35 y/o pie chucker could be the "future" of English ODI squads!! Think about that a little and you will hopefully see how ridiculous of a claim you have just made ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 8:28am
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"Pie chucker" just about sums Gough up nowadays Claps! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 5:15am
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I have never seen Gough bowl so fast in recent times ,he is past his time maybe England need Sidebottom the guy bowled wel in one of the 2020 matches i saw him . ------------- |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 8:56am
| Ryan doesn't seem to be anywhere near contention but England could do a lot worse than give him a go. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 10:46am
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Blimey Clobs , I've just read an old Athers article in The Telegraph - he says we need to bring Gough back!! His reasoning is that the bowlers in possession have been so dire that The Dazzler can't be worse.
On the positive side he talks up Broad and Onions . I've never seen either bowl , but they are taking wickets and that's not to be sniffed at. Tell me , is Onions genuinely pacy and a real prospect in your eyes? I know what you think about Broad!! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 11:01am
| Onions is sharp and hostile - he pinned Darren Maddy on the grill during a T20 match down here with sufficient force that Dazza had to retire hurt, although at the moment I'd describe him slightly on the rough and ready side rather than ready for international cricket. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 11:12am
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Thanks mate - it's encouraging that the lad's got some pace though , you can improve line and length as he matures. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 9:15am
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So Gough makes the England squad , be ready for some classic soundbites! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 1:53pm
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I think it's a good move. At least let him back up his constant whinging about him not being in England squads. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 2:03pm
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yeh but i wreckon it wont be for long! Now that Darren has talked his way into the team, im sure Andre caddiŁk will be rehearsing his media conferences! Only recently, he told a newspaper that he is the best bowler in the country...this is when Freddy, Harmy and Hoggy, jones had been bowling well! I think some cricketers dont know what it means to leave on a high or your dignity intact! you would want to be rememberd as a great player of your time, not a player who just played on when he talents had been drained out of him as a result of the aging process! Imran Khan, most of the windies players from the 80s, Atherton, hussain, wasim Akram, saeed anwar( last inns was a 100 against india) to mention but a few who retired whilst some where near their peak and will always be remembered for that! ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 2:51pm
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Exactly Inzy ! Seeing a top bowler (and Gough WAS one!) getting belted around the park by lads he used to knock over easily is very disheartening.
Retirement must be a difficult thing to accept , but the top men have done it down the years and in all sports. Steve Waugh , Nasser Hussain and Graeme Pollock (to name but three) retired immediately after scoring an international hundred - isn't that the most fantastic way to sign off? I admired Goughie , he was at his best when England were dire - but he ran in , time and time again - he really was a terrific trier . I don't want to see him humiliated next week , but I fear I might... ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:11pm
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He wasn't a bad batsman either. Could make some runs on thw whole total. I remember that series last year before the Ashes he was the top scorer with 50 for England. He single handedly won the game for them. Almost won it for them. He had 51 run partnership with Harmison. In that Harmison made 1 and Gough 50. ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:31pm
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Yep I would hate to see Goughie end on a embarrasing note because he was one of my fave cricketers! Then again you never know, cricket is a funny game! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:39pm
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If he fails in bowling, he can always make up in his batting although that is a weird thing to say. ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:42pm
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He can always do a samba during the intervals! He seems to be a good mover, with his time at strictly come dancing! If he gets wickets he might even create a knew dancing celebration!
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:44pm
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He's a good dancer? ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:54pm
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I think he did well at the competition until he started in inswing and outswing his partner! old habits die hard!HEHE ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:55pm
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I don't get what you're saying. ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 6:01pm
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I was just messing around, he actually did very well in that dancing programme he took part in! i never watched it but ive been told he was a crowd favourite! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 6:02pm
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Wow. He actually took part in a dancing program. In which country. I doubt its a bharatanathyam. ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 6:12pm
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HahaA Dravid Fan. It was a BBC programme in ENgland called strictly come dancing. you are paired up with a partner from the opposite sex and work togather on various numbers and perform infront of judges and audience and you get voted in or out based on how well u performed! THis is the reason he didn't go to the sub continent tour! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 6:56pm
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Thats weird. Waht a waste of time. He could have as well gone for the our than this dance. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 9:43pm
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I think many people want to see him fail which is a terrible attitude for a once great bowler. Gough can offer alot to England even if he can't be the same strike bowler of yesteryear. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 9:51pm
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I can speak for myself and i know eventhough im a pak fan id love for Goughie to have a good series! He is such a great character and has been a wonderful trier for England when they were poor! However, my question to you TCA..how will the England team take to Goughie, when he has criticised the inclusion of some of the players he will be playing with? It could an awkward time in the dressing room! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:03am
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It might unless they have had an understanding or if Gough apologises. ------------- |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 9:11am
| I don't think he has specifically criticised any one individual |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:46pm
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Gough has a big mouth ok. We all know it. He's arrogant and has a huge ego. But one thing we know is that he gives 100%. I think he's a very popular member of the dressing room and generally a nice person so he would easily fit back in. He just needs to have some respect for other players and the courtesy not to comment on our players problems. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:54pm
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True he has a big mouth, but like you mentioned he does give a 100%! i think he said something along the line of im better than some of the bowlers who are currently playing and that they were not good enough to play for england! Im sure even Sachin would have a difficulty going back to the indian dressing room if he said somthing like that about some of the players! i cant imagine guys going to gough for advise....they know what he thinks already about their bowling! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:58pm
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Well thats unacceptable from Gough. I can understand why he constantly puts his case foreward to be in the England team. His time is running out and he's desperate to get noticed and get back in the England set up. If that means interviews, media attention or whatever he will get it. He knows he has a deadline of the world cup and he wants to get noticed by the selectors in any way possible so they find it hard to omit him. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:12pm
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He shouldn't have done that. Going to have a bad time in the dressing room mate. ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:15pm
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Yep, so on these grounds i wreckon he should not have been slected! You cannot throw your dummy out and criticise young players for you ommission from the team! its no professional and i would have thought its not the Gough of years ago where he would support all youngsters in the team! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:16pm
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But even last year he had said something like this to the youngsters. I think. ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:24pm
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I sware on my own life that I saw a speed gun measure Dazzler at 84.7
mph against Sussex a week ago. The Dazller has lots to give yet.
Everyone in the changing room likes him because he's a joker and I
remember reading a book where Freddy Flintoff had just got a pair and
Darren Gough pinned up a picture of Jordan with her tits out with a
message saying "nice pair Freddy." THE DAZZLER IS A LEGEND, HIM
AND BROAD WITH THE NEW BALL AND ENGLAND WILL BEAT PAKISTAN OR
INTERNATIONAL XI!!
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:25pm
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I doubt that. ------------- |
Posted By: Hawks fan
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 9:24pm
Darren Gough appears to be an old ball specialist and I think we will struggle against Pakistan. I hope Michael Yardy gets a game. He is a good player. 
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 5:16pm
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Yardy must play!!! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 8:24pm
| I can't see both Yardy and Dalrymple in the team and Jamie must be in pole position at the moment |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 1:11pm
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I think Yardy is the better player. More of a batsman but we need a big hitter. He's quite capable of bowling skiddy left arm spin to tuck up the batsman too. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 1:18pm
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Having seen Yardy play yesterday...He has a massive tirgger movement, i think with shoibs pace he might struggle, you need to be so still when facing some one like shoiab, Yardy could struggle! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 1:19pm
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Well we don't know unless he's given the chance ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 1:24pm
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Yep...im just saying...He might prove me wrong massively! I based it on seeing some guys who have freak triggrr movements and end up going LBW because the head ends up way over offstump, its so important to be still at the crease, Sehwaq has shown footwork is not everything as long as you have a good hand/ eye coordination! ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 1:38pm
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"Commeth the hour commeth the man" which commenetator is likely to say that about Gougie? or even " he loves the big occasion"!? ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 9:08pm
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or alternatively against Pakistan "Commeth the hour commeth the m-afridi six" ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 10:47pm
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I think everyone in this forum owes me an apology because I said he
could bowl at 85mph and you all laughed at me and said I'd lost all my
respect but what did he do in the 20:20 match? Did an 86mph ball. SO
THERE!
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 9:07am
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get a grip, the on screen speedometer has been all over the place during these limited overs games. Last night Shoaib nearly took someone's head off with a bouncer and it came up at 68mph on the screen, then his slower ball registered in the high 80's. Anyway you also said he was good, and I notice you at least aren't claiming that was accurate. |