Best ever ODI player?
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Topic: Best ever ODI player?
Posted By: Wal Bada
Subject: Best ever ODI player?
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 5:59pm
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We talk about best batsman, bowler and fielder in ODI s. Who's the greatest ever ODI player in cricket history. What I want is to assess batting, bowling, fielding, captaincy and personality and to vote. I wotld love to have Imran Khan, Flintoff, Steve Waugh, Glenn McGrath, Chis Cairns and Kapil Dev here but poll limits for 10 options. So I went primaraly for better all rounders, bset of batsman and bowlers.
For me it's Sanath Jayasuriya, 10000+ runs, 250+ wickets, 90+ catches and a brilliant fielder, 60%+ success rate in captaincy, canny cricket brain and the aura surrounding him to give that great personality. The close runner up will be Viv Richards in my opinion,Avg 0f 47, SR of 95+, 50+ wickets, brilliant fielder and once again with that Aura surrounding him What is your choice |
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Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 6:37pm
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Sachin Tendulkar. ------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 8:50pm
| Viv Richards for me, no question - the most destructive batsman I've ever seen, a more than handy bowler and a deadly fielder too (3 run outs in the first World Cup final as an example). Had he played today with the benfits the batsman now have he would be putting record and record out of reach. |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 8:54pm
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I know most people may choose batsman...Wasim Akram changed the ODI game along side waqar but Wasi was awesome with his bowling at all stages of the game...His batting wasnt bad either! ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 9:14pm
Why didn't you vote for him? |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 9:19pm
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I don't vote in polls because they suck, I'd far rather express and back up my opinions |
Posted By: EnglandFan
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 11:29pm
Personally for me it has to be wasim, this guy was deadly with the new and old ball. he bowled deadly yorkers and bouncers and caused problems for almost every batsmen. He was so good that he was called a cheat for a bit 
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Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:22am
Or ist it you don't like the word Democracy? |
Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:30am
What kind of democracy is this when you can vote hundreds and hundreds of times. ------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:26am
| TENDULKAR is the greatest ODI pplayer of all time and no other batsman will ever compare to him |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:20am
hahaha yes because an online poll is the very epitome of democracy. I guess I am a despot because I have sufficient intelligence to be able to express my opinions in WORDS, gasp! I suggest you grow up. |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:52am
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Sachin Tendulkar for me. 14148 ODI runs at an average of 44.21, 39 ODI Centuries, 72 Fifties. More then useful bowler with 142 wickets, with a personal best of 5/32. Great player. ------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 11:21pm
| not just great, the GREATEST |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 4:28pm
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Clobber said>>hahaha yes because an online poll is the very epitome of democracy. I guess I am a despot because I have sufficient intelligence to be able to express my opinions in WORDS, gasp! I suggest you grow up.
True man . . ! dhoniibest>>What kind of democracy is this when you can vote hundreds and hundreds of times. You are monkeying around with the key board (as you Avatar suggests) if you keep voting for 100 times. Do you know that there's a word called HONESTY. See the encyclopedia and check it for your self that it exists!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 5:15pm
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I will go for Viv richards and is not because I am a west indian. His batting was destructive and scared the hell out of any bowler. A handy spinner and a good fielder and off course captained the side as well so it wasn't an easy thing for him. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 8:17pm
You can't say that. At some point someone will come and beat him. Evey century has its own greats. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 8:18pm
Bradman is the greatest. In Tests that is. If he had todays equipment and was playing. Other teams will stop playing out of fear of him. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 8:19pm
For me its Viv Richards and Tendulkar in ODIs. Two greats. Very lucky to have even been able to watch both of them.  ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:27pm
I'll not jump to that conclusion. He'll be workrd out with the use of technology (as once O'Riely workrd him out with a wide leg slip for inswinger bowling of Alec Bedser) |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:31pm
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Sachin best ODI batsman Wasim Best ODI bowler ------------- |
Posted By: paki
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:31pm
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i have to say wasim akram just on the fact i never got to see imran khan play but i heard great stories about the man |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:38pm
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are you talking about Bill O'Reilly ? if so i'm assuming your talking about an australian domestic cricket match considering both O'Rielly and Bradman played for Australia.... ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:40pm
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Bill O'Reily figured out away to trouble Bradman in the domestic comp from what I read he's the only bowler to ever really trouble him? ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:40pm
| No he is relating the story that was on Cricinfo the other day where O'Reilly mentioned to a few England players how he would bowl at Bradman, and they duly took his advice and dismissed the Don for a series of low scores. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:56pm
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What he did that,he told the english how to ruin Bradmans average of 100! Bill O'Reilly -_- hang your head in shame might. ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:58pm
| Probably isn't much of it left to hang |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:58pm
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i remember Nasser Hussain's England doing the same to Sachin in india, sachin had a heated exchange with hussian about his bodyline-negative tactics to him! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 4:52pm
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What Billy O' Reilly did was horrible. I read that article. If it wasn't for that and maybe evn Bodyline then he would have had an average of 150 when he retired. ------------- |
Posted By: RISE_OF_MACCA
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 2:48pm
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average isn't everything i reckon its more aggreate and strike rate.. whats the point of staying out there for 3 and a half days to make a big score and then not be able to bowl out a side.. im not saying bradman did but just an opinion |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:38pm
Buddy, Bradman was a furiously fast scorer in his generation. he may not do a Gilchrist, Sehwag, Afridi or a Jayasuriya, but believe me, he is very quick to score his runs ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 9:16pm
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Wrong, he was quick for his time. I'd just like to make a comparison
here. Don Bradman scored his 334 in 448 balls. Len Hutton scored his
364 in 847 balls. Quick for his time but his strike rates would never
have been considered amazing in todays terms.By the way, I chose
Tendulkar because he has made more centuries than anyone else by miles.
I would have considered picking Saqlain Mushtaq if he was there because
he only let 21 runs go for every wicket. Very good indeed.
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 9:19pm
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And another thing, Viv Richards always played in the best team in the
world. If he had been in a struggling team he wouldn't have been
anywhere near as good in my opinion. Just look at Brian Lara. Struggled
in recent times with a poor team.
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 11:17pm
| absolute rubbish |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 11:49pm
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Sachin Tendulkar. I chose sachin because he has sheer class. His records are superb. When you see a guy who has played more than 362 matches and has an average of 44.21 with 14146 runs, 39 centuries ( may take batsman a lifetime to reach this milestone) and 72 fifties, we all know these are unbelievable stats and he deserves a
Separate chart. These stats are very hard to achieve and I don't think their is any batsman that will bypass these records in the future. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 1:21am
Yup Bradman made 300 in one day and even Sehwag couldn't do that. Ofcoarse there is that fact that Tests in those days were 120 overs, but still how many players make 280 within 90 overs. Very few. Inzi doesn't, Dravid doesn't, so Bradman was very quick for his days. And average does say a lot about a batsman. If a batsman has a healthy average then you know that he can go out and always make a big score. Plus how many players have even reached an average of 70. Bradman reaches99,so that does tell a lot about him. ------------- |
Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 12:37pm
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OF COURSE!!! ADAM GILCHRIST!!! well it would be him when he was in top form, around 2002. He would score a quickfire 50 in 40 balls! with matt hayden playing calm, and rotating strike, with their fast running between wickets, thats like 70 in first 10 overs! ive seen more!!! adam gilchrist always gives australia a nice head start in the first 0-15 overs in any ODI! he hits hard, doesnt hesitate, and doesnt need width. His defensive shot is a full blooded on drive FGS!!! it goes to boundary in less than 3 secs!!! WOW! EDIT: Spelling ------------- "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!!!" |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 3:11pm
This is not only about batting mate, about the whole package. Batting, bowling, fielding/keeping, captaicy, off field behavior are they trens setters etc. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 3:18pm
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Best Batsman= Sachin Best Bowler= Wasim no doubt about it both have records and players who played with and against them who would vouch for their genius espclly in this form of the game. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 3:48pm
Best player?? ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 3:54pm
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Its difficult to seperate the two, both have been devastating in their respective roles in cricket and achieved great things. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 3:59pm
Then what about roles that are not reagrded as respective? Fielding, Bowling, Batting, Captaincy, Discipline, Off field behavior,impression on world cricket? ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: Rudurk
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 3:56pm
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Man you aint got Rahul Dravid in there his the best batsman but the best err id say Sachin coz he can ball to |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 5:48pm
PS:Please use proper English. This is not a chat room. Please see the posts of others and get an idea ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 10:32pm
Listen Clobber, I don't know what your problem is with me but maybe we should sort it out, you can't just say thats absolute rubbish, especially when it's true. Viv Richards could afford to attack the bowlers when the opposite team had been bowled out for 200. He batted in a carefree way which you can only do in a good team. It's exactly the same with Lara, recently has struggled because he's been under a lot of pressure. ------------- [ |
Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 4:41pm
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well u guyz talking abt Best ODi player so No doubt abt Wasim bcz he's a pinch Hitter and the Only Bwoler to take 500 wikks in ODi's. ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 8:52pm
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Tendulkars hit 40 centuries and averages 45 so its actually very close,
plus Wasim played well over 300 matches to get those 500 wickets.
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Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 9:09pm
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Tendulkar has also played more matches then Wasim.Altugh Wasims 257 was great. ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 9:14pm
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It was literally the flukiest batting ever and it wasnt in a one day
game so is completely inappropriate. Tendulkar has actually taken 142
ODI wickets so I think this puts the case to a close.
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Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 9:09am
well adam gilchrist is still my best cricketer. His batting, perfect, big hitting, nice hard hitting. Hes a wicketkeeper, and a good one too, so that takes care of bowling and fielding, captaincy, he captained a few matches when ricky ponting had a break, especially during the 2003 world cup. He seems pretty sane, and is in the best position for giving bowlers advice, so yeah, hed do well. He also chips in a bit to give the fielders some chatter and atmosphere, ("cmon lads, cmon"). Off field behaviour is great. hes won an allan border medal or 2 i think, hes never been in the headlines for anything bad, and has a child (maybe 2 now). Happily married, not any shane warne dodgeem stuff. Hes perfect, everyone looks up to him, especially his batting. ------------- "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!!!" |
Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 9:12am
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oh, not to mention he is very honest, and believes to keep cricket as honest and true as it can be. i remember in a world cup match against sri lanka, he walks, even though he wasnt given out by the umpire. He had cleary hit to ball onto his pad, where it popped up to aravinda de silva (i think). Very funny, i remember australia being in a bit of strike before symonds and martyn saves the batting Very funny. ------------- "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!!!" |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 9:19am
Stop it lad , you're just showing yourself up. Viv Richards was one of the most breathtaking batsmen the world has ever seen and if he'd played for Zimbabwe he'd still be brilliant! Opinions are okay if you have something to base it on - my guess is that you weren't born when Viv retired. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 6:07pm
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O c'mon,Best example at this stage is Brain Charles Lara.Hes been playing for a long time and u know that Wi is been in the doom For a long time and he is still performing very well even better then those players who are Stars and also playing in one of Best teams. ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: meninblue
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 7:36pm
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Its Michael Bevan for me... Such a great finisher and the most
important thing - he comes good when the side needs him - under
pressure... Some of the greatest players that are mentioned on this
poll have crumbled under pressure... They might have tons of runs and
wickets, but important is - do they get them when the side needs it the
most??
------------- Zaheer is the best... Sourav will be back... Irfan rocks!! |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 9:45pm
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Lara is terrible compared to 10 years ago, he averaged something like 70 then, and that was with all the great bowlers.
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 9:47pm
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Sledger, he always did well when West Indies were coasting, look up
cricinfo and look at his big scores, almost all of them were when the
opposition had benn bowled out cheaply.
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:05pm
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70 spin, lara has been in poor form lately but lara still amde some ton with a poor windies side like in the beginner of WC 2003. Viv richards is regarded as the best ODI batsman ever because of his attacking style and managed to average 47 which ain't no easy feat to accieve. Wasim akram is my go for ODI bowler, a handy lower order batter as well but still, its Viv all the way for me. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:07pm
how could have have gotten a big score if the opposition had been bowled out cheaply? |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:10pm
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I mean if after the 1st innings, the opposition had been bowled out for
200 and West Indies could bat more freely. I dont understand what
you're asking?
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:13pm
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okay, not to worry. I suggest you find a thread on the forum about the greatest one day innings ever, in which I go into detail about his 189* against England in 1984 - which was far for someone creaming it in while the going was easy. Or there was the 100 in the World Cup Final of 1979, that was pretty good too. |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:20pm
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I thought someone would mention that, I admit that was fantastic. I
amn't saying Viv is a bad cricketer, I'm just saying he might not
have hit quite so many centuries had he played for Pakistan or someone
like that. Dont get me wrong, he is a true great and he's in my best XI
in the bestXI thread.
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Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 7:21am
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Add to that, never had the taste of barrage of spinners as in current crickets, orthadox ones, unorthadox ones, doosras, quicker balls, Warnes, Mauralis and Saqlains. And not to mention Pakistan brand toe crushers with reverse swing off Wasim and Waqar. Possibly he had very few legendary bowlers in his age. Lillee, Thommo, Hadlee, Kapil (early days), Imran (ealry days), Chandra, Quadir are the few I can remember. (add if there are more) See the present,and see what a player like Tendulkar, Gilly or Jayasuriya confronts - Lee, Akthar, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Kumble, Harbhajan, Harmison, Saqlain, Wasim, Waqar, Bond, Pollock, Donald the variety is so much. So if he was in current era, he may still have an Avg of upper forties, but his SR might come down to lower 80s or Upper 70s as these bowlers are probably the best in ODI's and are good wicket takes and restrictors of runs too. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 7:58am
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Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 11:30am
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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion.
I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he
was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries
like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate
him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!! ------------- [ |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 12:23pm
At one stage it was 60
Klusener is superior to Flintoff in ODIs DEFINATELY!!! Compare their recors if you have to. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 9:51pm
Remeber that average doesn't count. Dravid is such a good batsman. He is better than of the batsman today, but his average isn't all that high in ODIs. Just because Bevan had a lot of not outs and his average was high doesn't make him better than Sachin and Lara. Get that straight. ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 10:26pm
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It does mate because that means the opposition failed to bowl him out
and Freddy has a fantastic bowling average in ODI's adn lets face it
Lance Klusener is not a good bowler. He can bat better than Freddy but
Freddy beats him overall. Klusener had one good tournament and before
and since hasn't showed that sort of form.
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Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 11:23pm
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well i personally feel that Dravid is better then Bevan.Brilliant leader,great batsmen,responsible.After Sachin hes the best in the team.and he is also playing at no.3 spot ,not the easiest spot to bat on. ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 11:24pm
Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:57am
Best batsman - I thought it would be between Viv and Tendulkar Best Wicket keeper Batsamn - ANDY FLOWER - pity that he was not in a stronger team, then he would have definietly beaten Gilly with stats. All rounder - No one even mentions Jayasuriya. Only person to score 10000 and to take 290+ wickets ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 1:23pm
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Agreed on that note Wal... Jayasuria's bowling is underrated in pajama cricket, the amount of wickets is testament that, especially when many only think of him as a bits n peices bowler! ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 8:50pm
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I forgot about him. Whats his bowling average?
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 8:54pm
Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 2:29am
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M I NO Runs H/S Avg Balls S/R 100 50 Batting 364 354 15 11104 189 32.75 12351 89.90 22 60 M Balls Runs Wkts B/B Ang E/R S/R 4 5 Bowling 364 12822 10238 278 6/29 36.82 4.79 46.12 6 4 His average is around 36 as an opener, Jayasuriya only became a reconizable force after he started to open the innings. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 4:16am
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Greatest ODI all-rounder of all time would have to be Jacques Kallis & Lance Klusener,greatest ODI Batsman would have to be Sachin Tendulkar,greatest Keeper would have to be either Adam Gilchrist & Andy Flower but in 10 years time it will be Dhoni Great ODI spinner of all time would be Saqlain Mushtaq & Muttaih Muralitharan also Anil Kumble Finally greatest ODI all-round (includes fielding,bowling & batting) player Sanath Jayasuriya & Sachin Tendulkar.I think there the two greats of this version of the game. |
.Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 7:35am
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Where the hell were you in the 1990's??? You are a fool and many of your comments on this forum are totally ignorant ------------- |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 7:38am
Not Andy Flower, not in ODIs and Jaya statistically is the best.. But I am thinking of quality... Anyone can bowl like Jaya, he is effective, but he is not a high class bowler. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 8:24am
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The quality called longevity also should be in the equation ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 8:42am
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I agree, but I do not rate him as a bowler, nobody in the world fears him... like I said effective, but as a quality allround I could name 10 better (i.e. Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis, Waugh, Flintoff, Klusener, Pollock, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan) ------------- |
Posted By: Rudurk
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 2:12pm
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i did choose sachin coz he can ball to bro read |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 9:59pm
I agree with Miniwarney, Bevan was a fantastic batsman, I didn't realise how good he was till I looked at his stats on cricinfo, look there Dravid and youll see why miniwarney and i rate him so highly plus his bowling was far more dangerous than Jayasuriya. ------------- [ |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 11:43pm
I don't know about his bowling, but Lara, Tendulkar, Inzamam, Ponting, Steve Waugh, Gilchrist, Jayasuriya, Dravid are all better than him. 70ds his stats were very good, but his performances weren't as good as the above mentioned players. I agree that he didn't come up the order, but he wasn't even as famous compared to players from his own team. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 8:41am
That is the very fact that he became such an effective bowler. All oppositions just underrated his bowling, and Bingo! he gets the best of the opposition players! All above players are quality. but Jayasuriya has won more matches than all the above players. And he'll walk in to any ODI team in the world with his batting, bowling, fielding and cunning cricket brain. And unlike some of the above named he has a clean charachter certificate as well, which is also a contributory factor for a players greatness. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 10:00am
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I agree with you Wal Bada, like I said he is effective - But I still rate Klusener as a better all rounder. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 2:35pm
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Bevan was just a crap-bag with the ball. usually short, and on slow tracks was fodder for batsmen. He is a good batsman, brilliant fielder until he injured his shoulder, and a great finisher. But he never ever possessed the aura of Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar, Sanath Jayasuriya or Wasim Akram used to have around them. He never instilled fear to the opposition as above players, who coud tear apart attacks or batting line ups on their own ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 8:14pm
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He was useful and difficult to pick and for a few games was in a spin
partnership with Shane Warne (no joke) he was that highly rated with
the Aussie coaches.
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Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 6:26am
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Ok here are stats for you. Jayasuriya vs Bevan in Bowling
BEVAN Tests M-18, Balls-1285, runs-703, wkts-29 BBi-6/82, BBm-10/113, Avg-24.24, ER-3.28, SR-44.31 ODIs M-232, Balls-1966, Runs-1655, Wkts-36, BB-3/36, Avg-45.97, ER-5.05, SR-54.61 JAYASURIYA Tests M-105, Balls-7966, Runs-3271, Wkts-96, BBi-5/34, BBm-9/74, Avg-34.07, ER-2.46, SR-82.97 ODIs M-364, Balls-12822, Runs-10238, Wkts-278, BB-6/29, Avg-36.82, ER-4.79, SR-46.12 In ODIs Jayasuriya is miles ahead of Bevan. If you reduce that match against WI at Perth, Bevan's test bowling also looks like utter crap. He has bowled too few balls in test cricket to comment on Avg and SR ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 7:51am
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Jayasuriya's economy rate in tests is amazing,Warne's career ER is 2.65 roughly and Kumble is roughly there as well. Though Bevan was a partnership breaker in tests his 6/82 and tenfor in the same match against South Africa a decade ago is what won them the match. ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 8:13am
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Bevan ,jayasuriya ,Sachin are all odi greats so is Murali because of differen reasons .Cant see why Zulu's name is there ? ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 5:29pm
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Bevan's bowling was never great. He bowled once in a while. I don't know why you people are making such a fuss bout him. By the 70DS, average doesn't say much. So just because he has a 50+average doesn't mean that he is a great player. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 5:31pm
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This thread proves that it's becoming a batsman's game. The question was who is the best ever ODI player. Many of you'll have voted for players who bowl occasionally.
iS Zulu the nick of Klusener. ------------- |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 8:38pm
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YEa one time my father invited a south african to watch a S.A vs SL match, and the dude was liek ohhh here comes ZULU! i was about 10 or so, but i was trying to find a jersey that said ZULu the whole match practically until my dad finally asked him who zulu was Very funny. Klusener was a good all rounder. Bt this is for best ODI player ever. In my opinion is its hard becasue its bwling, battng and fielding basically. If there is a player who has sachin's batting skills/wasims bowling skills/jontyrhodes fielding skills, hit me! ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 10:35pm
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Monty?
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 10:38pm
what about monty, mate?  ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 10:41pm
Thats Monty ------------- [ |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 8:20am
| Sachin with the bat, Wasim with the ball, but I'd have to say that Sachin's probably the better of the 2, nearly 40 ODI centuries is simply incredible. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 8:55am
Okay mate
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Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 9:52am
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Read it in that aussie cricket magazine about Bevan taking a matchwinning 10 for agianst what from I could remember the proteas but the last time I read it was about 10 months ago bad memory. ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 12:34pm
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Lance Klusener is Zulu because he is from the tribe Kwa-Zulu-Natal i think . ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 2:36pm
Nope. He can fluently speak the Zulu language. It is a group of languages used by Bushmen tribes and its derivatives in Eastern South Africa if I am not mistaken. Sledge, you could tell us bit more about it? ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 7:37pm
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lets all go to the congo jungle and have a cricket ritual call kwa cri kaw! ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |